Re: [OSList] Empowerment barometer?

Fascinating, Jeff. Would be very interesting to hear other perspectives from people who were there. >From the "outside" and in hindsight, it seems to highlight the difficulty of creating hybrid forms of old and new. I imagine it would have been VERY different if the whole conference had been held

Re: [OSList] Empowerment barometer?

wide Open Space Technology email list Subject: Empowerment barometer? Charles Eisenstein shares a long reflection on the recent New Story Summit conference. With (it seems) a few days of speakers and two days of Open Space, they danced on the edge of chaos and illuminated for him the reasons th

[OSList] Empowerment barometer?

Charles Eisenstein shares a long reflection on the recent New Story Summit conference. With (it seems) a few days of speakers and two days of Open Space, they danced on the edge of chaos and illuminated for him the reasons that we don't go over that edge in this time of our species. Curious you

Re: Civic Empowerment in Haiti - grant from USAID

Wonderful news, John! I so appreciate how your spirit of generosity and considerable skill has touched Haiti and all of us. Christine Christine Whitney Sanchez CWS - Collaborative Wisdom & Strategy 2717 E. Mountain Sky Avenue Phoenix, AZ 85048, USA +1.480.759.0262 www.christinewhitneysanchez.

Re: Civic Empowerment in Haiti - grant from USAID

Kudos to you, John. Denise On Oct 24, 2010, at 6:05 AM, John Engle wrote: Hi OSLIST friends, We've been granted by USAID about $80K to have 1,000 Port au Prince educators go through our Circles of Change abbreviated 3-month program, which includes 40 groups of 25 participants each, plannin

Civic Empowerment in Haiti - grant from USAID

Hi OSLIST friends, We've been granted by USAID about $80K to have 1,000 Port au Prince educators go through our Circles of Change abbreviated 3-month program, which includes 40 groups of 25 participants each, planning and realizing 2-3 open space meetings over a three month period. It also incl

Re: An opportunity to ride wave: a Certificate (An Empowerment) to Open Life

Certification as a user request for Empowerment for trying the new. And I trust the Certification Program will help remove barriers (especially in Asian ethos and mythos) to encourage Wave-riders to try Open Space at their hardwired workplace. The certification and WR book will serve as formal

Re: Youth Empowerment Open Space Conference (revised)

Hello, all - Ann said: Would be happy to collaborate or carry Lisa Hefts' bags... It's all those hats and tiaras and such that make them so heavy. .or do you mean the bags under my eyes.? Oh. Either way, I could use the help;o) ..or should I say

Re: Fw: Youth Empowerment Open Space Conference (revised)

helps! Grace Williams 269.383.3472 - Original Message - From: Grace Williams To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 1:32 AM Subject: Youth Empowerment Open Space Conference I'm planning a one-day open space for youth to create a "Call to Action&quo

Re: Youth Empowerment Open Space Conference (revised)

06 6:39 AM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Fw: Youth Empowerment Open Space Conference (revised) Sorry, I neglected to inform you of the location of the meeting and I had the wrong monthtoo early in the morning. The conference is scheduled for April 22, 2006 in Kalamazoo, MI. The

Fw: Youth Empowerment Open Space Conference (revised)

Message - From: Grace Williams To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 1:32 AM Subject: Youth Empowerment Open Space Conference I'm planning a one-day open space for youth to create a "Call to Action" to the community. I'm interested in hea

Re: Youth Empowerment Open Space Conference (revised)

Hi, Grace - Welcome to the morning ;o) I am interested in facilitating with or for you and I'm happy to provide you with more information on my experience with Open Space and specifically with young people (and with mixed groups of young people and adults). If you've the budget for faci

Re: Youth Empowerment Open Space Conference

.edu Subject: Youth Empowerment Open Space Conference I'm planning a one-day open space for youth to create a "Call to Action" to the community. I'm interested in hearing from others who have worked with youth using open space and individuals who may be interested in c

Youth Empowerment Open Space Conference

I'm planning a one-day open space for youth to create a "Call to Action" to the community. I'm interested in hearing from others who have worked with youth using open space and individuals who may be interested in co-facilitating on March 22, 2006. * * =

power-empowerment

The most powerful men i saw were the men living and working with their "Riksa" in India. They are very thin, yet they are able to do such a difficult transportation job all day with physical power. Then they live and sleep outside at every wheather conditions. I wonder if they have a family? or

