Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread John Celio
I missed anything about AF -- what did he say about it? Better AF performance and an evolution of the K-mount. It is generally interpreted as meaning USM. Then it's a poor interpretation. There is nothing to suggest Pentax has come up with a new focusing system. Nothing but hyped-up rumors

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread John Celio
Thats all. $900. $800 body only, which is how I suspect you will buy it. I was under the impression, and again i'm way off it seems, that the K10D was a big body camera, that would take a run at the D2X, the MK II etc. This boggles my mind. If you'd been paying attention to the photos from

Re: GESO: McKenzie Country

2006-08-05 Thread David Mann
On Aug 4, 2006, at 10:37 PM, Don Williams wrote: I find the buttons too small and indistinct. They are also not where you would expect them to be. The pictures are great. Thanks for the feedback (and to everyone else). I'll take a look at the buttons later... - Dave -- PDML

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Jack Davis
Does it bother anyone else that the K1D may shortly follow? Of course I wouldn't absolutely need it, but for just a few hundred more and with that larger sensor, etc..etc.. I don't need two. Learned that from my wife. :-( Jack --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/4/2006 7:02:48

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Jorgen at epixx
As a lurker on this incredibly active forum, let me share a few points of view as seen from a non-Pentax user, as that mat say something about market potential for Pentax. I currently use a Fuji S3, and am looking for a second system. What is unique to me about Pentax is: - Compact, fast, high

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread John Celio
Does it bother anyone else that the K1D may shortly follow? Of course I wouldn't absolutely need it, but for just a few hundred more and with that larger sensor, etc..etc.. What bothers me is where you got that crazy idea. There is no such thing as a K1D, and even if there were, it wouldn't

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Aaron Reynolds
No, I'm with you too. If a larger sensor 35mm style camera were coming from Pentax, their new lenses would be rendered useless. Why would they do that to themselves? -Aaron -Original Message- From: John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: K10D - More News Date: Sat Aug 5, 2006 3:43

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Aaron Reynolds
While you're right that pro representation is slim, your store doesn't have the glass because your store didn't order the glass -- end of story. Call them up and check on availability. What they don't have in stock can be brought in from Japan (or the Philippines, where apparently they're

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Paul Stenquist
I agree. It's bizarre. Pentax never implied they were building a camera to challenge the MK II end of the market. I'm not disappointed by the price positioning. Rather pleased in fact. Surprised, but pleased. Paul On Aug 5, 2006, at 2:06 AM, John Celio wrote: Thats all. $900. $800 body only,

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Paul Stenquist
That thought crossed my mind as well. But I think any further upgrade is at least a year away. I'll by the K10. If we get a K1 down the road, I'll sell my other D and pick up one of those. I do need two cameras. Don't expect a larger sensor in any Pentax camera other than the 645D. The lens

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread cbwaters
If that's the case, My D is for sale. CW - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Well, if it delivers on all we were expecting AND sells for $800, it will be a definite coup for Pentax. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Mark Roberts
Aaron Reynolds wrote: No, I'm with you too. If a larger sensor 35mm style camera were coming from Pentax, their new lenses would be rendered useless. Why would they do that to themselves? And encourage us to buy new lenses? Gosh, no! -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread David J Brooks
First off, I never saw any pictures of the camera. If someone posted some, they never made it to my mailbox. I don't seem to get everyyhing. Secondly, if they didi make a D2h equivalent, i would buy one for my horse work, if it had higher buffer and write speeds then the D. Thirdly, i have

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread David J Brooks
Some time last fall or very early this year, i saw a picture on the net, and the bosy design was of a much bigger camera then we have now. Maybe they changed the design or it was just a first run mock up. Never know i quess. I was just interested in something to replace the D2H and use

Re: McKenzie Country

2006-08-05 Thread cbwaters
Really very nice photos. Pity they're not bigger on my screen. CW - Original Message - From: David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 6:21 AM Subject: GESO: McKenzie Country Hi all, I've recently finished a long-overdue

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Thibouille
IMO the K10 is nothing else than a D replacement maybe with a couple added features but nothing else. 2006/8/4, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well, I've only actually seen photos of the latest build of it, courtesy of my Pentax rep, but at least I've got a little more information for you

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Mark Roberts
Mark Roberts wrote: Aaron Reynolds wrote: No, I'm with you too. If a larger sensor 35mm style camera were coming from Pentax, their new lenses would be rendered useless. Why would they do that to themselves? And encourage us to buy new lenses? Gosh, no! Nikon, by the way, is working on a

