See below from Boz's site. Does the aperture ring and 35mm coverage mean that Pentax
is planning a 'full frame' pro-ish digital, why else would the new lenses have such
coverage?
'According to DPreview, Pentax has announced two new and exiting lenses: smc Pentax-D
FA Macro 100mm F2.8 and smc
The problem is K mount was designed for 24x36mm in the 1st place. There is a
limit on how small they can make the DA lenses because of that.
Alan Chan
http://www.pbase.com/wlachan
Yes, but what would be the point of supporting two different sensor formats
in the same SLR body design?
Good point, my money is on FF only in the end. APS sensors in PS
A.
On 12/8/04 12:05 pm, Alan Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The problem is K mount was designed for 24x36mm in the 1st place. There is a
limit on how small they can make the DA lenses because of that.
Alan Chan
Antonio wrote on 12.08.04 12:02:
Yes, but what would be the point of supporting two different sensor formats
in the same SLR body design?
Price. If APS DSLR will be let's say 500$ less than FF one in future, then
it will sell much better and will bring more profits to company. This is not
camera sales in Japan. by the numbers, that meant that Pentax sold about
100K film cameras of all types in Japan in the past year.
Herb...
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Alan Chan wrote on 12.08.04 11:39:
Never say never. Who would think we could have Pentium 4 all those
cool 3D games now when we were using 8088. :-)
I have never said never ;-) Only simple
J. C. O'Connell wrote on 12.08.04 13:31:
You are overlooking the fact that once they BOTH
get cheap enough then the savings of APS sensor
gets smaller and smaller to the point that no one
will want it if the FF is only a little more in
absolute dollars.
You are right, but when will it
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See below from Boz's site. Does the aperture ring and 35mm coverage mean
that Pentax is planning a 'full frame' pro-ish digital, why else would
the new lenses have such coverage?
'According
If Pentax can sell new lenses to both Film and Computer users for a mere $10 per
pro-grade lens, why the heck not?
If film is going to be around for a few more years, esp. bw, then it seems a small
investment to maintain a marketshare that the others have completely abandoned.
Pentax getting
Well you could easily have different prifce points within a FF line of
sensors/cameras. It could be argued in fact that price to the manufacturer
or supporting two very similar chip formats would be a point against this.
As to APS not being a diffferent medium - we have already seen that you need
Plus, you have to look at the price of lenses for APS sensors v the price of
FF lenses. APS doesnt look so cheap when you can pick up nice K mount lenses
on ebay for a steal. Not to mention all the existing Pentax K-mount owners
who will find a very easy upgrade path to ditital with FF.
Antonio
Antonio wrote on 12.08.04 14:13:
Plus, you have to look at the price of lenses for APS sensors v the price of
FF lenses. APS doesnt look so cheap when you can pick up nice K mount lenses
on ebay for a steal. Not to mention all the existing Pentax K-mount owners
who will find a very easy
: 35mm coverage of new lenses
Antonio wrote on 12.08.04 14:13:
Plus, you have to look at the price of lenses for APS sensors v the
price of FF lenses. APS doesnt look so cheap when you can pick up nice
K mount lenses on ebay for a steal. Not to mention all the existing
Pentax K-mount owners
On 12 Aug 2004 at 14:26, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
Right, as long as price difference between FF and APS sensor cameras is
lower than price of wide angle lens(es) dedicated for smaller CCD. So far
price difference between the cheapest FF camera (Kodak 14/N) and based on
the same analog body
J. C. O'Connell wrote on 12.08.04 14:46:
the 14/n is 13Mpixel, none of the APS are even close to that
so the 3K difference is more than just FF, its much higher
image quality too.
Yes and no :-) Most people can't afford this and will choose something much
cheaper with quality satisfying for
Rob Studdert wrote on 12.08.04 14:57:
I've got pretty much all the glass I need, I have cash to spend on a new high
spec body (FF preferably) to use my glass on. I've promised myself not to get
sucked into buying APS format only lenses (unless of course they produced
something I couldn't live
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Obviously full frame coverage has two advantages:
1.) Future Pentax DSLRs are not to be limited to APS sized sensors at
a time when larger sensors become cheap enough (at that time such
DSLRs
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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:43:10 +0200
Obviously full frame coverage has two advantages:
1.) Future Pentax DSLRs are not to be limited to APS sized sensors at
a time when larger sensors become cheap enough
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From: graywolf
Subject: Re: 35mm coverage of new lenses
Probably they were following this list and the hunderds of posts
saying that no
one would ever pay that much for a camera. Those were the days when
I had to
preach the benefits of digital, just as I now
Antonio wrote:
Yes, but what would be the point of supporting two different sensor formats
in the same SLR body design?
For those who shoot a lot of telephoto but little wide angle the APS sized
chip has an advantage with it's smaller AOV. 6 MP is proving adequate for
many consumers. Assuming
I think they have done that with C class? Here in Vancouver, they are
everywhere... (Chinese always have a thing for Mercedes ) :-)
Alan Chan
http://www.pbase.com/wlachan
And that's the problem. How to make it go mass market ;-) That's the same
as
you would like Mercedes cars to go mass
Additionally I can see the Full frame sensor 35mm replacing med format
digital in the short term. I still think there's some
chance that Pentax will build a 35mm full frame sensor camera with the
ability to mount either 67 or 645 lenses as well as
Ka mount lenses nativly.
Butch Black wrote:
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004, Alan Chan wrote:
And that's the problem. How to make it go mass market ;-) That's the same
as
you would like Mercedes cars to go mass market, hoping that then their
price
will drop to acceptable levels ;-)
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Best Regards
Sylwek
I think they have done that with C
Nonsense, of course it will get cheaper. Mass production.
A/.
On 12/8/04 10:54 pm, Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
think the chip will cost at least $1500 for a long time (very long).
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From: Antonio
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Nonsense, of course it will get cheaper. Mass production.
Are they not already mass producing the things?
William Robb
FF sensor
chips for a long time.
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Nonsense, of course it will get cheaper. Mass production.
Are they not already mass producing the things?
William Robb
I wouldn't look much into this. Designing full frame 50mm and 100mm
lenses is easy, so why would anyone make a aps format specific version
of these. All reduced frame (APS) lenses from all manufacturers (except
Olympus) thus far have been wider than 18mm.
Canon 18-55
Pentax 16-45
Pentax 14
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