Re: Empowerment, Self-Organization an d Open Space

r) website www.openspaceworld.com - Original Message - From: Judi Richardson To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:49 PM Subject: Re: Empowerment, Self-Organization an d Open Space Harrison - great thoughts on OS and Education -- and definite i

Re: Empowerment, Self-Organization an d Open Space

Harrison - great thoughts on OS and Education -- and definite interest in empowerment. As many here know it has been a passion of mine -- and I really believe and have evidence that the time is here for the system opening up. Michael H, Chris C., Julie and I had great fun playing in OST in a

Empowerment, Self-Organization an d Open Space

Somehow or anotherI allowed myself to become involved in an electronic forum on Empowerment. Having followed it for several days I have become convinced the the organizer already knows what he thinks empowerment might be and is not terribly interested in alternate visions or versions. But

Empowerment

To our good friends-- The conversation with Chris Corrigan on empowerment is on and already heating up. http://www.footprintsinthewind.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=GatheringP lac e&Number=4215&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&fpart=&vc=1 You are invited to j

Myths of Empowerment

exploration and interview grows out of our discussion on the oslist about decolonization, de-schooling, and such. What are the myths of empowerment? Chris has suggested: 1. that one can be empowered by others; 2. that constraints are disempowering; and 3. that only special people are empowered. I

Re: Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such)

2003 6:32 AM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such) Yes Bernd, my point was that the Wright brothers, having fully understood the givens, figured out how to fly. I recently read that only weeks before they did this, the New York Times pu

Re: Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such)

s. But I believe that the hardest givens to overcome are the ones that aren't even real: the stories we tell ourselves about why we can't do things. In that case, empowerment finally comes when one sees that the stories are simply stories, and not reality at all. To put it on a bumper s

Re: Givens (was: Already-there ness, Empowerment and Such)

m > -Original Message- > From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Chris > Corrigan > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 10:14 AM > To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu > Subject: Re: Givens (was: Already-there ness, Empowerment and Such) > > That

Re: Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such)

ay, March 02, 2003 9:21 AM > To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu > Subject: Re: Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such) > > hi chris, hi bernd, > > bernd, you're questions reminded me of a conversation i had with chris > about > katie byrons work; i don't

Re: Givens (was: Already-there ness, Empowerment and Such)

chriscorrigan.com ch...@chriscorrigan.com > -Original Message- > From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of WB- > TrainingConsultingDevelopment > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 6:15 AM > To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu > Subject: Re: Givens (was: A

Re: Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such)

nday, March 02, 2003 4:02 AM Subject: Re: Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such) Thanks you Chris very enligthening conversation. It inspires me to more often ask some serious questions when meeting Mr Given... - are you real ? - do you, Mister Given have natural meaning or a

Re: Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such)

From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu]On Behalf Of Chris Corrigan Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 6:32 AM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such) Yes Bernd, my point was that the Wright brothers, having fully understood the g

Re: Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such)

or in groups to figure out solutions that include and transcend the givens. But I believe that the hardest givens to overcome are the ones that aren't even real: the stories we tell ourselves about why we can't do things. In that case, empowerment finally comes when one sees that the storie

Fwd: Re: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such ....

I have already forwarded to you shows (to me- at least), that the ongoing 'decolonisation- selforganization-spirit- anarchy-empowerment ...' discussion is related to conflict management in the sense of conflict transformation. He deals with the aspect of grief because something dies duri

Re: Re (long): [OSLIST] Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such

Dear E-group I really do love this thread and this emerging collective intelligence. Wow! Givens are given facts are made (lat.) I agree with Artur here The problem is -once again - a problem of relationship between using the map and voyaging the territory The word 'facts' has changed its sens

Re: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such (this is a really long reply...omigod it's a thesis)

Hi everybody again, The problem with quantum theory, dark matter... when applied to other 'facts' ;-) better: contexts e.g. of live, communication or even sprit: We have to look very closely where we use it as metaphor as heuristic instrument to get new and creative points of view on what we disc

Re: Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such)

Has nothing to do with open space, just a note for science-metaphor using freeks: Chris, I like your argument but your example is only good in the sense of a metapher. f you look at the real history of technology, the Wright- brothers' (and other genial technical engeneer's) approa

Re: Fwd: Re: [OSLIST] Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such)

Artur, I do not think it is minor at least not from the (my) point of view of a consultant for living organizations and their members. Because the SOLUTION SPACES which your client will explore (sometimes on your advise) will have to be quite different ones if we are dealing with "things we know