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Paul Stenquist
Hi Dave, The big body you saw was probably the 645D. I'm not a fan of tiny bodies either, but the D with the grip fits me well enough. Plus, when I have two of them hanging around my neck packed with 16 batteries, I'm happy that they aren't any larger or heavier than they are. Paul On Aug 5,

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Aaron Reynolds Subject: Re: K10D - More News While you're right that pro representation is slim, your store doesn't have the glass because your store didn't order the glass -- end of story. Call them up and check on availability. What they don't have

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: K10D - More News [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe we're seeing movement in the digital camera market. Perhaps well speced cameras are now going to be commonly available for $800. I've always thought that the mature market

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Cory Papenfuss
to the contrary. If Pentax comes out with (and actually delivers to consumers) a 35mm-type dSLR in the next couple years that has a sensor larger than what is in their current line, I'll print out and eat this email. Headers and all? :) Seriously though... I don't

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: John Celio Subject: Re: K10D - More News Am I the only person being driven nuts by all the incredibly irrational speculation going on around here? You are still a relative newcomer. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: K10D - More News Aaron Reynolds wrote: No, I'm with you too. If a larger sensor 35mm style camera were coming from Pentax, their new lenses would be rendered useless. Why would they do that to themselves? And encourage us to

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Pål Jensen
- Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree. It's bizarre. Pentax never implied they were building a camera to challenge the MK II end of the market. Actually, they did say that they were building a semi-pro digital camera in the $2000 segment. They also said

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Jack Davis
Mercy, Gentlemen! I was actually thinking of a more pixel rich sensor. The symbolic name, K1D happened to come from someones earlier speculative post which, for some reason, didn't seem to stir such disgust. Never mind! Get some rest. Jack --- Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I'm

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Jack Davis
Actually, I totally agree, Paul. I miss-spoke by using the term larger sensor. What I was 'thinking'(?) was a more highly pixel packed sensor. No way would I consider waiting for a 35mm sensor from Pentax. Appreciate your thoughts. Jack --- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread P. J. Alling
To sell more lenses obviously. Aaron Reynolds wrote: No, I'm with you too. If a larger sensor 35mm style camera were coming from Pentax, their new lenses would be rendered useless. Why would they do that to themselves? -Aaron -Original Message- From: John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Jack Davis
It's a marketing thing. Establish a market, then float a new and improved version, relegating the 'old' to the equivalent of brand X. I'm not contending that this ploy is, necessarily, in motion at this point, but... Jack --- William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Bob Shell
On Aug 5, 2006, at 9:09 AM, Pål Jensen wrote: They also said that they would make DSLR's in all segments and also eventually make the DSLR equivalent to a sportscar (whatever that means). 0 to 1/60th second in twelve seconds flat. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread P. J. Alling
Yep, if he stays long enough he'll no longer be being driven nuts, he will be nuts. (Lots of bes there). William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: John Celio Subject: Re: K10D - More News Am I the only person being driven nuts by all the incredibly irrational speculation

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Jack Davis
Well said! Jack --- Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 5, 2006, at 9:09 AM, Pål Jensen wrote: They also said that they would make DSLR's in all segments and also eventually make the DSLR equivalent to a sportscar (whatever that means). 0 to 1/60th second in twelve seconds

Re: PESO: Chipmunk Flare

2006-08-05 Thread Russell Kerstetter
nice capture Jack, it makes me lol russell On 8/4/06, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is all about a cute accident. At Bryce Canyon, UT, several years back, my wife was 'playing' with a chipmunk by placing bits of Ritz crackers on a pine root. (Probably a Chipmunk nutritional NO

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread P. J. Alling
Would they all of the new lenses be rendered useless? If they were wouldn't that create a market for the line of reformulated and re packaged DFA lenses that have full frame 35mm coverage. Is anyone asking for the same sensor density that the current cameras have to keep digital noise under

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread mike wilson
From: Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/08/05 Sat PM 01:40:17 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: K10D - More News On Aug 5, 2006, at 9:09 AM, Pål Jensen wrote: They also said that they would make DSLR's in all segments and also eventually make the

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Jack Davis
Anyone read/heard what the K10D frame rate might be? If so, I likely missed it. Thanks, Jack --- mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/08/05 Sat PM 01:40:17 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: K10D - More News

