Re: [PD] PD with Ubuntu Karmic - no sound

How would we make Pd use that ALSA compatibility layer? I know about the OSS emulation in Pulseaudio, I believe that would work by doing 'padsp pd'. .hc On Nov 13, 2009, at 11:28 PM, John Harrison wrote: IIRC there is some sort of ALSA compatibility layer in Pulseaudio and I think it w

Re: [PD] PD with Ubuntu Karmic - no sound

IIRC there is some sort of ALSA compatibility layer in Pulseaudio and I think it would be nice if Pd-extended could choose this ALSA "driver" or "soft card" or whatever it would be called. That would be a better solution than pasuspender because then Pd would be playing "nice" with all the other so

Re: [PD] Max4Live... How about Pd4Live?

Jeffrey Concepcion wrote: ... > To justin: > Can ardour be customized as a performance tool (which is abletons key > feature IMO) > No need for customization to use it that way, actually. It does not have the range of features that ableton live has, but I have used it successfuly as a source of

Re: [PD] Max4Live... How about Pd4Live?

To Michal: i see your point on the "openness", and thanks for that link. i doubt Ableton will release it's source code, at least until they figure out how to "open Live", as Gerhard mentioned, and still have enough income for 100 employees. It'll be a good day when Live users will be able to custom

Re: [PD] PD with Ubuntu Karmic - no sound

I can get sound going with karmic fine out of the box with alsa. however, its not connecting with jack. any suggestions on why that might be? Ardour and jack are fine with rt... Pd version 0.42.5-extended-20091103 Karmic 9.10 32bit uname -a Linux local 2.6.31-9-rt #152-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT RT Thu O

Re: [PD] jack_transport~ little patch:rewind

On Nov 13, 2009, at 2:03 AM, Lorenzo wrote: Hi Alex, I submitted a patch in May [check the archives if you're interested] which lets you the "locate" functionality of jack_transport from pd, this lets you seek anywhere, |locate 0( seems to do what your rewind does. I didn't have any response

Re: [PD] Finding "$0" and dealing with it in messages

Roman Haefeli wrote: Finally, we agree. I also think, that using $ twice is confusing, when the uses are so different. Personally, i wouldn't mind, if Pd would be changed instantaneously while breaking backwards compatibility. But i don't think, that it is realistic. roman Actually, all it

Re: [PD] PD with Ubuntu Karmic - no sound

Is pasuspender something that could be integrated into the Pd-extended menu launch item somehow? I'd really like to make sure that Pd will output audio by just starting it in Debian/Ubunut. .hc On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:09 PM, John Harrison wrote: could be pulseaudio is the problem? from

Re: [PD] Finding "$0" and dealing with it in messages

Here's my summary of the proposals mentioned here: I agree that $0 is totally arbitrary and is not inherintly bound to object boxes. I think this strongest proposed fix is to introduce $$ which works in both object and message boxes, its a nice parallel to Bourne Shell syntax. On that not

Re: [PD] Finding "$0" and dealing with it in messages

Someone could write their own message box object and make it do whatever they want. Then you have both: a new interface and backwards compatibility. The message box could just be a GUI object like any other, there is nothing inherently unique about it. .hc On Nov 13, 2009, at 6:50 PM,

Re: [PD] Max4Live... How about Pd4Live?

The Ableton / max integration is pretty awesome, and it will not be possible to integrate pd into ableton without the ableton source code or some difficult (and illegal) reverse engineering. And as far as "open" goes, ardour is more open without any integration with any other app (except, as Hans-C

Re: [PD] Max4Live... How about Pd4Live?

i like the convergence but i do prefer pd over max/msp too gem&pdp over jitter but i will certainly will have to explore it and see what shakes From: pd-list-boun...@iem.at [pd-list-boun...@iem.at] On Behalf Of Hans-Christoph Steiner [h...@at.or.at] Sent:

Re: [PD] Max4Live... How about Pd4Live?

pdmaxisadoraflashliveunity-a-sauras. From: pd-list-boun...@iem.at [pd-list-boun...@iem.at] On Behalf Of Michal Seta [...@artengine.ca] Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 6:55 PM To: Jeffrey Concepcion Cc: pd-list Subject: Re: [PD] Max4Live... How about Pd4

Re: [PD] Max4Live... How about Pd4Live?