Re: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such (this is a really long reply...omigod it's a thesis)

Bernd-- I always appreciate the deep discernment which you bring to a discussion! Thanks for the reminder that metaphors from one field to another are evocative, not causal. They may lead us in valuable new directions, but cannot be givens. Did I hear you accurately? You wrote: << In that last

Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such)

Thanks, Michael. :-Doug. * * == osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu -- To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu, Visit: http://l

Re: Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such)

Michael, I very much like what you've written here... brings together our work with story and OST at Avalon. Best, glory Michael Herman wrote: there's a book out now by howard gardner. visionary leaders is the focus. haven't read it but have heard much about it from a friend. he says, among o

Re: Empowerment and other matters ( reply from birgitt)

in the room have and can access the wisdom that is needed. > > Thanks for asking, Shay, > Birgitt > > -Original Message- > From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu]On Behalf Of Seamus > McInerney > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 3:52 PM > To: osl...@listserv

Re: Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such)

there's a book out now by howard gardner. visionary leaders is the focus. haven't read it but have heard much about it from a friend. he says, among other things, that visionary leaders tell stories of identity. stories of who we are, stories like those we invite when from our clients and ask th

Re: Empowerment and other matters ( reply from birgitt)

estate.edu]On Behalf Of Seamus McInerney Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 3:52 PM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: Empowerment and other matters ( reply from birgitt) Hi Brigitt, I recognise what you have said about empowerment (1) and (2) but can you expand a little on stage 3, retenti

Re: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such (this is a really long reply...omigod it's a thesis)

Chris-- I promised I would come back for another look at your profound thoughts on this--and all I can say is "Wow!" I like your comments on invitation, collapsing the wave function, mapping and orientation. << And yet, how to account for the fact that Elders sit in Open Space events and after a

Re: Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such)

mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu]On Behalf Of Larry Peterson Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 5:32 PM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such) I have come to see "givens" as what is to be "taken as given" for the purposes

Re: Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such)

I have come to see "givens" as what is to be "taken as given" for the purposes of the event at hand. (I was around when Birgitt first applied the concept at Wesley Urban Ministries in relation to Open Space, but I agree with Michael that it has been around for a while.) Post-modern philosophy hat

Re: Empowerment and other matters ( reply from birgitt)

Hi Brigitt, I recognise what you have said about empowerment (1) and (2) but can you expand a little on stage 3, retention of memory. In anticipation, Shay OSLIST wrote: > > Dear friends who are following this thread on empowerment, > I have learned that there are three modes of em

Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such)

Michael and Birgitt-- Could you both say a little more about "where the bridge touches the ground?" :-Doug. Germann * * == osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu -- To subscribe, unsubscribe

Re: Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such)

lly are and > to get particularly a management team to agree on them is very healing. > > Your way of "forms" may well get at the same thing. > Birgitt > > -Original Message----- > From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu]On Behalf Of Michael > Herman &

Re: Empowerment and other matters (Short!!)Update on the 2.5 day Open Space with the Katzie First Nation

ulie Smith Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 6:10 PM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: Empowerment and other matters (Short!!)Update on the 2.5 day Open Space with the Katzie First Nation Birgitt, Although I don't use the term empowerment in the same way that you do, I appreci

Re: Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such)

:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu]On Behalf Of Michael Herman Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 4:44 PM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such) welcome back, birgitt... yes you've been here lurking and sometimes posting all along, but

Re: Empowerment and other matters (Short!!)Update on the 2.5 day Open Space with the Katzie First Nation

dissolved too. m Julie Smith wrote: > Birgitt, > > Although I don't use the term empowerment in the same way that you do, I > appreciate the insight that OST may not help participants detach from > outcome. Interesting that this important value we apply to ourselves we &

Re: Empowerment and other matters (Short!!)Update on the 2.5 day Open Space with the Katzie First Nation

Dear friends who are following this thread on empowerment, I have learned that there are three modes of empowerment. The first mode of empowerment is to achieve detachment from outcome. The second is to embody personal force and power, knowing that each of us within us holds the key to create

Re: Empowerment and other matters (Short!!)Update on the 2.5 day Open Space with the Katzie First Nation

Birgitt, Although I don't use the term empowerment in the same way that you do, I appreciate the insight that OST may not help participants detach from outcome. Interesting that this important value we apply to ourselves we rarely consider for participants. I suppose if we were Buddhist,

