Hi--
Peggy Holman's Change Handbook has a description of Conversation Cafés,
which raises the question: why would it be good for the facilitator to
take part in the conversation? What would be the advantages of taking
part?
After all, it appears that the host in Conversation Cafés does take
part,
Dear all,
Thank you Doug for starting this conversation. And thank you to all who have
contributed.
And I am especially grateful for your words, Mark, to this exchange. I, too,
have difficulty with the word "facilitator" and you have expressed very
clearly what is in my mind and heart and taken i
Hi Doug...
There are levels of hosting and facilitating in these processes. In
Conversation Cafes, World Cafes and Open Space meetings there are
facilitators who are responsible for the overall space and there are hosts
within the space that take responsibility for the conversations. In OST we
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Corrigan
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Subject: Re: Facilitator must be part of the conversations
Hi Doug...
There are levels of hosting and facilitating in these processes. In
Conversation Cafes
Doug,
If the facilitator is part of the system, such as at an OSonOS or at
a professional association meeting, I think there can be value in
participating. I've seen this happen many times, and I think it
depends on the situation.
At its best, facilitator participation is a way of modelin
tion..
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> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:01:49 -0400> From: 76066....@compuserve.com>
> Subject: Facilitator must be part of the conversations> To:
> osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu> > Hi--> > Peggy Holman's Change Handbook has
> a description of Conver
Thanks for the question Dougand my comments would be similar to
Chris' response
a contextual solution, linking purpose to placeraising a further question:
Who holds the space when you don't?
In a facilitator co-learning program recently, we talked a great deal
about this
when t
Chris, Harrison, Gabriel, can, Brendan and all--
Chris, so it's kind of a Russian dolls theory of hosting, is it?
(I kind of like the metaphor.)
Brendan and Gabriel have pointed up a key question it seems to me:
trust, being clear when you are stepping from role to role, and risk.
These seem to
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>
> Hi Doug...
>
> There are levels of hosting and facilitating in these pr
Doug
I agree with Elwin.
The theme is owned by the sponsor and participants. It is not the
facilitator's theme.
Why then should s/he interfere in the process by adding their two cents?
The facilitator's role is to open and hold space, no thing more.
Regards
Kerry
Edinburgh
www.openfutures
Doug,
I'm a theatre director and over the last three years I've facilitated
some exciting open space events about theatre. I wrote the
invitations, I facilitated and I sometimes joined in discussions and
sometimes didn't. It changes but they are all possible.
Phelimx
On 31 Jul 2007, at 0
On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 08:21 +0100, kerry napuk wrote:
> Why then should s/he interfere
Kerry--
Perhaps it is not interfering. Martin Buber says we must not only hear
the other, but face him or her with our whole, real self. To be present
may demand our presence
The observer is always part of
Hi all--
The difficulty may be that we see ourselves as influencing, actually
over-influencing, the results, for we might not be there to help with
the implementation of what we have influenced. Our passion and our
responsibility will separate from the group after the event; the group
will be left
Hello, all, and thanks for this conversation --
Personally, it is very important for me to be aware of the inherent power
dynamic I carry with me. Whether I see myself as this or not, others can
often see me (the facilitator) as the expert, the person who knows so
much, the person who has wide ex
4 Participants - The Leadership Team for our highly productive 130 agent
Real estate office
2 days (3 hours each day)
20 Issues posted
I was the facilitator and (against all odds) was a frequent contributor.
It worked . . .
We emerged with a vision, MANY actionable items, and just as many it
Lisa is so articulate, that she has given us a wonderful starting point.
Thank you Lisa! Here is some of what Lisa said, kind of a found poem:
...inherent power dynamic
...To be a clean and clear holder of space so that they can do their
best work.
...I try to be aware of my body language
...it is
With love
Alan
- Original Message -
From: "Lisa Heft"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 4:21 AM
Subject: Re: Facilitator must be part of the conversations
Hello, all, and thanks for this conversation --
Personally, it is very important for me to be aware of the inhe
--- douglas germann <76066@compuserve.com> wrote:
> Lisa is so articulate, that she has given us a wonderful starting
> point.
WHAT A WONDERFUL UNDERSTATEMENT!
> All of which raises the question, what is behind this? What are the
> assumptions that lead us all to say things like this (I h
> > All of which raises the question, what is behind this? What are the
> > assumptions that lead us all to say things like this (I have said
> > them, too, and often)? What is beneath the surface of these waters?
>
> SIMPLY LIFE'S ESSENTIAL: SPIRIT!
Elwin--
Please say more
Barry-
Congratulations!! What a testament to OST.
As to the facilitator/participant question, it seems to me the answer
is CRITICAL STAKEHOLDER who also just happens to know how to get
things started i.e., opening space.
eg
--- Barry Owen wrote:
> 4 Participants - The Leadership Team for our
Lisa, your words are as always wise. They remind me of some of the many rich
dynamics of opening space, along the two dimensions of what we're willing
and able to be/do and what the group wants us to be/do. What do we owe the
group and to ourselves? The integrity of transparency - letting people kn
Douglas,
Oh Boy! What a challenge particularly when Harrison has articulated
the meaning, power and critical importance of Spirit (always
capitalized) in his many writings.