I don't really know what Max4Live is, but I can say you've been able to send/ receive audio to/from Pd using Jack for years. I believe that the Pd jack implementation supports at least 64 jack connections, so if you use another Jack-enabled app, you can have up to 64 audio connections be

Re: [PD] Finding "$0" and dealing with it in messages

Finally, we agree. I also think, that using $ twice is confusing, when the uses are so different. Personally, i wouldn't mind, if Pd would be changed instantaneously while breaking backwards compatibility. But i don't think, that it is realistic. roman On Fri, 2009-11-13 at 13:16 -0800, Phil S

Re: [PD] Max4Live... How about Pd4Live?

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Jeffrey Concepcion wrote: > i am already aware > of Jack for sending audio directly from pd to live and vice versa(not sure > about midi capabilities), but i'm refering to truly open possibilities that > this type of integration will allow. I think you are asking

Re: [PD] Finding "$0" and dealing with it in messages

> The way I see is that $1...$n are related to the inheritance concept. > They > could be used inside [send~] & [receive~] objects to force some > sort of > locality, but you can't really guarantee locality by that, it is just > some way around that is not 100% safe There's no guarantee of "local

Re: [PD] Max4Live... How about Pd4Live?

you can use a pd patch with max, using the pd~ object. so you can imagine pd4max4live... ;-) Cyrille Jeffrey Concepcion a écrit : Is it possible to integrate Pd with Ableton Live in a way similar to Max4Live, as a Live/Pd user (newbie really) this will be a very important issue in my work. As

[PD] Max4Live... How about Pd4Live?

Is it possible to integrate Pd with Ableton Live in a way similar to Max4Live, as a Live/Pd user (newbie really) this will be a very important issue in my work. As far as i know, Max4live includes many instruments that can be opened up in a Max canvas (similar to Pd) environment for editing, as wel

Re: [PD] imager (how to build an imager in pd?)

hi chris, i read a bit about the rss stuff - that sounds nice. but i have no idea how to use the phase to get something like the results of the rss technoligy. can you please give me an exsample or an startingpoint on that? thanks alot. j chris clepper schrieb: Look into the Haas effect and a

Re: [PD] [PD-dev] Space for pd under Windows

Hi, i compiled it for you (you can do it yourself with cygwin/mingw32) http://puredata.info/Members/fricklr/space.dll cheers g. Isidro Gonzalez schrieb: Hello: Does anyone compiled and/or used the pd implementation of the Space Unit Generator of F. R. Moore made by Yadegari? Here is the link: h

Re: [PD] Finding "$0" and dealing with it in messages

Matt Barber wrote: I am saying two things: 1) Without $0 or something similar, the only way to guarantee similar locality would be through use of $1 or $n -- you would have to manually give each instance an instance number. Sometimes you even want to be able to group instances in the way you su

Re: [PD] Finding "$0" and dealing with it in messages

Oh, cool, yeah, that is a nice design, I see it now. but anyways, I still see $0 as locality and the rest as inheritance, as you are just still making a child inherit (by $1) a parent's local $0 ID. > I personally love the idea of using $0 as the selector > of the abstraction -- its name or filen

Re: [PD] Finding "$0" and dealing with it in messages

On Fri, 13 Nov 2009, Roman Haefeli wrote: On Fri, 2009-11-13 at 18:08 +0100, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: The only thing i don't really get: Why seems there some agreement, that using $0 to get the selector could be confusing? because i want to get the selector of an object-box as well (it's name

Re: [PD] gem on ubuntu karmic?

hmm. do i need to delete previous builds? or simply install this package? On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 8:13 PM, patrick wrote: > you can try this build: > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1455235/Pd-0.42.5-extended-20091113.deb > > fresh from today > > > > __

Re: [PD] Finding "$0" and dealing with it in messages

I am saying two things: 1) Without $0 or something similar, the only way to guarantee similar locality would be through use of $1 or $n -- you would have to manually give each instance an instance number. Sometimes you even want to be able to group instances in the way you suggested. I'm not sur

Re: [PD] Finding "$0" and dealing with it in messages

Alexandre Porres wrote: > hmm, I am sorry, I don't think I got what you meant... could you give an > example please? > > The way I see is that $1...$n are related to the inheritance concept. They > could be used inside [send~] & [receive~] objects to force some sort of > locality, but you can't re

Re: [PD] Finding "$0" and dealing with it in messages

hmm, I am sorry, I don't think I got what you meant... could you give an example please? The way I see is that $1...$n are related to the inheritance concept. They could be used inside [send~] & [receive~] objects to force some sort of locality, but you can't really guarantee locality by that, it

Re: [PD] gem on ubuntu karmic?

