Re: [PD] pidip

2013-03-12 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2013-03-12 03:54, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > > It'll work for any platform. > because it's early morning i'd like to add my senf: the installation routines as described by hans and the docs[1], will work on any platform. this doesn't mean th

Re: [PD] pidip

2013-03-11 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
It'll work for any platform. .hc On 03/11/2013 12:41 PM, Patrick Pagano wrote: > Is this for linux? > > > > On 03/11/2013 11:07 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: >> >> please keep this on the list, other people can answer this question, so >> it'll likely get you a faster answer too. >> >> Ju

Re: [PD] pidip

2013-03-11 Thread Patrick Pagano
Is this for linux? On 03/11/2013 11:07 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: please keep this on the list, other people can answer this question, so it'll likely get you a faster answer too. Just copy the 'pidip' folder in extra/ from 0.42.5 and put it in your user-installed externals folder.

Re: [PD] pidip

2013-03-11 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
please keep this on the list, other people can answer this question, so it'll likely get you a faster answer too. Just copy the 'pidip' folder in extra/ from 0.42.5 and put it in your user-installed externals folder. http://puredata.info/docs/faq/how-do-i-install-externals-and-help-files .hc

Re: [PD] pidip for pd-extended 0.43.4 Ubuntu 12.04

2013-02-15 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Just copy it out of Pd-extended 0.42.5. You can extract a .deb package like this: dpkg -x Pd-extended-0.42.5.deb /tmp/pd-extended-0.42.5 Then you'll find pidip in /tmp/pd-extended-0.42.5/usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/pidip. Copy that folder to ~/pd-externals or /usr/local/lib/pd-externals .hc O

[PD] pidip for pd-extended 0.43.4 Ubuntu 12.04

2013-02-15 Thread Elektro Moon
Hi all, may i ask someone to pass me the pidip binary for ubuntu 12.04. I am serching fot it everywhere but the latest i could find is for Maverick. Thanks in advance for your help: Popesz ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-manageme

Re: [PD] pidip

2013-02-07 Thread Cyrille Henry
Le 07/02/2013 19:02, me.grimm a écrit : ... glsl effects (i never did quite figure out an easy way to chain effects) use framebufffer : render the image in a framebuffer with a shader, then draw the 1st framebuffer texture in a 2nd framebuffer with a 2nd shader etc. it's quite easy, and hundr

Re: [PD] pidip

2013-02-07 Thread me.grimm
> To: Hans-Christoph Steiner > Cc: pd-list@iem.at; John Harrison > Subject: Re: [PD] pidip > > i would wonder. what does pidip got that gem does not? > and cant those things that it got that gem does not be added to gem via > original gpl code? > why have more than one vid lib

Re: [PD] pidip

2013-02-07 Thread Pagano, Patrick
07, 2013 11:08 AM To: Hans-Christoph Steiner Cc: pd-list@iem.at; John Harrison Subject: Re: [PD] pidip i would wonder. what does pidip got that gem does not? and cant those things that it got that gem does not be added to gem via original gpl code? why have more than one vid lib at least in pdx m

Re: [PD] pidip

2013-02-07 Thread me.grimm
i would wonder. what does pidip got that gem does not? and cant those things that it got that gem does not be added to gem via original gpl code? why have more than one vid lib at least in pdx m On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > > I'm not aware of that. Perhaps yo

Re: [PD] pidip

2013-02-06 Thread Pagano, Patrick
No I don't think so Sent from my iPhone On Feb 6, 2013, at 12:12 PM, "Jonathan Wilkes" wrote: > - Original Message - >> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner >> To: John Harrison >> Cc: pd-list@iem.at >> Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 11:54 AM >

Re: [PD] pidip

2013-02-06 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - > From: Hans-Christoph Steiner > To: John Harrison > Cc: pd-list@iem.at > Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 11:54 AM > Subject: Re: [PD] pidip > > > I'm not aware of that.  Perhaps you're thinking about how pidip should > a

Re: [PD] pidip

2013-02-06 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
I'm not aware of that. Perhaps you're thinking about how pidip should all be GPL, since it is based on GPL code. The GPL does not allow more license restrictions, and the pidip license does just that. So that means that the GPL code included in pidip is still GPL, but the code that sevy contrib

