Re: [ozmidwifery] formula lunches

2004-09-07 Thread Marilyn Kleidon
It could very well just be Denise. I think you a fairly and firmly hit the nail on the head. marilyn - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] formula lunches Judy Right on I

Re: [ozmidwifery] formula lunches

2004-09-07 Thread Marilyn Kleidon
Just to add one more. I find it deplorable that we cannot find the time to make sure parents have a car seat in their car. I know it would really interfere with our discharge policy if we checked but we don't and it is our policy not to check. Which is so odd to me 'cause in California and

Re: [ozmidwifery] was formula, now HELP for b/f

2004-09-07 Thread Geoff Louise Wightman
Hi Rita Retained products has a huge impact on breastfeeding. I have recently had a client who was unable to establish a milk supply and a 2 weeks post birth was readmitted to hospital with a ?uterine infection, this occurred after a DC as well. acouple of days after the antibioitcs kicked

Re: [ozmidwifery] formula lunches

2004-09-07 Thread Geoff Louise Wightman
Fabulous message Louise - Original Message - From: Judy Giesaitis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:23 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] formula lunches At the recent Southern NSW/ACT ABA conference I heard one of the speakers encourage the

Re: [ozmidwifery] formula lunches

2004-09-07 Thread Abby and Toby
Dear Abby Have you told your ECN of your journey subsequent to her advice?? Denise Hynd Hi Denise, Unfortunately no. Nor have I written to the male ob who convinced me that I would have a c-section because his alarm bells were ringing, nor the asshole that held me down while he did an

Re: [ozmidwifery] was formula, now HELP for b/f

2004-09-07 Thread Joy Cocks
Hi Rita, If you would like to email me offlist maybe we can 'talk' some more about this andperhaps come up with a bit of an action plan. Retained productscan definitely have an effect on lactogenesis! Take care, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article

2004-09-07 Thread Abby and Toby
Since this discussion started i have also been working my way through a brilliant book, and it is pointed out in there that The arrival of the trained support person is more evidence of the medicalisation of birth. I think this statement is true. Birth has become, for the majority in a

[ozmidwifery] politics and research

2004-09-07 Thread Kirsten Blacker
Marilyn wrote:"It is sad but true across many academic disciplines in Australia that American research is ignored rather than even be considered. There is always a supposed political reason for it. I just think it is unwarranted amongst other things. I realise that big business has funded

[ozmidwifery] Alfalfa tea

2004-09-07 Thread Michelle Windsor
Hi everyone, Have been following the discussion about breastfeeding and ways of increasing supply. Just have a query has anyone had an experience with using alfalfa tea to increase supply? A friend of mine said she had an oversupply for 6 months which someone told her was due to drinking

Re: [ozmidwifery] was formula, now HELP for b/f

2004-09-07 Thread Katrina Ceri
Hi Rita In my short time exposed to this wonderful world, one of the major things instilled in me has been - 'check the placenta thoroughly!, if the woman has retained products - it will effect milk production! I have never forgotten this, and have seen it a couple of times, where the woman had an

Re: [ozmidwifery] Nestle boycott

2004-09-07 Thread Katrina Ceri
Hi Megan Not sure where you are situated, but I buy condensed milk from Aldi (don't know if Nestle actually makes it for them though, they tell me no.) And I have been using Farmland choc bits in my cookies and they work just fine ( only come in dark though..) Katrina :-) On 07/09/2004, at

Re: [ozmidwifery] formula lunches

2004-09-07 Thread Denise Hynd
Dear Abby What a cascade of poor and disrespectful treatment you had !! In legal terms are you aware!' Doing anything to you with out permission is assault! Making you feel under threat of this is battery Though I understand trying to do anything after the event is difficult and traumatic in

Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article

2004-09-07 Thread Denise Hynd
Abby Right on Go girls to women!! Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: Abby and Toby To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 07,

Re: [ozmidwifery] formula lunches

2004-09-07 Thread Katrina Ceri
Just reading your story there (and I get the impression that's just the tip of it) makes me want to send virtual hugs to you. Katrina :-) On 07/09/2004, at 4:28 PM, Abby and Toby wrote: Dear Abby Have you told your ECN of your journey subsequent to her advice?? Denise Hynd Hi Denise,

[ozmidwifery] doula discussion

2004-09-07 Thread Honey Acharya
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Re: [ozmidwifery] SMH article on labour pain