you can try this build: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1455235/Pd-0.42.5-extended-20091113.deb fresh from today ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] Finding "$0" and dealing with it in messages

> But I am just used to consider "$0" and "$1, $2 > ... $n" different/separate things, being "$0" solely > a locality sintax. Well I don't know about implementation, but conceptually, I don't see $0 (in object boxes) as something that much different than $1..$n: you can think of $0 as just one

Re: [PD] Finding "$0" and dealing with it in messages

Without $0, one would have to use $1 ... $n for locality. $0 of a parent patch often needs to be passed as $1 to a child for proper locality, for instance, so I don't think they are necessarily THAT different conceptually. Matt On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Alexandre Porres wrote: >> Callin

Re: [PD] compiling externals on snow leopard

I compiled the pd-gui-rewrite branch today as 64bit with portaudio support, but haven't tested it much. To compile portaudio as 64bit, you need the the sources from their svn. If I try to compile using the sources included with pd, I get a bunch of deprecation warnings followed by a syntax error.

Re: [PD] object that blocks stream of numbers unless new values arrive?

what about [change] ? without asking the list you find a lot of clues by following the discussions on the 'hurleur' forum and analyzing posted patches there. that's what I do anyway. Cheers J On Nov 14, 2009, at 2:19 AM, altern wrote: > hi > > is there a spigot type of object that blocks numb

[PD] object that blocks stream of numbers unless new values arrive?

hi is there a spigot type of object that blocks numbers from a stream unless the value is different than the previos one that arrived? i just want to avoid reinventing the wheel... i am using pd extended right now so if any library there has something like this it would be nice to know. btw. is

Re: [PD] gem on ubuntu karmic?

ok. i now have gem 0.93 working fine on pd. this is after following roman and olsen's instructions: also, i used no flags with the autogen.sh script. On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:54 PM, olsen wrote: > > > Aditya Mandayam wrote: >> >> this is indeed going out to the pd list at large :-) > > okidoky >

Re: [PD] Finding "$0" and dealing with it in messages

Roman Haefeli wrote: While definitely understanding your irritation, the only point of your writing i was able to find is that it would make it 'easier'. No, it's that the idea of "$0 = special case" is only used when talking about message boxes; $0 is also a special case in object boxes, y

Re: [PD] Finding "$0" and dealing with it in messages

On Fri, 2009-11-13 at 18:08 +0100, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: > > >> The only thing i don't really get: Why seems there some agreement, that > >> using $0 to get the selector could be confusing? > > because i want to get the selector of an object-box as well (it's name). What the hell is the se

Re: [PD] Finding "$0" and dealing with it in messages

While definitely understanding your irritation, the only point of your writing i was able to find is that it would make it 'easier'. I definitely cannot support the idea of making one special case (that arises a lot, i admit) easier, while disregarding completely the concepts and consistency. Luc

Re: [PD] gem on ubuntu karmic?

Aditya Mandayam wrote: this is indeed going out to the pd list at large :-) okidoky http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2009-11/073902.html i launch pd by: $ pasuspender pd and output: GEM: Graphics Environment for Multimedia GEM: ver: 0.90 GEM: compiled: May 14 2009 GEM: mainta

Re: [PD] gem on ubuntu karmic?

On Fri, 2009-11-13 at 17:02 +0100, Aditya Mandayam wrote: > how do i find the path to my pd sources? > > On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 4:50 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: > > olsen wrote: > >> get the current gem svn with: > >> svn co https://pd-gem.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pd-gem pd-gem > >> then c

Re: [PD] gem on ubuntu karmic?

this is indeed going out to the pd list at large :-) http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2009-11/073902.html i launch pd by: $ pasuspender pd and output: GEM: Graphics Environment for Multimedia GEM: ver: 0.90 GEM: compiled: May 14 2009 GEM: maintained by IOhannes m zmoelnig GEM: Auth

Re: [PD] Finding "$0" and dealing with it in messages

IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Phil Stone wrote: I think the fact that this is an eternally-recurring topic points to just how irritating this one little foible of Pd is -- it's confusing to newbies, i agree and it's annoying to more experienced programmers. but i can't follo

Re: [PD] gem on ubuntu karmic?

hm guess at this point you might have to provide some more infos about the pd/gem-version you're using & the output of your startup, which patch makes it crash & the output when gem actually crashes. & please cc to the list as there is more gem knowledge around! Aditya Mandayam wrote: so i f