Re: [PD] pidip

2013-02-06 Thread John Harrison
I thought there was an earlier version of PiDiP which was and could be included with Pd-extended because it was released under an acceptable/compatible license? On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > > Just be aware that pidip is not free software because it has clauses i

Re: [PD] pidip

2013-02-06 Thread Pagano, Patrick
, 2013 9:51 AM To: Pagano, Patrick Cc: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] pidip On 02/06/2013 09:36 AM, Pagano, Patrick wrote: > That is supremely cool. > Are there examples included for pdp_artoolkit? > Students had a hard time with the fiducials at first and a simple example > goes a lon

Re: [PD] pidip

2013-02-06 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Just be aware that pidip is not free software because it has clauses in its license that restrict what it can be used for. Including pidip in your package means your package can no longer be legally distributed as binaries since the pidip license terms conflict with the GPL license terms. .hc O

Re: [PD] pidip

2013-02-06 Thread Ivica Ico Bukvic
esday, February 06, 2013 9:27 AM Cc: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] pidip I just finished cleaning up both pdp and pidip libs to be fully auto-buildable as part of pd-l2ork (including freenect, artoolkit, opencv, etc.). There are a number of packages you need to install from launchpad in ord

Re: [PD] pidip

2013-02-06 Thread Pagano, Patrick
-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] pidip I just finished cleaning up both pdp and pidip libs to be fully auto-buildable as part of pd-l2ork (including freenect, artoolkit, opencv, etc.). There are a number of packages you need to install from launchpad in order to get all the externals to build

Re: [PD] pidip

2013-02-06 Thread Ivica Ico Bukvic
I just finished cleaning up both pdp and pidip libs to be fully auto-buildable as part of pd-l2ork (including freenect, artoolkit, opencv, etc.). There are a number of packages you need to install from launchpad in order to get all the externals to build. Stay tuned for the next release coming

Re: [PD] pidip

2013-02-06 Thread Lorenzo Sutton
wrote: how is this possible using linux? I have kept my 42.5 for OSX pp From: pd-list-boun...@iem.at [pd-list-boun...@iem.at] on behalf of Hans-Christoph Steiner [h...@at.or.at] Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 11:02 PM To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD

Re: [PD] pidip

2013-02-04 Thread Pagano, Patrick
, 2013 4:31 PM To: Hans-Christoph Steiner; pd-list@iem.at Cc: ydego...@free.fr; ll...@artefacte.org Subject: Re: [PD] pidip Hello FWIW. I used the pdp-0.12-6 sources and the pd43 sources to build pidip from CVS Then I created paths for pidip/modules, pidip/patches and pidip/morphology Then

Re: [PD] pidip

2013-02-04 Thread Pagano, Patrick
Hello FWIW. I used the pdp-0.12-6 sources and the pd43 sources to build pidip from CVS Then I created paths for pidip/modules, pidip/patches and pidip/morphology Then created a startup -lib/home//pidip/pidip And it mostly all works Only thing I could not get working was pdp_freenect Everyth

Re: [PD] pidip

2013-02-04 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
X > pp > > > From: pd-list-boun...@iem.at [pd-list-boun...@iem.at] on behalf of > Hans-Christoph Steiner [h...@at.or.at] > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 11:02 PM > To: pd-list@iem.at > Subject: Re: [PD] pidip > > You can take the 'pidip' f

Re: [PD] pidip

2013-02-04 Thread Pagano, Patrick
how is this possible using linux? I have kept my 42.5 for OSX pp From: pd-list-boun...@iem.at [pd-list-boun...@iem.at] on behalf of Hans-Christoph Steiner [h...@at.or.at] Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 11:02 PM To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] pidip

Re: [PD] pidip

2013-02-03 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
You can take the 'pidip' folder out of Pd-extended 0.42.5 and install it like any library, and it'll work. Otherwise, I suggest you have a private conversation with Yves. .hc On 02/03/2013 09:10 PM, Pagano, Patrick wrote: > i notice that pidip is not in the new pdextended > is there a way we ca

[PD] pidip

2013-02-03 Thread Pagano, Patrick
i notice that pidip is not in the new pdextended is there a way we can reconcile this without huge tantrums and bullshit? pp ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] pidip pdp_vloopback error