Heres Elwins cryptic take on Spirit:
Its that something inside that not all possess that allows those
who do to stand i
Indeed wonderful words! Really appreciated.
In addition to serving the group, I additionally felt I should serve
the sponsor. I have managed several times to convince a sponsor to
try doing an OST against all his doubts and objections. I have
advised him to trust the process as I myself am
Dear all -
Jack's and Marc's comments make me think that our holding space for the
group - for both the client and the participants - is the embodiment of
trust. We breathe, we believe, we trust the people and the process, we
are always there (in physical presence and or in Harrison's case at ti
Thanks, Elwin!
Can we then trust ourselves?
:- Doug
On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 20:45 -0700, Elwin and Joan wrote:
> Douglas,
>
> Oh Boy! What a challenge particularly when Harrison has articulated
> the meaning, power and critical importance of Spirit (always
> capitalized)
Lisa and all--
Yes! Yes. There is value in being the witness. We are inside the system,
a part of what is going on. Whether we touch or withhold our touch, we
are touching.
In a trial, each witness plays a crucial part. Each not only observes
but speaks her or his truth. Each affects the verdict.
mark.r.jo...@sunyata.ws
--
From: Lisa Heft
Reply-To: OSLIST
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 10:06:27 -0400
To:
Subject: Re: Facilitator must be part of the conversations
Dear all -
Jack's and Marc's comments make me think that our hold
uot;integration without
> differentiation".
>
> So while "hosting", I continually challenge myself to hold a view of
> system "wholeness"
> that includes every aspect of what I can sense and imagine regarding --
> (1) Consciousness (Self-Awareness)
> (2) Whole-Person (physical | emotional | intellectual | consciousness)
> (3) Whole-System (al
Chris and all--
Fields work...
Hosting...
living in open space...
You seem to have these evocative phrases swimming about you, Chris.
Would you be so kind as to wax a little more poetic about them, put some
more meat on the bones? They are, I think, getting to the heart of the
question that start
Doug wrote:
Chris and all--
Fields work...
Hosting...
living in open space...
You seem to have these evocative phrases swimming about you, Chris.
Would you be so kind as to wax a little more poetic about them, put some
more meat on the bones? They are, I think, getting to the heart of the
questi
Chris--
On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 12:55 -0700, Chris Corrigan wrote:
> Hosting has to do with all of the capacities we use when we engage
> with clients around an open space. Some of these might include:
>
> * Seeing and sensing patterns in the organization that help to
> find "accu
Doug,
Let me play Chris for a minute. Here are my replies (ALL CAPS) to
your questions:
* Seeing and sensing patterns in the organization that help to find
"accupuncture points" for change,
Q- How do you do that unless you are immersed, somehow, (how?) in the
conversations?
FOR ME THIS IS ESSEN
First thanks to Elwin for stepping into my skin. Good points.
On 8/2/07, douglas germann <76066@compuserve.com> wrote:
>
> Chris--
>
> On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 12:55 -0700, Chris Corrigan wrote:
>
> Hosting has to do with all of the capacities we use when we engage with
> clients around an ope
Hi Doug and all, thank you very much for the conversation. it smells spirit
:-))
the nature of our self seem to be about silence rather than thought, and
silence is not the background of our lives, it's the foreground. We are
actual, we do some things and we have some sense of self, yes
Can--
Thanks for carrying this conversation deeper!
On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 11:02 +, can uludag wrote:
> the nature of our self seem to be about silence rather than thought,
> and silence is not the background of our lives, it's the foreground.
That's taking me new places, Can. Would you say
Elwin as Chris and yourself--
Thank you for giving more details to help me understand. :)
What I am seeing in replies of various people is that they are coming
from what they have experienced in their lives. Of course, where else
would they approach from? From imagination, is one direction
L
ds space which may be beyond our conscious
awareness and knowing - as Lisa, Mark and others refer to - these may be taken
into account through the manner of being of people who dwell in open space.
Does this have a bearing on 'The facilitator must be part of the
conversations'? :-)
5 Aug 2007 19:34:24 -0400> From: 76066@compuserve.com>
> Subject: Re: Facilitator must be part of the conversations> To:
> osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu> > Can--> > Thanks for carrying this
> conversation deeper!> > > > On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 11:02 +, ca
Alan--
Thanks for this twist on the subject, Alan! Open Space as Opera as Open
Space!
I like this phrase, changed as you suggest:
"That's what's so liberating about open space, because nobody
can do it alone. The soprano is dependent on the oboe player,
who is dependent o
Can--
What a powerful pair of stories, Can! Thank you for telling us. These
were perhaps life living you, and new way to understand Whatever
happens...: as something that (continues to) happen without regard to
the passage of time. Not sure if that makes sense, but your "will be
with me all the ti
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