Sad commentary of our culture
Denise
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From:
Rhonda
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 7:56
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] repeat cs
candidates
I was talking to a woman the other day who is
Dear Lynn
Do you have a reference in regard to your perception /understanding of
manipulative language (? behoviours)
That would help others of us not only become but learn how to tell with
thius??
Denise
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From: Lynne Staff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
Dear Lynne
Does your example also suggest that response of not attempting a manual
removal but
cut off the cord flush with the placenta, and left it in
situ to regress
?may avoid hysterectomy for some placenta accreta which currently happens???
Thinking out loud (again)
Denise
- Original
Thank you
denise
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From: Lynne Staff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] hurtful birth experiences
Dear Penny - I kept this posting because I was very interested in the
women's talk you mentioned. It
Dear Jan
Well Done and thank you for sharing this with us a great
precedent to remember for future reference of what is possible
Denise Hynd
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 4:55 AM
Subject
Dear All,
From what I have seen - this situation is one of
the beauties/advantages of labouring in a large tub - the buoyancy and ease to
be able to lessen gravity effects - appears to lessen and help with
premature pushing.
Though I also remember a discussion about ice on
swallen Cx on
Dear All
I think Jackson the hypnobirther is a practitioner down Bowral way and was
on the list as Marilyn said last November.
Sad there was no reference to the relationship between the low and
decreasing level of drug free labour in NSW and different models of care.
For example the corresponding
And the quote from Helen Keller s as her life was inspirational
Denise
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From: Pinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 1:46 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Interesting website
what a lovely site, Carolyn,
Thanks
Pinky
-
Dear Tina
I also feel it is significant that the problems
were highest for the primip many of who may not have another baby or carry the
negative experience into the subsequent pregnancy!
In this age of 1.3 babies per capita
Denise
PS well done on being on the program of the Next
NSW MA
Reminds me of the Russian group whose slogan is
Peace at birth
Peace on earth!
Denise
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From: Heartlogic [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Ozmidwifery [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Birthnews
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; C-aware [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 1:16 AM
Subject:
? it didn't
work for me!!!
marilyn
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From:
Denise Hynd
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 9:41
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] emotional
reactions to cs
What a address and it works
Our assertion, that there is a link between a culture's
breastfeeding/nurturing practices and its level of violence or peacefulness,
is based primarily on the research and writings of James W. Prescott, Ph.D.,
who conducted research with the National Institute of Child Health and Human
Development
feeding, so
finally mum took babe to chiropractor. The mum had had a very quick,
natural first birth. The chiropractor realigned the baby's back, and mum
feels baby is much happier and enjoying feeding much more
Love, Barb
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From:
Denise
Dearest Lieve
I read your response and cried that we all here in Australia may one day
know, have the circle of caring you spoke of and are experiencing especially
through the hard questions of life and death.
Thank you for giving us an experience of it
Love
Denise
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Deaar Tina
I can't remember if the video has been around for a
while but Jo Bailey has been involved with promotion of epidurals for some time
on Pamphlets
I guess she is our version of "Too Posh to
push"Denise
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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL
What a address and it works!!
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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 1:44
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] emotional
reactions to cs
In a message dated 21/03/03 12:57:53 PM AUS Eastern
Daylight Time,
Dear All A hospital basedmidwife LC said
to me she thought Paeds order complementary feeds of formula so they can have
more clients in later years!"In response I
thought that was mean!
But then again I realised I must think they are
stupid or ignorant not to know the risksof
even one
Dear Sally I am sending your reply onto aloca
to me midwife who is coming to Perth next month (?) and would like to
visit with CMWADenise
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From:
Sally
Westbury
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 4:17
PM
Subject: RE:
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 2:42 PM
Subject: George Carlin's View on Ageing
George Carlin's View on Ageing (be sure to read the tips on how to stay
young at the end!)
Do you realize that the only time in our lives when we like to get
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From: Lee Rhiannon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 8:35 PM
Subject: War has begun - urgent protest information
PLEASE PASS ON
The attack on Iraq has begun.