2011-09-26 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-09-26 14:34, Ricardo Brazileiro wrote: > hello, > > i think i have problems in pidip library after compile pd-extended in > ubuntu-11.04 64bits. > > PDP: pure data packet version 0.12.6 > /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/pidip/pidip.pd_linux: > /us

Re: [PD] pidip pdp_vloopback error

2011-09-26 Thread ALAN BROOKER
Hi One thing that always caught me out was loading the pidip binary before Gem or PDP, go to media>preferences>start up and make sure Gem & PDP are loaded on the list first before pidip hope this makes sense best Al On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Ricardo Brazileiro wrote: > hello, > > i t

[PD] pidip pdp_vloopback error

2011-09-26 Thread Ricardo Brazileiro
hello, i think i have problems in pidip library after compile pd-extended in ubuntu-11.04 64bits. PDP: pure data packet version 0.12.6 /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/pidip/pidip.pd_linux: /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/pidip/pidip.pd_linux: undefined symbol: pdp_vloopback_setup pidip: can't load library

Re: [PD] pidip error color mode

2010-12-30 Thread Jose Luis Santorcuato
_ > From: pd-list-boun...@iem.at [pd-list-boun...@iem.at] On Behalf Of Pagano, > Patrick [...@digitalworlds.ufl.edu] > Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 8:27 AM > To: Jose Luis Santorcuato; PD List > Subject: Re: [PD] pidip error color mode > > switch to 1 > > > _

Re: [PD] pidip error color mode

2010-12-30 Thread Pagano, Patrick
: Jose Luis Santorcuato; PD List Subject: Re: [PD] pidip error color mode switch to 1 From: pd-list-boun...@iem.at [pd-list-boun...@iem.at] On Behalf Of Jose Luis Santorcuato [santorcuat...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 8:11 AM To: PD List

Re: [PD] pidip error color mode

2010-12-30 Thread Pagano, Patrick
Berg [b...@spacedout.nl] Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 8:27 AM To: Jose Luis Santorcuato Cc: PD List Subject: Re: [PD] pidip error color mode On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 14:11, Jose Luis Santorcuato mailto:santorcuat...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi all, I am working with the library PiDiP,

Re: [PD] pidip error color mode

2010-12-30 Thread Pagano, Patrick
switch to 1 From: pd-list-boun...@iem.at [pd-list-boun...@iem.at] On Behalf Of Jose Luis Santorcuato [santorcuat...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 8:11 AM To: PD List Subject: [PD] pidip error color mode Hi all, I am working with the

Re: [PD] pidip camera settings high fps

2010-12-29 Thread Jose Luis Santorcuato
Hello list, everything works, now I wondered if it was possible to change the size of the catch, I have a camera that captures from 640 to 1024, but low fps, I would like to capture at 30 fps and 640, if the capture is small I can run at 30 fps, you can adjust the dimensions? with pdp_scale suffice

[PD] pidip camera settings high fps

2010-12-29 Thread Jose Luis Santorcuato
Hello list, everything works, now I wondered if it was possible to change the size of the catch, I have a camera that captures from 640 to 1024, but low fps, I would like to capture at 30 fps and 640, catch smaller setear possible dimensions? with pdp_scale suffice? Best regards José -- http://

Re: [PD] pidip error color mode

2010-12-29 Thread Jose Luis Santorcuato
Hi, thanks, I solved the web camera connection, but has a considerable latency, the features are: ubuntu lucid 10.04, pentium 4 at 2.66 and 2 gb ram, NVIDIA GeForce 6200, goes slow, very slow, the system takes 5 minutes to start, and the latency of the camera is obvious, what camera you recommend?,

Re: [PD] pidip error color mode

2010-12-29 Thread Jose Luis Santorcuato
Yes, i used that...maybe i dont considered v4l2ill try and comment... Thanks José 2010/12/29 Bastiaan van den Berg : > On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 14:11, Jose Luis Santorcuato > wrote: >> >> Hi all, I am working with the library PiDiP, I have previously worked >> with osx and linux ubuntu, had

Re: [PD] pidip error color mode

2010-12-29 Thread Bastiaan van den Berg
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 14:11, Jose Luis Santorcuato < santorcuat...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, I am working with the library PiDiP, I have previously worked > with osx and linux ubuntu, had worked with the netbook acer and had no > problems, but now I get the following error when trying to open