Re: PESO: Chipmunk Flare

2006-08-05 Thread Jack Davis
I know. The luck of it makes me laugh. When the mirror returned, there was nothing. Thought I might have a fur streak. Thanks. Jack --- Russell Kerstetter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nice capture Jack, it makes me lol russell On 8/4/06, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is all

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Thibouille
especially for a company that relies on third parties to produce them. -Cory Having a shring ressources on lens development with a third party isn't the same as relying on a third party for lens development IMO. Other brands have been rebadging lenses quite a bit (Nikon, KM, Sony, Panasonic

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Adam Maas
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: K10D - More News [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe we're seeing movement in the digital camera market. Perhaps well speced cameras are now going to be commonly available for $800. I've always thought

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread P. J. Alling
I don't remember where I read it, but it was supposed to be ~3fps 10 frames Jpeg, ~3fps 5 frames raw. Since I might have seen that here you can make your own judgment. Jack Davis wrote: Anyone read/heard what the K10D frame rate might be? If so, I likely missed it. Thanks, Jack --- mike

FA* 200mm f4 Macro??

2006-08-05 Thread David Savage
G'day All, This is a bit of a hail Mary, but have any of you come across the above mentioned lens for sale? I realise that it's been discontinued, but I have been hoping there may be a few units still floating around. I've been pulling what's left of my hair out trying to track one down, but so

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Jack Davis
HECK!! Well, since you may have seen it here, I'll continue to hope for more. :) Thanks, Jack --- P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't remember where I read it, but it was supposed to be ~3fps 10 frames Jpeg, ~3fps 5 frames raw. Since I might have seen that here you can make

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Mark Roberts
William Robb wrote: My concern is that I know that well built, good quality equipment costs extra to produce. A build and finish like the istD is not cheap to produce. A build and finish like what has come after isn't up to my standard. Bravo. Exactly right. They proved with the ist-D that

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Mark Roberts
William Robb wrote: From: Mark Roberts Aaron Reynolds wrote: No, I'm with you too. If a larger sensor 35mm style camera were coming from Pentax, their new lenses would be rendered useless. Why would they do that to themselves? And encourage us to buy new lenses? Gosh, no! After getting

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Powell Hargrave
That's why at this point I'd like to see a larger sensor. Physics is working against the APS-C sensor as densities get higher, and it can only get worse. There is room to grow. Take a look at the Fuji F30. Sensor is a tiny 7.6 x 5.7 mm with 6.3 Mega pixels. APS size equivalent would be

PESO - Simple Nature Shot

2006-08-05 Thread Bruce Dayton
Sorry to break up the wild speculation on the K10D, but for those who care to look: Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, Handheld ISO 200, 1/500 sec @ f/8.0 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3243a.htm Comments welcome. -- Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

PESO - Beaver Dam

2006-08-05 Thread Bruce Dayton
This is shot with the dam just about eye level. You can see the water backed up behind the dam in the upper section and the water down below coming out of the dam in the lower section. Pentax *istD, DA 16-45/4 @ 45mm, handheld ISO 800, 1/90 sec @ f/11 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3268.htm

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Bruce Dayton
Here is my simple take on it: I love the *istD - but it could have a few improvements. More megapixels, bigger buffer - slightly faster frame rate. Better handling of TTL Flash (no pre-flashing crap though). I like the current ergonomics with two dials and the grip. I love HyperManual. So if

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread keith_w
Mark Roberts wrote: William Robb wrote: My concern is that I know that well built, good quality equipment costs extra to produce. A build and finish like the istD is not cheap to produce. A build and finish like what has come after isn't up to my standard. Bravo. Exactly right. They

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Toralf Lund
to the contrary. If Pentax comes out with (and actually delivers to consumers) a 35mm-type dSLR in the next couple years that has a sensor larger than what is in their current line, I'll print out and eat this email. Headers and all? :) Seriously though... I don't

OT: just in case you thought you were going to see me in the media....

2006-08-05 Thread Ann Sanfedele
at the US Scrabble Open in Phoenix - alas, I'm missing that one -- the first Nationals I haven't attended either as a word judge, photographer or player since 1980. It feels odd. To make up for it, I have a session today with G.I. Joels older bro, Larry - who decided not to go to the SHOW

Re: FA* 200mm f4 Macro??