Now is the time to come out and show that we oppose the death and estruction
occurring
Dear Sandy
I am not sure if you are aware there are several
cultures where women chose to only feed on one side..
I worked in PNG many years ago where this was
common and from memory I remember taking note that between babies - women only
looked lop sided if it was between third fourth or
It is interesting how differently things are seen
through different eyes/minds?
see below ANJ's Editor perspective on the (uncritical) reporting of "research"
Denise
- Original Message -
From: ANJ
To: Denise Hynd
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: March
From:
Denise Hynd
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:48
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] crystal
therapy
Dear Jennie
I forgot to ask for the reference for your
great quote from Michel Odent Thank you Denise
Dear All
I want to pose some question(s).
Do you or any one consider ifa baby's head is
born and does not come further with the next contraction, is it mild shoulder
dystocia?
Or are other classical signs (eg turtling of the head) necessary before
shoulder dystocia can be diagnosed mild or
Dear Pinky
I recommend your firend talk with Rebecca Glover in
Perth whom I take the liberty to forward this email to Denise H
- Original Message -
From:
Pinky McKay
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 2:46
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery]
tralian Nursing Journal Ph: (03)
9652 0506
It is interesting how differently things are
seen through different eyes/minds?
see below ANJ's Editor perspective on the (uncritical) reporting of "research"
Denise
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From: ANJ
To:
PROTECTED]; Denise Hynd
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Judy Giesaitis [EMAIL PROTECTED];
Justine Cairnes [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Frances Colville
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fran Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED];
Nicole Foder-Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Marilyn King
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Kate Weakley [EMAIL PROTECTED];
Kathy Moon [EMAIL
PINKY
sorry
REBECCA'S PHONE NUMBER IS
( 08) 9291 87319
Denise
- Original Message -
From:
Denise Hynd
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 10:42
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery]
cellulitus
Dear Pinky
I recommend your firend talk
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 4:27
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery]
cellulitus
Hi Denise -is Rebecca an LC??
Do you have contact details?
I am simply passing on all wisdom,
Pinky
- Original Message -
From:
Denise Hynd
To: [EMAIL
Dear Lieve
Thank you for sharing Lars' story with us!
Oh that we all could be so supportive of women and their choices
particularly the uncomfortable ones!
Denise
- Original Message -
From: Lieve Huybrechts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 2:48 PM
Dear Pinky
Your poem and Lieve's email reminds me that a culture which advocates for
the aborting of all questionable fetus' is risking/rejecting the loss of
such humane lessons as in this poem and Lars's story.
So saying I also reject making abortion illegal, I support women's informed
choice
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] WEBSITE SEARCH??
DEAR LIEVE
thnak you Denise
- Original Message -
From:
Lieve Huybrechts
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 3:16
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] WEBSITE
SEARCH??
On 16-03-2003 17:32, "Denise
to ensure that they be consistent and maintain the
organisation's espousal support for evidence based programmess such as the Baby
Friendly Hospital Initiative in this instance!
Yourssincerely
Denise Hynd
RM, RN, BApSc(Nsg
Ed).
There is also the possibilty of showing a lack of
understanding of the empowerment of women and midwives with all the external
signs of full dilatation, the effects of invasive procedures and attittudes
including stopping or interfereing with the birthing
process
Denise
-
Let's not forget that lovely Michel Odent quote
from Jenny
(Reference PLEASE)
Odent helps me to understand this fully when
hesays"women can undilate with one unkind glance
So even before you put your fingers near the woman
words behaviours ..
can interfere with the process of
Is there a web site for
the WHO guide to normal birth (1996).
Denise
Mary
Thank you for this reference the archive list is
wonderful and easy to access
Denise
- Original Message -
From:
Mary
Murphy
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 4:19
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] research @
uni
"Like many others, I
w and always
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From:
Denise Hynd
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 12:36
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] crystal
therapy
Dear Jennie
I commend your efforts particularly as student
midwife in the co
The ABC have only acknowledged my email asking for the reference about
Oxytocic and trust
Watch this space and the grass growing
Denise
- Original Message -
From: abc [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Denise Hynd' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:13 PM
Subject: Read: Mon 3/3//03
Now that is a meaningful response!