[PD] pidip error color mode

2010-12-29 Thread Jose Luis Santorcuato
Hi all, I am working with the library PiDiP, I have previously worked with osx and linux ubuntu, had worked with the netbook acer and had no problems, but now I get the following error when trying to open the video window (i want to show a live video from webcam, easy in olds projects): pdp_v4l2:

Re: [PD] [PD-dev] pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-19 Thread ydego...@gmail.com
ola, Just wondering, now that PiDiP does not have a 'free' license, does that mean I could get into trouble if I use [pdp_ctrack] and/or [pdp_mgrid] in patches for potential use in a commercial theatre performance or other kind of installation? What does commercial mean in this regard, is it ok i

Re: [PD] [PD-dev] pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-19 Thread Menno van der Woude
Hi, the discussion on licensing is quite new to me, hope this question makes any sense... Just wondering, now that PiDiP does not have a 'free' license, does that mean I could get into trouble if I use [pdp_ctrack] and/or [pdp_mgrid] in patches for potential use in a commercial theatre performanc

Re: [PD] [PD-dev] pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-14 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010, João Pais wrote: On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:38:27 +0100, ydego...@free.fr wrote: after having been called 'fascist' here on this list or someone making useless shit, etc i'm the one offending the others... when did this happen exactly? do you have a link? When one says

Re: [PD] [PD-dev] pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-14 Thread João Pais
On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:38:27 +0100, ydego...@free.fr wrote: yeh classical ... after having been called 'fascist' here on this list or someone making useless shit, etc i'm the one offending the others... when did this happen exactly? do you have a link? the only reference I find is at

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-13 Thread Jose Luis Santorcuato
Thanks Mathieu, well, I've been tracking with pix_background and pix_blob, also with the controversial PiDiP library, is very sad to have problems... but...life ... I programming on processing and arduino and yet can not understand all the code a gridflow,I spent so not much time, I teach in the un

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-13 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, Jose Luis Santorcuato wrote: Gridflow have also recommended, but still can not quite decipher the code. What can I answer to this ? (Can you ask some specific questions instead ?) ___ | Mathieu Bouchard -

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-13 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Sun, 12 Dec 2010, Husk 00 wrote: On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Some of us have restrictions about the use of software. If our contract says we have to teach only free software (because the course is explicitly about free software, for example), we can't teach pidip

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-12 Thread Husk 00
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > On Thu, 9 Dec 2010, Husk 00 wrote: > >> You have many tools to don't run into problematic issue during workshops. >> I mean, always you will find an alternative to an object that suit your >> needs on your platform. The solution is not ban

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-12 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Sun, 12 Dec 2010, ydego...@gmail.com wrote: Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Look at this -> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html everybody should be 'free' to carry a gun, someone said You are «free» to be besides the point. _

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-12 Thread ydego...@gmail.com
patrick wrote: On 10-12-12 05:45 AM, Derek Holzer wrote: I had two very disappointed workshoppers last week trying to get [playlist] for windows. AFAIK it used to work pre-PDx many years ago, maybe that was when a windows DLL was still available. D. maybe they can use mtl/gBrowser.. under u

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-12 Thread patrick
On 10-12-12 05:45 AM, Derek Holzer wrote: I had two very disappointed workshoppers last week trying to get [playlist] for windows. AFAIK it used to work pre-PDx many years ago, maybe that was when a windows DLL was still available. D. maybe they can use mtl/gBrowser.. under ui in mtl/browser

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-12 Thread ydego...@gmail.com
Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Thu, 9 Dec 2010, Husk 00 wrote: You have many tools to don't run into problematic issue during workshops. I mean, always you will find an alternative to an object that suit your needs on your platform. The solution is not ban windows as not ban pidip or unauthorize.