Re: Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such)

Artur-- Well, I agree with you. In thinking about this event, I remembered that I had encouraged the leadership team to share more information in their invitation to the OS. And on the evening before, I asked the director if she wanted to review the situation in the opening. But I did not ask t

Re: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such (this is a really long reply...omigod it's a thesis)

Chris-- It's never been bad news to hear from you! And great to have some thoughtful people taking on big issues. Joelle * * == osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu -- To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, v

Re: Fwd: Re: [OSLIST] Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such)

Dear Michael: At 17:10 19-02-2003 +0100, you wrote: My word for givens is "Rahmenbedingungen" and I propose we all use this word to really impress our sponsors and clients. It translates something like "conditions that set the frame". Very impressive. Next time we meet face to face you have t

Re: Fwd: Re: [OSLIST] Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such)

Dear Artur, if gravity is a "given" all you need to do is to have the space in outer space. My word for givens is "Rahmenbedingungen" and I propose we all use this word to really impress our sponsors and clients. It translates something like "conditions that set the frame". Everybody here knows, th

Re: Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such)

Dear Artur, here is the story on the follow up meeting (my present practice). 1. The date for the follow up meeting, including beginning and ending time and the location are set by the planning group even before the invitation for the os is distributed. 2. The information under 1. is included promi

Re: Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such)

welcome back, birgitt... yes you've been here lurking and sometimes posting all along, but you feel more here than what has been usual for some time, so am glad for that! the notion of givens has been very helpful and also limiting for me over the years. i like the notion of degrees of freedom, b

Re: opening space...empowerment and motivation

corrigan said: eeds, I ask the two immortal questions introduced to me by Michael Herman: “What do you really want to do?” and “Fine, why don’t you take care of it?” time to re-read the user's guide, chris... i talk about this a lot, but it comes from my initial reading and notetaking in advance

Re: Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such)

Hello Birgitt At 21:02 18-02-2003 -0500, Birgitt Williams wrote: Arthur, Sorry to begin with this, but may I ask that you spell my name as "Artur". My ancestors have been romanized many centuries ago, and I wouldn't like be "anglicized" (or "americanized") now... I accept responsibility for

Re: Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such)

At 12:20 19-02-2003 +0100, Pannwitz, Michael M wrote: In my practice I charge a flat fee for facilitating an os-event. It includes the planning sessions, setting up the room etc., being the facilitator and conducting a followup meeting. If the client does not want the follow up, still the same f

Re: Fwd: Re: [OSLIST] Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such)

Dear Chris: - Mensagem Reenviada de Chris Corrigan So I think that givens are useful as long as they are well understood and true. And what empowerment is all about is including them and transcending them and evolving to a higher form of being. I know that you and other collegues do

Re: opening space...empowerment and motivation

duate student studying counseling (in route to play therapy). in our introductory course we must choose one theory that "defines" our style (that in itself is a little bit scary for me - why can't i use the good parts of them all!!). these discussions of motivation and empowerment

Re: Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such)

Dear Birgitt, decades before I ever heard of open space (now knowing it was always there) it was part of my basic OD-craftsmanship to deal with the givens in the sense that I encouraged the client to pay attention to them which often meant putting them on the table for the first time for everyone t

Re: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such (this is a really long reply...omigod it's a thesis)

At 10:18 19-02-2003 +, Chris Corrigan wrote: I can t resist throwing out this bone: http://chronicle.com/free/v49/i23/23b00701.htm Thank you, Chris. Very interesting. In the 40's it was Bertalanffy's "General Systems Theory"; later French

Re: Empowerment and other matters (Short!!)Update on the 2.5 day Open Space with the Katzie First Nation

For Chris Corrigan and other friends: I have two - or so - insights to add, perhaps. 1. Warren Bennis once talked to me about empowerment as "a licence to kill" - which I found shattering a couple of years ago. But I don't find it so now, because I have seen that very i

Re: Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such)

al Message- From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu]On Behalf Of Artur Ferreira da Silva Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:17 AM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such) Hello Birgitt At 21:02 18-02-2003 -0500, Birgit

Re: Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such)

-Original Message- From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu]On Behalf Of Artur Ferreira da Silva Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 3:13 PM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such) Hello dear Joelle Thank you for your marvelo

Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such)

the "givens" were not stated by the manager in the first place. And in "what we know about this" what is most interesting is the word "we" and not "what she (the manager) knows or thinks she knows". Collective empowerment this time. So in the list of "on