As ANF is the professional orgaisation most Aust
midwives belong to!!
Not to mention neonatal and paed
nurses
And this is maintaining the misinformation of those
who deal with mothers when they are most in need of realistic infomation
!!Denise
-
Excellent let us all take up the issue
Denise
- Original Message -
From:
Graham
Helen
To: The Editor
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:25
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding and
infant sleep patterns
Dear ANJ Editor
I am
Can some one please give me Kathleen Fahey's email
Wat I thought it was has bounced
Thanks Denise Hynd
when they are having
contractions I would consider pathological in that it shows a lack of
understanding of childbirth and how to workwith contractions and labour in
general.
To say such things is to in advertently support the
use of the treatments you are trying to
avoid
By the way what
ortunity to remain deeply contented to humanity. I thank my midwives for
that now and always
----- Original Message -
From:
Denise Hynd
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 12:36
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] crystal
thera
):
Johnson M, Stewart H, Langdon R, Kelly P, Yong L. A comparison of the
outcomes of partnership caseload midwifery and standard hospital care in
low
risk mothers. Sent for review.
Denise Hynd
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Sydney is finally getting some overcast and
drizzling rain
Denise
- Original Message -
From:
Mary
Murphy
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 5:17
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Oxytocin
Trust
Hi Denise, thank you for the Birth Psychology
Dear Hettie
Your expereinces are universal in
medicalised birth faclities and the rationale behind the BABY fRIENDLY HOSPITAL
INITIATIVE
So go to their web sites and all
related research denise
- Original Message -
From:
MHS
Grové
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL
mmes often
containing references and links.
www.abc.net.au
Sandra
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From:
Denise Hynd
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
; [EMAIL
Message -
From:
Denise Hynd
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 1:55
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Push for
Informed choices?
Dear All,
I commend
://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/lm/stories/s507278.htm - 22k - Cached - Last Modified: No
Date
- Original Message -----
From:
Denise Hynd
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:38
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Oxytocin
Trust
Dear Robin
Thank you for this suggestion and for reminding me
of the Mercola site and newsletter
Denise
- Original Message -
From:
Robin
Moon
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 12:26
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Cord Clamping
-
Here's
Dear Trudie
Thank you
Now I also have your web site on my favourites for
future reference
Denise Hynd
- Original Message -
From:
Trudie de
keijzer
To: aaron+vanessa
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 5:45
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] lights for
peace
Dear
...http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/lm/stories/s507278.htm - 22k - Cached - Last Modified: No
Date
- Original Message -
From:
Denise Hynd
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:38
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Oxytocin
Trust
discussions in the
Midwifery archives I want to share with you
Thank you
Denise Hynd
http://www.gentlebirth.org/archives/staldlbr.html#Reversal
Very interesting
Denise
- Original Message -
From:
Mary
Murphy
To: list
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 3:59
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Reduced Amniotic
Fluid volume
Saw this in "Midwifery Today":
Simple maternal hydration can increase amniotic fluid
Did any Radio National Breakfast listeners hear the
report on Oxytocin and trust on Monday 3/3/03?If so do you have the
reference for the study??Denise
I am CCC my reply to to you to Maggie
Denise Hynd
- Original Message -
From:
Alesa
Koziol
To: ozmidwifery
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:12
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Seeking Maggie
Banks
Dear list
I am seeking contact with Maggie Banks, author
You can't have one with out the
other!!Denise
- Original Message -
From:
Robin
Moon
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 3:53
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Oxytocin
Trust
i hope someone finds some info, I'm busting to
find out how
Yes I have sent them an inquiry
Denise
- Original Message -
From:
Alphia
Garrety
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 3:32
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Oxytocin
Trust
Searched Radio National for this- are you sure it was on this
Dear All here is the NSW site listing IWD
activities across the country including 1 near you
So there may be some places to spread the NMAP
message
Denise
http://www.womens.gateway.nsw.gov.au/events//1040278261_1951.html
I found much of the articlae Australian mind blowing !