2006-08-05 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: David Savage Subject: FA* 200mm f4 Macro?? G'day All, This is a bit of a hail Mary, but have any of you come across the above mentioned lens for sale? I realise that it's been discontinued, but I have been hoping there may be a few units still floating

Re: PESO - Simple Nature Shot

2006-08-05 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton Subject: PESO - Simple Nature Shot Sorry to break up the wild speculation on the K10D, but for those who care to look: Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, Handheld ISO 200, 1/500 sec @ f/8.0 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3243a.htm

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Toralf Lund
John Celio wrote: Does it bother anyone else that the K1D may shortly follow? Of course I wouldn't absolutely need it, but for just a few hundred more and with that larger sensor, etc..etc.. What bothers me is where you got that crazy idea. There is no such thing as a K1D, and even

Re: FA* 200mm f4 Macro??

2006-08-05 Thread David Savage
On 8/6/06, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: David Savage I've been pulling what's left of my hair out trying to track one down, but so far no luck. Sucks to be you, don't it? WW Cheeky bugger :-) Generally it doesn't. What sucks is being a Pentax

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: keith_w Subject: Re: K10D - More News For one who has not yet made a jump to the *ist side, are you telling me that when all the follow-up family members of the *istD's are considered, the *istD is still top of the line in build and finish? The istD

RE: FA* 200mm f4 Macro??

2006-08-05 Thread Manuel Magalhães
Hi, Look more close and who knows? Manuel -Mensagem original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Em nome de David Savage Enviada: sábado, 5 de Agosto de 2006 16:47 Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Assunto: FA* 200mm f4 Macro?? G'day All, This is a bit of a hail Mary, but

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Toralf Lund
Aaron Reynolds wrote: No, I'm with you too. If a larger sensor 35mm style camera were coming from Pentax, their new lenses would be rendered useless. Why would they do that to themselves? And encourage us to buy new lenses? Gosh, no! After getting pissed on for

RE: FA* 200mm f4 Macro??

2006-08-05 Thread Manuel Magalhães
Sorry Dave, I thought I red A*. Manuel -Mensagem original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Em nome de David Savage Enviada: sábado, 5 de Agosto de 2006 16:47 Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Assunto: FA* 200mm f4 Macro?? G'day All, This is a bit of a hail Mary, but have

Re: PESO - Simple Nature Shot

2006-08-05 Thread Jack Davis
The poor thing made me smile. :) Like it. Somewhat due to it's placement in the frame. Love the bokeh. Jack --- William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton Subject: PESO - Simple Nature Shot Sorry to break up the wild speculation on the

Re: PESO - Simple Nature Shot

2006-08-05 Thread Bruce Dayton
grin - you lost me on that comment and picture - are you saying you love mine and yours, love mine-hate yours, love yours-hate mine, or hate all these kind of shots? -- Bruce Saturday, August 5, 2006, 10:11:15 AM, you wrote: WR - Original Message - WR From: Bruce Dayton WR Subject:

A mildly amusing photograph

2006-08-05 Thread Bob W
...or perhaps it's just me. Taken with my phonecam http://www.web-options.com/IMAGE_00020a.jpg -- Regards, Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread graywolf
Be glad you don't have my cel-phone, Keith. The one thing it lacks is a ring tone that sounds like a telephone, I keep looking around for the guy who has his walkman turned up so loud, and miss my calls. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread graywolf
Me! Especially because all those features just do something I already know how to do myself. You can read a 12 page camera manual and a 200 page book on photography; or you can read a 200 page camera manual, and a 200 page book on photography, so you know when to turn on those hundreds of

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Toralf Lund
P. J. Alling wrote: [ ... ] Rob Studdert did a masterful analysis of why noise levels would increase as sensor densities increased a couple of years ago. Maybe he'll repost it. I'm not Rob, but... It's really very simple: When the sensor elements get smaller, obviously less light will hit

Re: A mildly amusing photograph

2006-08-05 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Aug 5, 2006, at 10:48 AM, Bob W wrote: ...or perhaps it's just me. Taken with my phonecam http://www.web-options.com/IMAGE_00020a.jpg I'm not entirely certain I understand it, but visually it's fun. :-) Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: PESO - Simple Nature Shot

2006-08-05 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
As always, very nicely done. Godfrey On Aug 5, 2006, at 9:28 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote: Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, Handheld ISO 200, 1/500 sec @ f/8.0 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3243a.htm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread P. J. Alling
The Fuji may be using a lot of post processing to clear the noise. I'm speaking of clean output from the sensor, not programming to clean up afterward. The sensor sites are just too small to capture enough light. I'm not going to do the math and repeat what's already in the archives you can