Re: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such

Dear Harrison, As you know, some years ago I developed the Genuine Contact program as a vehicle to assist leaders, consultants, and others who care about organizations to learn how to develop as a conscious Open Space Organization. The word "conscious" is very important. Just as yoga and meditation

opening space...empowerment and motivation

am a beginning graduate student studying counseling (in route to play therapy).  in our introductory course we must choose one theory that "defines" our style (that in itself is a little bit scary for me - why can't i use the good parts of them all!!).  these discussions of motivation and

Re: opening space...empowerment and motivation

ons without residual feelings of "I should do this." then I can't truly sit in the quiet, inviting place that is necessary for empowerment to happen around me and without me. The moment I think I can do things better, especially when it comes to meeting someone else's stated n

Re: opening space...empowerment and motivation

state.edu Subject: opening space...empowerment and motivation amongst these amazing discussions presently taking place on this list (for which i deeply borrow and say the word john introduced, meegwetch.), i would like to ask anyone's opinion on a present struggle of my own. my question is

Re: Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such)

> > How can we open the space if we previously asked the sponsor to close the > space, by "giving" the "givens"? How can we later facilitate empowerment > if > we are helping the manager to disempower the people in the first place? > Artur, I reall

Re: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such (this is a really long reply...omigod it's a thesis)

Chris-- Thesis, indeed. I'm finding much to ponder in your thoughts! Especially thanks for the notes on quantum wave theory in OS! No more writing time today, as I have a five-year-old visitor demanding my attention. But you may hear from me later re: some of these thoughts. Joelle * * =

Re: Re (long): [OSLIST] Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such

Artur-- Great to hear your voice again. Many good things to think about in your posts, but I'd just like to respond to you just about the question of who gives the "givens." In a recent Open Space I facilitated, the director did not give a very clear description of the organization's situation i

Re (long): [OSLIST] Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such

developments of a mature Harrison. I suspect that I agree more with the younger Harrison. But maybe in 12 years I will be able to understand the new truth ;-) Until than I would also prefer not to use words like "invitation" (who invites?) or "givens" (who gives the givens? we cr

Re: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such (this is a really long reply...omigod it's a thesis)

Island, BC, Canada http://www.chriscorrigan.com ch...@chriscorrigan.com -Original Message- From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Harrison Owen Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 1:37 PM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Suc

Re: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such (this is a really long reply...omigod it's a thesis)

Hello my bioregional friend: > Thesis, indeed. I'm finding much to ponder in your thoughts! Especially > thanks for the notes on quantum wave theory in OS! > > No more writing time today, as I have a five-year-old visitor demanding > my > attention. But you may hear from me later re: some

Re: Re (long): [OSLIST] Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such

At 12:21 PM 2/18/2003 +, Artur wrote: I know that there are some people that don't agree with your new "self-organizing" ideas. I suspect that they see a contradiction between those ideas and a "guiding force" that controls everything, or something like that. But I do agree that self-organiz

Empowerment

Food for Reflection: The first use that I know of, of the term and concept of empowerment, was in 1968 by Rev. Leonard Campos, who referred to it as creating a process (space?) in which a person or group of persons are able to develop their own power. Somewhere along the line it got changed

Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such

Harrison-- What comes to my mind reading your report on self-organizing systems and order for free and gravity, is the little thing we have been reading about the last week or so. Something called Dark Energy. It is said to make up 73% of the universe and is the force that is causing the universe

Re: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such (this is a really long reply...omigod it's a thesis)

At 10:26 AM 2/17/2003 -0800, Chris wrote: This idea of grief work as a fundamental tool is interesting too. I see what you are saying Harrison, but something feels to me like that s only part of the answer. When I work with the grief cycle, the thing that people respond to is the map. They ca

Re: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such

On 2/17/03 10:40 AM, "Harrison Owen" wrote: > the next time a client asks, "Does Open Space always work?" -- we might > answer, "Truthfully we don't really know, but it seems to have done pretty > well for the past 13.7 billion years." I am not sure that I would recommend > this approach, unless

Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such

One of the great things about OSLIST is the way conversations start at multiple points and then ebb and flow to form a common theme. Not unlike what happens in Open Space (because it is Open Space, I guess) this phenomenon appears to be but one more example of what we have been talking about. Eme