Re: [PD] Finding "$0" and dealing with it in messages

Phil Stone wrote: > > I think the fact that this is an eternally-recurring topic points to > just how irritating this one little foible of Pd is -- it's confusing to > newbies, i agree > and it's annoying to more experienced programmers. but i can't follow here .-) > But $0 is exceptional in

Re: [PD] Finding "$0" and dealing with it in messages

Roman Haefeli wrote: This is obviously a loop. All this has been said and proposed before in the thread [1], that has been posted by alex porres a few posts back. Sorry for not having brought any new perspectives into the discussion, but having just repeated what has been said already. Hi Ro

Re: [PD] Finding "$0" and dealing with it in messages

> Calling this an exception creates > the impression, that $1 in a message > is the same as in an object. Hmm, I see you have a point! But I am just used to consider "$0" and "$1, $2 ... $n" different/separate things, being "$0" solely a locality sintax. Putting them as separate concepts I see "$

Re: [PD] gem on ubuntu karmic?

i don't know the path to your pd sources ;) but i unpacked my pd-source from http://downloads.sourceforge.net/pure-data/pd-0.42-5.src.tar.gz to /home/olsen/pd/pd-0.42-5 so my configure looks like this: ./configure --with-libv4l2 --with-pd=/home/olsen/pd/pd-0.42-5 Aditya Mandayam wrote: how do i

Re: [PD] gem on ubuntu karmic?

Aditya Mandayam wrote: > how do i find the path to my pd sources? it's where you have pd installed from. "normally" you would have the full sources of Pd, which you used to compile Pd from. if you haven't compiled it yourself, you can either download the sources used to compile Pd and point to th

Re: [PD] [++ ] object wont work

On Fri, 13 Nov 2009, Konstantinos Benardis wrote: I want to trigger a bang when a specific number occurs in a serie of running numbers for example from the output of a line object. I use the [== ] object to lookup but the object wont work if the numbers are running too fast. What could be the pr

Re: [PD] gem on ubuntu karmic?

how do i find the path to my pd sources? On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 4:50 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: > olsen wrote: >> get the current gem svn with: >> svn co https://pd-gem.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pd-gem pd-gem >> then change to the src directory: >> cd /pd-gem/trunk/Gem/src >> check the REA

Re: [PD] gem on ubuntu karmic?

olsen wrote: > get the current gem svn with: > svn co https://pd-gem.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pd-gem pd-gem > then change to the src directory: > cd /pd-gem/trunk/Gem/src > check the README.linux to make shure you've the dependencies onboard. > then > ./autogen.sh > ./configure --with-libv4l2 --

Re: [PD] imager (how to build an imager in pd?)

Look into the Haas effect and also changing phase along with delay time. Roland had a technology called RSS that could do pretty wild things with the stereo image based on phase and delay. On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 5:20 AM, Johannes wrote: > thanks guys, > > andrew, nice that you wrote about the l

Re: [PD] gem on ubuntu karmic?

get the current gem svn with: svn co https://pd-gem.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pd-gem pd-gem then change to the src directory: cd /pd-gem/trunk/Gem/src check the README.linux to make shure you've the dependencies onboard. then ./autogen.sh ./configure --with-libv4l2 --with-pd=/pathtopdsources/ ma

Re: [PD] copying one array to another very fast

Why not [iem_tab] externals? abraço glerm ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] gem on ubuntu karmic?

i posted this already: an elegant way to bypass the LD_PRELOAD is to install libv4l & libv4l-dev & configure gem-svn with: ./configure --with-libv4l2 --with-pd=/pathtopdsources/ then set the driver of pix_video with a driver v4l2 message this works for me on ubuntu karmic salutis olsen Jose Lui

Re: [PD] copying one array to another very fast

João Pais wrote: >> definitely not mine. >> it's günther rabl's toolset, ported to Pd by thomas grrrill. >> >> hey, all of us are austrians; no nationalism intended. > > tut mir Leid, war zu faul, um herauszusuchen. nächstes Mal mache ich es > wieder falsch, aber nicht mit deinem Namen. i was fla

Re: [PD] copying one array to another very fast

definitely not mine. it's günther rabl's toolset, ported to Pd by thomas grrrill. hey, all of us are austrians; no nationalism intended. tut mir Leid, war zu faul, um herauszusuchen. nächstes Mal mache ich es wieder falsch, aber nicht mit deinem Namen. __

Re: [PD] [++ ] object wont work

Indeed the number was not in the stream. I was changing the number with the mouse which does not produce all the numbers in the serie. Thank you On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Martin Schied wrote: > > > Konstantinos Benardis wrote: > >> Hi list >> >> I want to trigger a bang when a specific n

Re: [PD] gem on ubuntu karmic?