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Aug 5, 2006, at 9:46 AM, keith_w wrote: For one who has not yet made a jump to the *ist side, are you telling me that when all the follow-up family members of the *istD's are considered, the *istD is still top of the line in build and finish? I find it rather difficult to make that

Re: Chipmunk Flare

2006-08-05 Thread Kenneth Waller
This image is an extremely small part of the frame and not quite a solid freeze. Still, a cute capture. Well done Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO: Chipmunk Flare This is all about a cute accident. At Bryce Canyon, UT, several

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Paul Stenquist
My camera store, Camera Mart, which rarely handles Pentax, has the K100D in stock, along with a fairly decent selection of DA lenses, including the 12-24, the 10-17 fish, the 16-45, 50-200 and 50 macro. Not bad for Pentax deniers. They said they expect to have the K10D by the end of

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread P. J. Alling
There are a few small problems with the mechanics of the *ist-D but comparing it to the Ds, in my opinion it is. On the other hand I grab the DS more often than the D these days. The buffer is just enough faster to tip the balance as to which I would have with me. keith_w wrote: Mark

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Toralf Lund
Toralf Lund wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: [ ... ] Rob Studdert did a masterful analysis of why noise levels would increase as sensor densities increased a couple of years ago. Maybe he'll repost it. I'm not Rob, but... It's really very simple: When the sensor elements get smaller,

Re: PESO - Simple Nature Shot

2006-08-05 Thread Paul Stenquist
Not your best, but a good one. The backlight saves it. Paul On Aug 5, 2006, at 12:28 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote: Sorry to break up the wild speculation on the K10D, but for those who care to look: Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, Handheld ISO 200, 1/500 sec @ f/8.0

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Paul Stenquist
I think this ignores the axiom about the price of technology. It never increases. I would bet we'll get D quality in the 10. Paul On Aug 5, 2006, at 12:30 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: William Robb wrote: My concern is that I know that well built, good quality equipment costs extra to produce.

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread P. J. Alling
Yes I know it's really very simple, but it's actually worse than that, since we're getting to the level where quanta live. Toralf Lund wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: [ ... ] Rob Studdert did a masterful analysis of why noise levels would increase as sensor densities increased a couple of

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread David J Brooks
Quoting Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I agree. It's bizarre. Pentax never implied they were building a camera to challenge the MK II end of the market. Actually, they did say that they were building a semi-pro digital camera in the $2000 segment. They also said that they would make DSLR's

Re: OT: just in case you thought you were going to see me in the media....

2006-08-05 Thread Paul Stenquist
Of course the Biltmore is a Frank Lloyd Wright masterpiece, so it's worth a visit. But I understand the reluctance to fork over the cash. Can't say that I would either if they were having a convention of '55 Chevy owners or Pentax photographers:-) Paul On Aug 5, 2006, at 1:08 PM, Ann

What time and life does...

2006-08-05 Thread Roman
http://roman.blakout.net/?blog=20060805182744 That's what time does to a man or a woman. Remember peach? This could happen to her too, but I like this picture in a way. Comments welcome. -- home http://roman.blakout.net/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Polar Pivot

2006-08-05 Thread Kenneth Waller
Took awhile to determine what I was actually looking at. Why such a large file - 523kb - for web posting? Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 3:46 PM Subject: PESO: Polar Pivot My earlier Chipmunk

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread David J Brooks
Paul. If we ever get a chance to meet up, GFM next year.???I'll bring the D2H and or the D200 and grip or D1 and put the 70-200 and 80-200 on them. You'll definatly notice the difference in the two systems, carring them around tour neck. VBG Dave Quoting Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

Re: PESO - Beaver Dam

2006-08-05 Thread Kenneth Waller
Too much contrast to pull this off. Makes me want to see the darkened areas. Also why the inclusion of the blank sky reflection? Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 12:30 PM

Re: PESO - Simple Nature Shot

2006-08-05 Thread Kenneth Waller
Nice subject, focus, lighting DOF. Love the backlighting also. Wished it weren't so centered. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO - Simple Nature Shot Sorry to break up the wild speculation on the K10D, but for those who care to

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Mark Roberts
Paul Stenquist wrote: I think this ignores the axiom about the price of technology. It never increases. I would bet we'll get D quality in the 10. I've never seen that hold true in terms of mechanical construction... but I'll cross my fingers this time :) -- Mark Roberts Photography

