Re: [ozmidwifery] hurtful birth experiences

2002-11-13 Thread rem & melissa bruijn
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] hurtful birth experiences Judy - I am so sorry that you received no validation for your experience.  The comments re. having a healthy baby can be so hurtful.  I found they added guilt and self-doubt to the horrible way I was feeling. ie "How can it be that I am not happ

Re: [ozmidwifery] what to say to traumatised woman WAS hurtful birth experiences

2002-11-13 Thread rem & melissa bruijn
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] what to say to traumatised woman WAS hurtful birth experiences For anyone who is interested, there is a great list on Victorious Birth.com of "what to say to someone who has had a traumatic c/sec".  The direct link is :  http://www.victoriousbirth.com/whatdoyousay...ht

[ozmidwifery] Woman

2002-11-13 Thread Pinky McKay
Hi, This arrived tonight - aint it true!! Have been to a doctor with hubby this am, afuneral with Jono (son) this afternoon and to Sarahs' photography exhibition opening thsi evening - I worked til 2am this morning/ last night to manage this and was still phoned and asked to "urgently"  wri

Re: [ozmidwifery] hurtful birth experiences

2002-11-13 Thread Aviva Sheb'a
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] hurtful birth experiences it's tragic that this is typical of rapees too. I think we ought to celebrate every woman who makes the steps to even begin to heal; and let's celebrate every step along the way. love to you all, aviva - Original Message - From: rem &

[ozmidwifery] What Doctors learn at med school

2002-11-13 Thread Lois Wattis
Robyn, your response is so articulate and accurate.  I think it should be adapted to a "letters to the editor" type form and submitted to mainstream and professional printed media for publication.  I agree entirely with your views -  WELL SAID.  You have described the situation just as I se

[ozmidwifery] sample letter re NMAP

2002-11-13 Thread Jayne
Would someone care to provide a sample letter that I can get some ideas from regarding NMAP.  I want to send some off to my local pollies.  I have their snail mail and email addresses.  Should I snail mail the letters or both?   Thanks   Jayne  

[ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Social use of Ultrasound in Pregnancy

2002-11-13 Thread Sally Westbury
My hesitation around ultrasound is that no-one can produce research to prove that this is a safe thing to do. Until this is clarified I remain one who will advocate the use of ultrasound for clinical indications only rather than as a routine intervention. Sally Westbury -Original Message

Re: [ozmidwifery] sample letter re NMAP

2002-11-13 Thread Denise Hynd
Dear jayn Snail mail is still seen by some as more meaningful as measured in time etc Are you writing to state or fedral MP or both?If sate which state?Because you more you target the beter but you could send the same lteter to both but need ensure it does apply to bith. Denise - Orig

[ozmidwifery] Social use of Ultrasound in Pregnancy

2002-11-13 Thread Aviva Sheb'a
BINGO!!! Well said, Sally. Aviva - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 8:57 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Social use of Ultrasound in Pregnancy My hesitation around ultrasound is that no-one can produce researc

Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Social use of Ultrasound in Pregnancy

2002-11-13 Thread Marilyn Kleidon
Just a couple of 2 cents on this. I think it is sad that people think this makes the pregnancy real or more real, surely by 20weeks there are other more real signs that signal this. On the other side these are computer generated images: some very clever person wrote a program that puts together all

[ozmidwifery] CinderellaRockafella

2002-11-13 Thread Denise Hynd
Cinderella was now 75 years old. After a fulfilling life with the now departed Prince, she happily sat in her rocking chair watching the world go by with her cat Alan. One afternoon, out of nowhere, appeared her Fairy Godmother. Cinderella said, "Fairy Godmother, what are you doing here af

[ozmidwifery] Angela Pridham and Robyn Skewes contact?