My large solution... i installed ubuntu 8.10 and PD, then upgrade to 9.04, then 9.10, when the program ask to eliminate the old packets say no... and open terminal and write: LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l1compat.so pd is the form to call a gem in ubuntu, you must install libv4l and others v

[PD] Space for pd under Windows

Hello: Does anyone compiled and/or used the pd implementation of the Space Unit Generator of F. R. Moore made by Yadegari? Here is the link: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~yadegari/space.html If someone knows where to find the compiled external and/or a Windows-adapted code, that will save me a lot of work

Re: [PD] imager (how to build an imager in pd?)

Johannes wrote: thanks guys, andrew, nice that you wrote about the logic imager. i was inspired by it to think about how the imager effect workes. do you think there is no delay between the channels at all? is it just stereo filtering? any other voices on how to build an imager in pd? there

Re: [PD] [++ ] object wont work

Konstantinos Benardis wrote: Hi list I want to trigger a bang when a specific number occurs in a serie of running numbers for example from the output of a line object. I use the [== ] object to lookup but the object wont work if the numbers are running too fast. What could be the problem? I

Re: [PD] gem on ubuntu karmic?

yes, of course. on karmic it's just like any other ubuntu release : get the last svn, install all dependency, go to src/ aclocal autoconf ./configure make id something fail, send the error and the output of ./configure cyrille Aditya Mandayam a écrit : ok :-) care to expand on how you set i

Re: [PD] copying one array to another very fast

João Pais wrote: > I'm sure that in zmoelnig's (?) VASP there's something to do this. but I > can't look at it myself now. definitely not mine. it's günther rabl's toolset, ported to Pd by thomas grrrill. hey, all of us are austrians; no nationalism intended. fgmasdr IOhannes smime.p7s Descr

Re: [PD] gem on ubuntu karmic?

ok :-) care to expand on how you set it up? On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 12:45 PM, cyrille henry wrote: > yes, > > cyrille > > > Aditya Mandayam a écrit : >> >> has anyone successfully gotten gem working on karmic? >> >> ___ >> Pd-list@iem.at mailing list >>

Re: [PD] gem on ubuntu karmic?

yes, cyrille Aditya Mandayam a écrit : has anyone successfully gotten gem working on karmic? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list __

[PD] gem on ubuntu karmic?

has anyone successfully gotten gem working on karmic? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

[PD] [++ ] object wont work

Hi list I want to trigger a bang when a specific number occurs in a serie of running numbers for example from the output of a line object. I use the [== ] object to lookup but the object wont work if the numbers are running too fast. What could be the problem? Is there another way to do the lookup

Re: [PD] imager (how to build an imager in pd?)

thanks guys, andrew, nice that you wrote about the logic imager. i was inspired by it to think about how the imager effect workes. do you think there is no delay between the channels at all? is it just stereo filtering? any other voices on how to build an imager in pd? jo Andrew Faraday sch

Re: [PD] Finding "$0" and dealing with it in messages

This is obviously a loop. All this has been said and proposed before in the thread [1], that has been posted by alex porres a few posts back. Sorry for not having brought any new perspectives into the discussion, but having just repeated what has been said already. The only thing i don't really ge

Re: [PD] copying one array to another very fast

I'm sure that in zmoelnig's (?) VASP there's something to do this. but I can't look at it myself now. I want to copy the contents of one array to another as fast as possible. Basically, I'll load a sound file into an array, and fill a big buffer by concating that soundfile to the big buff

Re: [PD] copying one array to another very fast

Stephen Lucas wrote: I should have also added that I'm only using this functionality for relatively small arrays (500 values), and haven't tried using it for arrays which may be holding longish audio samples. -Stephen On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:56 PM, Stephen Lucas

Re: [PD] Finding "$0" and dealing with it in messages

Am 12.11.09 17:21 schrieb "Alexandre Porres" unter : > But I totally disagree, I have been teaching a lot basic Pd around, and people > always get confused and think they can just throw "$0" in messages. So I have > to state and reinforce that there is an exception that it doesn't work on > mes

Re: [PD] Finding "$0" and dealing with it in messages

Am 13.11.09 01:31 schrieb "Phil Stone" unter : > Mathieu Bouchard wrote: >> On Fri, 13 Nov 2009, Frank Barknecht wrote: >>> Alexandre Porres hat gesagt: // Alexandre Porres wrote: But I totally disagree, I have been teaching a lot basic Pd around, and people always get confused and th