Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released

2023-06-21 Thread Christof Ressi
anyhow, this is not something i think worth spending my time on. Agreed :) ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released

2023-06-21 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig
On 6/21/23 21:25, Christof Ressi wrote: Also, I just wiped my Pd preferences on macOS and started the new app. The preferences are indeed tabbed by default, ah thanks for confirming. good to know it works. but strangely "Tabbed preferences" is not ticked (unlike on Windows). the value is "

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released

2023-06-21 Thread Christof Ressi
To make things more fun, the TclTk included in the mac/stuff/ (which is the version that most people will get when building the app themselves) is one that crashed for me. Side note: we should really update the prototypes for macOS and Windows at one point. msw/pdprototype.tgz still contains Tc

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released

2023-06-21 Thread Christof Ressi
Also, I just wiped my Pd preferences on macOS and started the new app. The preferences are indeed tabbed by default, but strangely "Tabbed preferences" is not ticked (unlike on Windows). Except for that little quirk everything seems to work as intended. Sorry again for the confusion! Christo

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released

2023-06-21 Thread Christof Ressi
maybe it's after all some weird configuration on your side? A... yes. I just started with -noprefs and now Pd opens with tabbed preferences enabled by default. Sorry for the noise! Anyway, nice work! :) On 21.06.2023 21:08, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: On 6/21/23 20:18, Christof Ressi wrote:

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released

2023-06-21 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig
On 6/21/23 20:18, Christof Ressi wrote: Anyway, my take-away is that a simple runtime check for Tcl/Tk 8.x+ could be a viable solution. This pretty much exactly describes what is happening in the current master branch. I'm slightly baffled that the default is to*not* use tabs, because iirc

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released

2023-06-21 Thread Christof Ressi
Anyway, my take-away is that a simple runtime check for Tcl/Tk 8.x+ could be a viable solution. This pretty much exactly describes what is happening in the current master branch. I'm slightly baffled that the default is to*not* use tabs, because iirc it should use them. But then, the choi

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released

2023-06-21 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig
Am 21. Juni 2023 12:42:25 MESZ schrieb Dan Wilcox : >I think min Tk version for macOS and tabs should be 8.6.10 or 11. We may >possible also need an os version check, hopefully not. My code explicitly checks for TclTk<<8.6.12 (and >= 8.6), so I think I tested and it crashed with 8.6.11. To ma

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released

2023-06-21 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres
Here's something else that came up... what to do in binops with multichannels of different sizes? https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/issues/2009 Em qua., 21 de jun. de 2023 às 13:42, IOhannes m zmölnig escreveu: > Am 21. Juni 2023 13:42:48 MESZ schrieb Christof Ressi < > i...@christofressi.c

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released

2023-06-21 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig
Am 21. Juni 2023 13:42:48 MESZ schrieb Christof Ressi : >Thanks for clarifying! > >Anyway, my take-away is that a simple runtime check for Tcl/Tk 8.x+ could be a >viable solution. This pretty much exactly describes what is happening in the current master branch. I'm slightly baffled that the d

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released

2023-06-21 Thread Dan Wilcox
Yup, and we already have such checks for the ttk stuff at the top of pd-gui.tcl. If tabs aren’t supported, then dialogs and their related menu items should be added, otherwise the single menu item for the preferences. enohp ym morf tnes --- Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com > O

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released

2023-06-21 Thread Christof Ressi
Thanks for clarifying! Anyway, my take-away is that a simple runtime check for Tcl/Tk 8.x+ could be a viable solution. On 21.06.2023 13:39, Dan Wilcox wrote: It nominally uses the Tk frameworks in the .app bundle *but* someone could always build using a different Tk which could lead to issue

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released

2023-06-21 Thread Dan Wilcox
It nominally uses the Tk frameworks in the .app bundle *but* someone could always build using a different Tk which could lead to issues. Also, people trying to run Pd on the command line from the build folder without making an app bundle end up using the system Tk. This works ok for testing basi

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released : [plot] visibility

2023-06-21 Thread Christof Ressi
Thanks for the report! I can also confirm this for other drawing instructions. I have opened a ticket on GitHub: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/issues/2007 On 21.06.2023 13:01, ro...@dds.nl wrote: Windows 11 create [plot], open plot-help, open plot-template. the visibility examples

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released : [plot] visibility

2023-06-21 Thread rolfm
Windows 11 create [plot], open plot-help, open plot-template. the visibility examples only have visible effect when changing the size of the plot-data window! (in my own, more complicated, use of graphs i have to move the cursor in and out of the graph-'window'). rolf___

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released

2023-06-21 Thread Christof Ressi
The "Save All Settings" buttons are redundant in the tabbed preferences because hitting "Apply" or "Ok" already does that. On 20.06.2023 22:50, Lucas Cordiviola wrote: We are missing a "Save All Settings" button on the tabbed prefs for "Audio" and "MIDI" tabs. -- Mensaje telepatico asist

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released

2023-06-21 Thread Christof Ressi
Thanks for chiming in! Tabs should default unless a min version check on the platform fails. That's what I figured. especially the buggy one that used to be included with macOS itself. Wouldn't the Pd app prefer the bundled Tk version? (I don't know these things work on macOS.) Christof O

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released

2023-06-21 Thread Dan Wilcox
I think min Tk version for macOS and tabs should be 8.6.10 or 11. We may possible also need an os version check, hopefully not. The main thing to avoid is if anyone runs an older Tk 8.6, especially the buggy one that used to be included with macOS itself. enohp ym morf tnes --- Dan Wilc

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released

2023-06-21 Thread Dan Wilcox
I agree. Tabs should default unless a min version check on the platform fails. The original suggestion for making the option to still host dialogs in windows was mine, I believe, large for this reason, ie. building for OS X 10.6 and Tk 8.4 which doesn’t have the tabs widget. enohp ym morf tnes

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-0 test 1 released

2023-06-21 Thread Christof Ressi
basically, because some TclTk versions on macOS would just crash when using tabs. Wow, Tk never ceases to amaze me... Does this also happen with the Tcl/Tk version that is included in the "official" macOS app bundle? Could we do a runtime check for specific Tcl/Tk versions that are known to