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-12 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Tue, 7 Dec 2010, Jose Luis Santorcuato wrote: Mathieu Bouchard wrote :   I don't quite understand why people do motion detection with squares like that. I use a generic motion detection that gets me the centre of the motion, and then when I rescale the values, it may split the possible res

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-12 Thread patko
it's not playlist~ that has been windozified by Krzysztof Czaja, it's Scrolllist. He has been murdered by sevy since he did that or what? - ydego...@gmail.com a écrit : > it could not be > all code is heavily unix-bounded > > you had good LSD? > > sevy > > Derek Holzer wrote: > > I ha

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-12 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Thu, 9 Dec 2010, Husk 00 wrote: You have many tools to don't run into problematic issue during workshops. I mean, always you will find an alternative to an object that suit your needs on your platform. The solution is not ban windows as not ban pidip or unauthorize. Is just talk about alter

Re: [PD] [PD-dev] pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-11 Thread ydego...@gmail.com
ala, Then you come and start to offend _people_ (WTF you think calling people fascists???), your message is totally non-sense, _i_ was called fascist here for not wanting things to work on windows and not recommending it so read backwards, and please read before releasing your [more than classi

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-11 Thread ydego...@gmail.com
it could not be all code is heavily unix-bounded you had good LSD? sevy Derek Holzer wrote: I had two very disappointed workshoppers last week trying to get [playlist] for windows. AFAIK it used to work pre-PDx many years ago, maybe that was when a windows DLL was still available. D. On 12

Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-11 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Sat, 11 Dec 2010, Martin . wrote: But, we could also conclude that war/military is commercial, at least in the sense that war is waged for profit, and thus GPL should do GPL is not noncommercial. The GPL even forbids a noncommercial clause to be added. ___

Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-11 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
The GPL doesn't restrict people from doing commercial business with the software (although v3 does try to restrict certain types of monkey business). -Jonathan --- On Sat, 12/11/10, Martin . wrote: From: Martin . Subject: Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian To: "PD List" Date: Sat

Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-11 Thread ALAN BROOKER
I agree but how could such a term ever be enforced if the military were to use it? Through litigation? IMO such a term is unenforceable ... arguably making it redundant-although I am happy to hear other's point of view? On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Martin . wrote: > +1 for including the lin

Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-11 Thread Martin .
+1 for including the line about military use in pd's license. That will make us all happy. And the military then has to use maxmsp. Though, I assume it means military institutions and not my own militant guerilla art. But, we could also conclude that war/military is commercial, at least in the se

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-11 Thread Derek Holzer
I had two very disappointed workshoppers last week trying to get [playlist] for windows. AFAIK it used to work pre-PDx many years ago, maybe that was when a windows DLL was still available. D. On 12/11/10 9:28 PM, João Pais wrote: i will check again but the last time i used cooled~ or playlis

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-11 Thread João Pais
i will check again but the last time i used cooled~ or playlist~ they did not work cross platform they don't, probably are the only ones (don't know by heart) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredat

Re: [PD] [PD-dev] pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-11 Thread András Murányi
> Bernardo Barros wrote: >> >>2010/12/4 Mathieu Bouchard>>: >> >> >>It's because GPL is for hippies, or something. >> >>It's the other way around. BSD is hippier: >>Someone in Berkley smoked marijuana and said: >>"he

Re: [PD] [PD-dev] pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-11 Thread ydego...@free.fr
András Murányi wrote: On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 5:17 AM, ydego...@gmail.com > wrote: Bernardo Barros wrote: 2010/12/4 Mathieu Bouchardmailto:ma...@artengine.ca>>: It's because GPL is for hippies, or something.

Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-10 Thread ydego...@gmail.com
Bernardo Barros wrote: 2010/12/4 Mathieu Bouchard: It's because GPL is for hippies, or something. It's the other way around. BSD is hippier: Someone in Berkley smoked marijuana and said: "hey man, let's just give it away, who cares what people will do with it, let them turn this into

Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-10 Thread Bernardo Barros
2010/12/4 Mathieu Bouchard : > It's because GPL is for hippies, or something. It's the other way around. BSD is hippier: Someone in Berkley smoked marijuana and said: "hey man, let's just give it away, who cares what people will do with it, let them turn this into proprietary or whatever". I don'

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-10 Thread Pagano, Patrick
dego...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 12:02 PM To: Hans-Christoph Steiner Cc: pd-list Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > > On Dec 9, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > >> >&g

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-10 Thread ydego...@gmail.com
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Dec 9, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: --- On Thu, 12/9/10, Pagano, Patrick wrote: From: Pagano, Patrick Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian To: "Husk 00" , "Derek Holzer"

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-10 Thread Patrick Pagano
pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd- pidip into Debian To: "Husk 00", "Derek Holzer" Cc: "pd-list" Date: Thursday, December 9, 2010, 2:29 PM i just recently had to re-write an important patch w/o grid and playlist~ because of this when i was starting out in linux i thought t