Re: A mildly amusing photograph

2006-08-05 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob W wrote: ...or perhaps it's just me. Taken with my phonecam http://www.web-options.com/IMAGE_00020a.jpg Next time you're there nick the sign for me - I want it to display here :) (And, no, I won't make my own. It just wouldn't be the same.) -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia

Re: Polar Pivot

2006-08-05 Thread Jack Davis
I forget a lot things I didn't used to. Geezer syndrome. :-( Failed to save for web. Sorry. Otherwise?? Jack --- Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Took awhile to determine what I was actually looking at. Why such a large file - 523kb - for web posting? Kenneth Waller -

Re: A mildly amusing photograph

2006-08-05 Thread P. J. Alling
Mark Roberts wrote: Bob W wrote: ...or perhaps it's just me. Taken with my phonecam http://www.web-options.com/IMAGE_00020a.jpg Next time you're there nick the sign for me - I want it to display here :) (And, no, I won't make my own. It just wouldn't be the same.) I know

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread cbwaters
Dave. Please. Lets not rush to judgement pal... CW ;) - Original Message - From: David J Brooks So i'm not going nuts.:-) Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: PESO - Simple Nature Shot

2006-08-05 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton Subject: Re: PESO - Simple Nature Shot grin - you lost me on that comment and picture - are you saying you love mine and yours, love mine-hate yours, love yours-hate mine, or hate all these kind of shots? Been there, done that, lost the

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: K10D - More News I think this ignores the axiom about the price of technology. It never increases. I would bet we'll get D quality in the 10. This may be true for technolgy, but not machinery. A camera is a machine. William

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2006-08-05 Thread Collin R Brendemuehl
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RE: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Bob W
My mobile phone has a ringtone that's like an old-fashioned phone with a bell - so it sounds like Sam Spade's office when it rings. But I still miss most of my calls because I'm so deaf that when it rings it takes me forever to realise it's my phone. I can hear something, but I'm thinking What the

Re: What time and life does...

2006-08-05 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Aug 5, 2006, at 12:18 PM, Roman wrote: http://roman.blakout.net/?blog=20060805182744 That's what time does to a man or a woman. Remember peach? This could happen to her too, but I like this picture in a way. I'm not sure what you're implying in the text above. This is a beautiful photo

Re: What time and life does...

2006-08-05 Thread cbwaters
Kinda what I was thinking... - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi I'm not sure what you're implying in the text above. This is a beautiful photo of a wonderful face. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Cotty
On 4/8/06, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: $900 bucks is pretty cheap for that kind of camera, so again, i'm missing something in the loop here. I was hope ing to buy a Pentax equivalent to the Nikon big bodies i have. That'll be the K1D. Ain't gonna happen :-( -- Cheers,

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Cotty
On 5/8/06, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: Paul. If we ever get a chance to meet up, GFM next year.???I'll bring the D2H and or the D200 and grip or D1 and put the 70-200 and 80-200 on them. You'll definatly notice the difference in the two systems, carring them around tour

Re: More Baby Pictures

2006-08-05 Thread brooksdj
Not my favorite breed, but they are lovely additions never the less. :-) Dave When I built my house, I was trying to keep photo quality lighting in mind. These two pictures were shot available light in my living room.

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Mark Roberts
Cotty wrote: David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: $900 bucks is pretty cheap for that kind of camera, so again, i'm missing something in the loop here. I was hope ing to buy a Pentax equivalent to the Nikon big bodies i have. That'll be the K1D. Ain't gonna happen :-( It happened

Re: What time and life does...

2006-08-05 Thread Cotty
On 5/8/06, Roman, discombobulated, unleashed: http://roman.blakout.net/?blog=20060805182744 That's what time does to a man or a woman. Remember peach? This could happen to her too, but I like this picture in a way. Comments welcome. GREAT shot. Too much headroom, needs a trim. Well done

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread Cory Papenfuss
Having lower noise, higher ISO, and more megapixels I think is the way to improve things at the moment. Yes, but a larger sensor is a way to get all that. Beyond a certain point that may not be too far away, it is the only way - unless someone designs a sensor based on

Re: K10D - More News

2006-08-05 Thread keith_w
Bob W wrote: My mobile phone has a ringtone that's like an old-fashioned phone with a bell - so it sounds like Sam Spade's office when it rings. But I still miss most of my calls because I'm so deaf that when it rings it takes me forever to realise it's my phone. I can hear something, but I'm

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