Re: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such (this is a really long reply...omigod it's a thesis)

en Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 7:41 AM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such One of the great things about OSLIST is the way conversations start at multiple points and then ebb and flow to form a common theme. Not unlike what happens in Open Space (bec

Re: More on Empowerment - Moderation and Languages

Naomi Kahane wrote: > Chris - A favourite quote comes to mind as I read your posting about > unschooling: > > > If you want to build a ship, don't drum up "people" to gather wood, divide > > the > > work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless > > sea. > >

Re: More on Empowerment - Moderation and Languages

On 6/3/02 8:49 AM, "Chris Corrigan" wrote: > Artur Ferreira da Silva wrote: > >> I think that one must understand the 3 levels to understand one of them, as >> there are similarities (and other relations) between them. >> >> The other point I concluded is that, in all three levels, to learn new >

Re: More on Empowerment - Moderation and Languages

Artur Ferreira da Silva wrote: > I think that one must understand the 3 levels to understand one of them, as > there are similarities (and other relations) between them. > > The other point I concluded is that, in all three levels, to learn new > attitudes is to transform the old "reality" (one of

Re: More on Empowerment - Moderation and Languages

At 23:45 31-05-2002 +0100, Winfried Ursin wrote: I love this empowerment thread, especially the 'skipping spacer' (may be a good jobtitle?), as I am currently thinking what happens in organisations before they embrace new tools, language, attitudes,... Hummm. That is the problem I

Re: More on Empowerment - Moderation and Languages

In a message dated 6/1/02 6:29:53 AM, artsi...@mail.eunet.pt writes: << And you are right it is not only language. But body-language is also a "language", isn't it? And probably an even more profound language that the one people "speak". And I wonder if "culture" is not a meta-language... So you

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Hi all, I love this empowerment thread, especially the 'skipping spacer' (may be a good jobtitle?), as I am currently thinking what happens in organisations before they embrace new tools, language, attitudes,... Another question for me is how could one go about creating global spa

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On Thursday 30 May 2002 00:15, Artur wrote: > After all how can I show respect for the other if I am imposing > him (or them, as in international mediation) my language? Would say, this has been one of the greatest challenges of mankind - and is still. There are no receipts. There are only "soft

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On Wed, 29 May 2002 23:15:55 +0100, Artur Ferreira da Silva wrote:   My point was preciselly that one must understand the differences between languages. And that we all are prisioners of what our native language allows us (or condemns us) to think. And that someone that only knows one language ha

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At 22:13 29-05-2002 +0200, Nino Novak wrote: certainly you were right - in so far as French people can never _completely_ understand the world in the way you (or the Portuguese) do. But, if I may ask so - why should they? The french way of understanding the world leads them to different attitude

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On Wednesday 29 May 2002 11:49, you wrote: > Now the point is: when I was a little 10 years old kid, and was learning > French I came to the following conclusion: "French people can never > understand the world, as in their language they never make a verbal > distinction between what is essential

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tar doesn't reflect directly in the language has anything to do with the fact that many Englishmen still assume that, as they once dominated the world (estar), they are still (ser) an Empire? Can't the same distinction be useful for Americans if they want to understand their future? Etc. In

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EMPOWERMENT 1) Who Can Empower You ? 2) Who Can You Empower ? 3) Who Can Disempower You ? 4) Who Can You Disempower ? 5) Who Can't Empower You ? 6) Who Can't You Empower ? 7) Who Can't Disempower You ? 8) Who Can't You Disempower ? The power of a question. Ta

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On Tue, 28 May 2002 11:58:33 -0700, Chris Corrigan wrote: Don Ferretti wrote: > I missed a lot of the 'empowerment" conversation so I'm not sure how relevant this comment is. I assume the moderator will screen it. I had to laugh..we don't have a moderator that screens post

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so easy to fall back continuing the traditional way of thinking, feeling, communicating about gender-issues. So many feministic humans think, the point is so crucial, that the words they use, must reflect the power-struggle, not hide it. So the question is: is the discussion of what empowerment is and

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Don Ferretti wrote: > I missed a lot of the 'empowerment" conversation so I'm not sure how relevant > this comment is. I assume the moderator will screen it. I had to laugh..we don't have a moderator that screens postings here for relevance. You are empower

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I missed a lot of the 'empowerment" conversation so I'm not sure how relevant this comment is. I assume the moderator will screen it. But, at one time I could not stand the word or the concept of empowerment. I thought it was patronizing, condescending and generally came from a

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