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-10 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Dec 9, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: --- On Thu, 12/9/10, Pagano, Patrick wrote: From: Pagano, Patrick Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd- pidip into Debian To: "Husk 00" , "Derek Holzer" Cc: "pd-list" Date:

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-09 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
--- On Thu, 12/9/10, Pagano, Patrick wrote: > From: Pagano, Patrick > Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into > Debian > To: "Husk 00" , "Derek Holzer" > Cc: "pd-list" > Date: Thursday, December 9, 20

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-09 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
__ From: pd-list-boun...@iem.at [pd-list-boun...@iem.at] On Behalf Of Husk 00 [hus...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 5:42 AM To: Derek Holzer Cc: pd-list Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd- pidip into Debian On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Dere

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-09 Thread Pagano, Patrick
__ From: pd-list-boun...@iem.at [pd-list-boun...@iem.at] On Behalf Of Husk 00 [hus...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 5:42 AM To: Derek Holzer Cc: pd-list Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 11:23 A

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-09 Thread Husk 00
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Derek Holzer wrote: > Another problem with this lib is the lack of Windows binaries > in PDx, I've run into this issue at workshops before. Obviously I am not > fascist enough to ban windows from my workshops! ;-) You have many tools to don't run into problematic

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-09 Thread Derek Holzer
You probably mean [grid], another of Degoyon's objects from the unauthorized lib. This means it could have the same potential problems for inclusion in PDx as PiDiP. Another problem with this lib is the lack of Windows binaries in PDx, I've run into this issue at workshops before. Obviously I a

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-08 Thread Jose Luis Santorcuato
> > and then just break it down into a grid. >> > >> > .hc >> > >> > On Dec 7, 2010, at 10:54 PM, Pagano, Patrick wrote: >> > >> >> lets make a replacement patch. where shall we begin? >> >> >> >> pp >> >> _____

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-08 Thread Jack
:54 PM, Pagano, Patrick wrote: > > > >> lets make a replacement patch. where shall we begin? > >> > >> pp > >> > >> From: pd-list-boun...@iem.at [pd-list-boun...@iem.at] On Behalf Of Derek > >> Holze

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-08 Thread Jose Luis Santorcuato
t;> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 4:32 PM >> To: pd-list@iem.at >> Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into >> Debian >> >> Motion tracking can be done easily in GEM with a combination of >> [pix-background] to create

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-08 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
begin? pp From: pd-list-boun...@iem.at [pd-list-boun...@iem.at] On Behalf Of Derek Holzer [de...@umatic.nl] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 4:32 PM To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd- pidip into Debian

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-08 Thread Jose Luis Santorcuato
; > pp > > From: pd-list-boun...@iem.at [pd-list-boun...@iem.at] On Behalf Of Derek > Holzer [de...@umatic.nl] > Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 4:32 PM > To: pd-list@iem.at > Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into > Debian > > M

Re: [PD] motion tracking in GEM (WAS) new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-08 Thread Jack
Le mardi 07 décembre 2010 à 17:32 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : > Also check in Gem examples, Help -> Browser -> > > Gem -> examples -> 04.video -> 06.frame_diff_tracking and > 07.bg_subtract_tracking, Why there is a [pix_delay 1] in 06.frame_diff_tracking ? For simple tracking,

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-07 Thread Pagano, Patrick
and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian Motion tracking can be done easily in GEM with a combination of [pix-background] to create a histrogram showing only changed pixel values, and [pix_blob] to track the center of gravity of those changed values. D. On 12/7/10 6:43 PM, Jose Luis Santorcuato

Re: [PD] motion tracking in GEM (WAS) new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-07 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Also check in Gem examples, Help -> Browser -> Gem -> examples -> 04.video -> 06.frame_diff_tracking and 07.bg_subtract_tracking, Manuals -> 2.Image -> 17.tracking .hc -- Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 23:34 +0200, "Derek Holzer" wrote: > See atta

[PD] motion tracking in GEM (WAS) new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-07 Thread Derek Holzer
See attached path by Ben Bogart. D. On 12/7/10 11:32 PM, Derek Holzer wrote: Motion tracking can be done easily in GEM with a combination of [pix-background] to create a histrogram showing only changed pixel values, and [pix_blob] to track the center of gravity of those changed values. -- :::