2004-09-07 Thread Kylie Carberry
Let us know if this is published From: Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: OzMid List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] SMH article on labour pain Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 13:40:39 +1000 Hi Andrea and all Just put a letter together JC xx

[ozmidwifery] Debriefing

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Re: [ozmidwifery] formula lunches

2004-09-07 Thread Abby and Toby
Nor can I say when I have done it I have received anything like justice but at least some one is aware that there are poeple who will not silently accept substandard treatment!! Denise Hynd Hi Denise, One day I will! lol! I haven't even got my medical records yet, though I've had the forms for

Re: [ozmidwifery] formula lunches

2004-09-07 Thread Abby and Toby
Just reading your story there (and I get the impression that's just the tip of it) makes me want to send virtual hugs to you.Katrina :-) Thanks Katrina. I often wish I could reach through the computer screen and hug s many women whose stories are shared. It is inspiring and hopeful to

Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article

2004-09-07 Thread Philippa Scott
This has since been said differently but I have written it so I'll send it in support of what Abby said. That the selling of the need for a professional doula undermines a womans belief that she can give birth by herself, and is disempowering. Would this not be the same for any birthing

Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article

2004-09-07 Thread Honey Acharya
Well said Abby. You said it better than I could. - Original Message - From: Abby and Toby To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Since this discussion started i have also been working

Re: [ozmidwifery] SMH article on labour pain

2004-09-07 Thread Justine Caines
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] SMH article on labour pain Dear All Letter to the SMH was published today, with the juicy bit about Anaesthetists incomes resting on injecting women left out!!! They did however call me and ask and I thought it was better going in edited than not at all! JC xx

Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article

2004-09-07 Thread Marilyn Kleidon
well said, Abby. marilyn - Original Message - From: Abby and Toby To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:05 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Since this discussion started i have also been working my way through a

Re: [ozmidwifery] politics and research

2004-09-07 Thread Marilyn Kleidon
Oh I totally agree, Kirsten!! And...it really made me angry when I was there...I was always finding Aus and Uk and NZ articles to show people and trumpeting midwifery here!! It has shocked me to find out we are equally one-eyed. We all agree about the Netherlands the USA acknowleges the big

Re: [ozmidwifery] Alfalfa tea

2004-09-07 Thread Marilyn Kleidon
Could be, but I had oversupply with all 3 of mine because I am ancient enough and it was pre HIV etc I actually donated to milk banks. I took it as a blessing, though I leaked everywhere..it was a little annoying at times. marilyn - Original Message - From: Michelle Windsor

Re: [ozmidwifery] was formula, now HELP for b/f

2004-09-07 Thread Belinda Maier
as the placenta is throwing off hormones to stop your milk coming in in pregnancy, when third stage is complete the hormones disappear quickly, prolactin rises and your milk comes in. A bit of placenta left can certainly still inhibit your milk coming in properly and establishing. Anemia

Re: [ozmidwifery] formula lunches

2004-09-07 Thread Denise Hynd
Dear Abby I understand you are talking to some-one who has been there and has withdrawn for time to heal sometimes not to face it again other times to come back and seek some redress. Here I speak of my own probably unecssary c/s then episodes of my professional and personal life where unexpected

[ozmidwifery] Bumper stickers!

2004-09-07 Thread Sadie
Has anyone else seen all the bumper stickers at this new web site? Have a look www.midwives.com.au Cheers, Sadie Life is not measured by the breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath.

Re: [ozmidwifery] was formula, now HELP for b/f

2004-09-07 Thread Pinky McKay
"It is so important to acknowledge the importance of breastfeeding and breastmilk but it doesn't mean that those who cannot bf for whatever reason love and nurture their babies any less than those who bf. Many women I know also juggle the despair of not giving their baby the 'best' the

Re: [ozmidwifery] was formula, now HELP for b/f

2004-09-07 Thread Denise Hynd
Dear Rita, I concur with what Belinda has said particuarly about find an LC who will discuss not only all your options (scuh as a supply line) but one or another midwife counsellor who can help you look at and understand what has happened in the past and ways you can minimise the risk of

Re: [ozmidwifery] was formula, now HELP for b/f

2004-09-07 Thread Belinda Maier
Beautifully said as usual, your son has a wonderful mother! - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] was formula, now HELP for b/f "It is so important to

Re: [ozmidwifery] was formula, now HELP for b/f

2004-09-07 Thread Pinky McKay
Thanks pinky - Original Message - From: Belinda Maier To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 3:43 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] was formula, now HELP for b/f Beautifully said as usual, your son has a wonderful mother! -