2002-11-13 Thread Denise Hynd
Dear Oz listers Are midwives  Angela Pridham (Shoalhaven) or Robyn Skewes (new England) on this list or does some one have their email contact details??Denise Hynd

Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Social use of Ultrasound in Pregnancy

2002-11-13 Thread Denise Hynd
Dear all I missed Jodie's original e-mail but I do agree with Sally I understand that the safety issue is more than a scare mongering anti-technology response as the most conservative Colleges of O& G have covered thenmsleves in recommeend ues on ly for a clinical indication, but once again this b

Re: [ozmidwifery] CinderellaRockafella

2002-11-13 Thread Pinky McKay
he he he!! Pinky - Original Message - From: "Denise Hynd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 11:04 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] CinderellaRockafella > > > Cinderella was now 75 years old. After a fulfilling life with the now > departed Prince, she

Re: [ozmidwifery] sample letter re NMAP

2002-11-13 Thread Jayne
Thanks Denise.  I'm in Victoria so I'd like to take advantage of the State election coming up.   Jayne     - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] sample letter re NMAP

Re: [ozmidwifery] hurtful birth experiences

2002-11-13 Thread Judy Chapman
What helped me heal was knowing that I probably would not have been a midwife, or maybe not so caring, if it was not for that. I know I have managed to help some women avoid what I had. JudyJudy Chapman Midwife 07 47490764 From: "Aviva Sheb'a" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: [ozmidwifery] Julia's birth

2002-11-13 Thread Judy Chapman
Bellydance is fun anway, regardless of the physical benefits. Keeps us young. Judy     From: "Aviva Sheb'a" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Julia's birth Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:54:25 +1030 Ah, yes! and it's wonderful what

Re: [ozmidwifery] hurtful birth experiences

2002-11-13 Thread Jayne
I have to agree with you in a way JudyI probably would not have had any more kids after my 1st if it weren't for the option of homebirth.  There was no way I was going to subject a baby or myself to a hospital birth after experiencing the 1st one. - Original Message - From:

Re: [ozmidwifery] Angela Pridham and Robyn Skewes contact?

2002-11-13 Thread Justine Caines
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Angela Pridham and Robyn Skewes contact? Dear Oz listers Are midwives  Angela Pridham (Shoalhaven) or Robyn Skewes (new England) on this list or does some one have their email contact details?? Denise Hynd Denise and All I have written a sample letter for Victoria,

Re: [ozmidwifery] Julia's birth

2002-11-13 Thread Aviva Sheb'a
spot on! keeps us womanly. aviva - Original Message - From: Judy Chapman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Julia's birth Bellydance is fun anway, regardless of the physical benefits. Keeps us young. Judy  

Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Social use of Ultrasound in Pregnancy

2002-11-13 Thread Jodie Miller
Is the mailing list shared btn Ozmid and Birthnews? I only posted my response on Birthnews and was surprised to see it pop up here My husband is a hobby audioengineer and I've been to a lot of live gigs in a lot of bad rooms. I DO understand how ultrasound could be considered to be potent

Re: [ozmidwifery] Julia's birth

2002-11-13 Thread DebSlater
In a message dated 11/14/02 8:25:54 AM W. Australia Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah, yes! and it's wonderful what happens to the perineum, vagina, bladder and the whole woman when Belly Dance is taken up. I heartily recommend it! Ditto with ballet dancing.  I did ballet as a child

Re: [ozmidwifery] hurtful birth experiences

2002-11-13 Thread rem & melissa bruijn
Margie - what a beautiful story about your friend's courage and strength. And re those women who say "I've got the baby - that's what matters" and clamp down...I know what you mean about not knowing how to respond. I know I clung desperately to my baby, willing everything to "all be ok". While in

Re: [ozmidwifery] hurtful birth experiences

2002-11-13 Thread rem & melissa bruijn
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] hurtful birth experiences And that is such a gift :  to gain a new career, a new empathy and be able to help other women.  (I feel I am on the verge of something similar.)  THe women who have had you as their carer should consider themselves lucky to have someone so insi