What a different attitude to birth it's safety and the responsibility of
women in Holland and we are supposed to be the She'll be right Country!!
- Original Message -
From: Julie Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
Title: C-Aware Mailing List.
- Original Message -
From: Jackie
Mawson
To: Birthrites People.
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 10:01 PM
Subject: C-Aware Mailing List.
Hi all,This is the last email I
will send (personally) to the Birthrites contacts list which I had previously
set up
ATTENTION ALL MUMS,
MUMS-TO-BE,
THINKING ABOUT IT MUMS AND
MIDWIVES!
(Dads invited too!)
Have you had, are you having, or are you thinking about
having a baby?
If
so, and you would like to have a say in your care during the pregnancy and
birth,
come along and discuss it with us at
The Norwegians have had breastfeeding
parliamentarians and a Prime minister
BF is accepted and supported in
Norway!!They are the gold standard of Western nations in regard to
support of women and babies to breastfeed.
The roll onhs are amamzing for example
No premature babies get Formula
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] preparing and supporting child sexual abuse survivors for chilbdrith
Whilst doing booking histories this week I have
been with 2 young survivors of abuse and their anxiety, fear about who
they and what they would have to deal with during their pregnancy and birth was
Dear Rachel
Can you contact me off list?Denise
Hynd
midwifedenise @bigpond.com.au
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From:
Rachel Smith
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 2:21
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] NSW Postcard
Campaign
Hi JustineCould I
I have had women who have found the medical model
very stressful
Francesca Nash's
books helpful and positive in results both
emotionally and physically as well as reproducitively
Denise
- Original Message -
From:
Julie
Garratt
To: Ozmid
Sent: Sunday, February 23,
Dear Alphia
Would you please contact me off list
Thank you Denise Hynd
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From:
Alphia
Garrety
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 7:01
PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] baby
wanted
I remember- Sydney
Homeopathic
Arnica 30c Twice a day is what many women at home
use
Denise
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Chapman
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 1:53
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Afterbirth
pains
I have always found hot packs
NMAP
Hi Denise, IMD is in May usually - has it been
changed? Lois
- Original Message -
From:
Denise Hynd
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 3:44
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] IWD
NMAP
Dear All
alone woman centred!?
Denise Hynd
Dear All
Mar 4 is International Women's Day and an
opportunity to put NMAP before the women who are involved in these
activities!
Usually these are
the W libbers who are politically involved and have established networks which
could be re-energised by the research etc behind NMAP.
So
This is also on the web here is the site address
Denise
http://www.health.nsw.gov.au/public-health/mdc/mdcrep01.html
- Original Message -
From: Julie Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 2:54 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Info required.
Why
Dear All
I was directed to the Compleat Mother web site listing of midwives to find
no listings for NSW or WA
I have not checked out other states
But ask those who are still in practice to please add your contact details
to this site and similar ones if you have not already?
Denise
Dear ALL
If you are going to the NACE conference at Coogee on Friday please come and
say hello
at the ACE table
Andrea has very generously lent some space to MC to inform conference
attendees about NMAP
Justine Caines will be there so you can talk to her about what you can do to
help the campaign
The Weekend
AustralianEdition 1 -
All-round CountrySAT 15 FEB 2003, Page 027
Into the world in the
company of strangers By Claire Harvey
Australia could learn from New
Zealand's one mum, one medical practitioner ruling, reports Claire
HarveyTWENTY doctors, nurses, midwives and
The Rope Story
Eleven people were hanging on a rope under a helicopter, ten men
and
one
woman. The rope was not strong enough to carry them all, so they
decided
that one has to drop off. Otherwise they are all going to fall.
They were not able to choose that person,
- Original Message -
From: Cathy
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 9:28 AM
Subject: Women Against War
And so say all of
us.
cathy h.
Dear All,This is Women for Peace at work,
a reputable group - please sign this if it grabs you and send it on.