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-07 Thread Derek Holzer
Motion tracking can be done easily in GEM with a combination of [pix-background] to create a histrogram showing only changed pixel values, and [pix_blob] to track the center of gravity of those changed values. D. On 12/7/10 6:43 PM, Jose Luis Santorcuato wrote: I don't quite understand why p

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-07 Thread Jose Luis Santorcuato
I don't quite understand why people do motion detection with squares like that. I use a generic motion detection that gets me the centre of the motion, and then when I rescale the values, it may split the possible results into bands or squares because of rounding (if I quantise them). Hi all!, wh

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-07 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Tue, 7 Dec 2010, Pagano, Patrick wrote: pdp_mgrid I don't quite understand why people do motion detection with squares like that. I use a generic motion detection that gets me the centre of the motion, and then when I rescale the values, it may split the possible results into bands or sq

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-07 Thread Pagano, Patrick
Holzer [de...@umatic.nl] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 5:36 AM To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian What is there exactly in PiDiP that people need so badly? The (IMHO ugly) video filters from EffecTV? Or the streaming part? In

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-07 Thread Jose Luis Santorcuato
Hi list!, PiDiP In my humble opinion is a great tool for video work, a complement to or Gem or Gridflow and actually doing would be a shame to stay out of pd extended. I like the possibilities of interaction and partnership with OpenCV ... is a penalty if it is not in pd, but is also addressing th

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-07 Thread Derek Holzer
What is there exactly in PiDiP that people need so badly? The (IMHO ugly) video filters from EffecTV? Or the streaming part? In either case, the solution seems simple to me. PDP itself isn't really being maintained AFAIK, and isn't completely cross-platform anyways, so why not just implement w

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-07 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
--- On Tue, 12/7/10, Andy Farnell wrote: > From: Andy Farnell > Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into > Debian > To: pd-list@iem.at > Date: Tuesday, December 7, 2010, 9:50 AM > You could be forgiven. The effort to > forge this confu

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-07 Thread Andy Farnell
You could be forgiven. The effort to forge this confusion is one of the defining propaganda campaigns of the 21st Century. There are lawyers out there who don't know the difference. On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 20:54:19 -0500 (EST) Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > On Mon, 6 Dec 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrot

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-06 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Mon, 6 Dec 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Its not "illegal" because its a not about laws, but rather copyright licenses, which is more like contracts, i.e. agreements between private parties. Right. I used the wrong word. I'm sorry. __

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-06 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
athieu Bouchard [ma...@artengine.ca] Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 8:59 AM To: Pagano, Patrick Cc: Hans-Christoph Steiner; ydego...@gmail.com; pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd- pidip into Debian On Mon, 6 Dec 2010, Pagano, Patrick wrote: So what d

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-06 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Mon, 6 Dec 2010, Pagano, Patrick wrote: illegal where? Globally? Anywhere it is that licenses written by non-lawyers mean anything. Which means, pretty much everywhere copyright laws may apply today. What of fair use? Fair use traditionally overrides *any* license, thus if you know yo

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-06 Thread Pagano, Patrick
unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian On Mon, 6 Dec 2010, Pagano, Patrick wrote: > So what does this really mean? We have to go back to building pidip from > source if we want to use it? has it changed that much from when it was > released? I am just starting to get students interested in

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-06 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: * You can't license your software to prohibit use by T7 countries, but you can include clauses to note the requirements placed on the licensee by the US Government, and state that users should abide by all applicable laws. But this can't app

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-06 Thread Andy Farnell
Ouch, my eyes! http://www.352media.com/rantingandraving/CMFiles/Images/CapsLock.jpg Shouting in caps lock doen't make it LEGAL!!!11! or something :) On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 08:42:03 -0500 (EST) Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, John Harrison wrote: > > > I was curious, since EffecT

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-06 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Mon, 6 Dec 2010, Pagano, Patrick wrote: So what does this really mean? We have to go back to building pidip from source if we want to use it? has it changed that much from when it was released? I am just starting to get students interested in learning these objects and would like to continu

Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-06 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Yeah, I think that's the case, its been discussed before: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-ot/2006-01/001371.html But legally, the way that it goes, is that licenses have to be explicitly produced by the respective copyright holders, so

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