-2003 15:10, Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Lieve
In being off line and getting a new computer i have lost the web address
of
the wonderful midwifery site you told us about which questions the
giving of
anti d?
Please can you send it again?
Denise
- Original Message
While we are giving women SIDS information I trust we are also balancing it
with Bed sharing information and other baby centred practices
Such as
http://www.nd.edu/~jmckenn1/lab/
http://www.kangaroomothercare.com/
http://www.continuum-concept.org/
Denise
- Original Message -
From: janet
Dear all
I am not sure if I have just experienced a cervix
shut down to 4cm after being fully dilated or one that was closed thin well
applied with the opening up the posterior fornix and head down below
spines??I know Ina May talks about a woman getting to full dilatation
and hearing side
Dear Lieve
In being off line and getting a new computer i have lost the web address of
the wonderful midwifery site you told us about which questions the giving of
anti d?
Please can you send it again?
Denise
- Original Message -
From: Lieve Huybrechts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL
Dear Julie
THIS IS WONDERFUL.
Would it not be even more effective to be in
concert with MC NSWand what is happenig with the other groups across
NSW??Please speak with Justine
Denise
- Original Message -
From:
Julie
Clarke
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday,
Dear tania,
This is my gut reaction and maybe inappropriate or
taken poorly but here goes!Top of my list is deal with the fear that the
baby will stay breech and this is not good,
The baby can turn or be turned at different times
until labour is well established - only God if and when (and
Dear rita
Your response highlights the fact that much of what is called education is
really indoctrination, as the root meaning of Education is to come from with
in and most women humans want to connect particularly with their babies. and
all they need in our culture is permission to contradict,
Title: Re: [C-Aware] Randomised Controlled Trial on vbac v's cs (long)
Jo
Your logic and objectivity as well as positive
actions are to be commended.
I trust you will get all the support and effective
action you and all women need
Denise
- Original Message -
From:
Jo
Dean
Dear All
I am back online and lookin' forward to hearing
your news
Denise hynd
Dear Ozmid list
i am going off line as my son is coming to Sydney
and i am moving as well as getting a new computer (returning the
rental)Denise
It was inside the Saturdays SMH and I thought along the lines of Sally
I think it is part of exhibition in Sydney Museum of Contemporary Art??
Denise
- Original Message -
From: Sally Westbury [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 12:53 PM
Subject: FW:
Dear Jan
Thank you for sharing this good news.
Earlier this week MLT sent me a re-assuring meail about something I had
earlier sort her help with!!
She was giving in the middle of her own ordeal!
I wish we could do something to stop the adversarial system being used in
response to midwifery
Dear Lois
Can you please send me the wording of the sections of the act you are
supposed to have contravened??
So I can word my response approriately
Denise
- Original Message -
From: Lois Wattis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 6:00 PM
Subject: Re:
Title: Women's Comedy too!
- Original Message -
From: Angie
Smith
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 4:14 PM
Subject: [awhn-list] Women's Comedy too!
Dear Networkers,
March 2003 will also herald the third Armidale Women's
Comedy Festival, which is scheduled
eeding" leaflet or her
video "Follow me mum"" from Capers or BirthInternational
I will give you her Perth number tomorrow if you
need?
With good information you can fix this and learn by
it!!!
Be patient and beleive it will come right
!Denise Hynd
- Original Mes
...near gosford/terrigal.
deb
- Original Message -
From:
Denise Hynd
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 9:24
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Suggestions
sought
Dear Debbie
Where are you So I can give you specific
Dear Debbie
Where are you So I can give you specific
contacts even with IBCLC as the certification does not look at clinical skills
some are better than others
Denise
- Original Message -
From:
Debbie Field
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 10:07
Dear Judy
I had heard rumours, conflicting stories that
Wollongong had a birth centre
How long did it operate for??
Do you know if midwives in other birth centres in
Sydney have to be or CNC??Denise Hynd
- Original Message -
From:
Judy Giesaitis
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED
ÿþ<