Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-15 Thread DagT
r guy) > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of >> DagT >> Sent: 15. juli 2006 11:28 >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: A weird little story of Copyright >> >> Great,

RE: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-15 Thread Tim Øsleby
after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > DagT > Sent: 15. juli 2006 11:28 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: A weird little story of Copyright > > Great, m

RE: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-15 Thread Bob W
> And by the way, while there you should have a look at Eirik > Holmøyviks pictures at the same gallery. (And here: http:// > www.luguber.net ) > Some very good landscapes and seascapes there. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.ne

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-15 Thread DagT
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of >> DagT >> Sent: 14. juli 2006 13:18 >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: A weird little story of Copyright >> >> >> Den 14. jul. 2006 kl. 11.36 skrev Cotty

RE: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-14 Thread Tim Øsleby
in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > DagT > Sent: 14. juli 2006 13:18 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: A weird little story of Co

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-14 Thread Bob Shell
Unless they've stopped recently, Fuji continues to make film that could be used in the Kodak instant cameras. Among my collection of odd photo items is a Durst slide printer that used Kodak instant film. I used to buy the Fuji film for it from B & H after the Kodak debacle. Bob On Jul 1

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-14 Thread Bob Shell
On Jul 14, 2006, at 1:07 PM, William Robb wrote: > Interstingly, and a bit closer to home, Eastman Kodak managed to > run afoul > of Polaroid's instant print process, not because they copied the > technology > (they didn't), but because the court agreed that Polaroid had claim > on the > in

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-14 Thread Ann Sanfedele
frank theriault wrote: > > On 7/13/06, DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > True, it was pure luck that I discovered it. That is why have > > reacted, when it is discover the reactions should be sufficiently > > hard to discourage others from doing the same. > > > > I'll be interested to see how t

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-14 Thread graywolf
quot;graywolf" > Subject: Re: A weird little story of Copyright > > > That gets into some strange territory. Copyright in most countries > protects your image (the photo) from commercial use by others. The > painting is clearly a derivative work. In some countries derivative

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-14 Thread DagT
jensbladt248 > > -Oprindelig meddelelse- > Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af > DagT > Sendt: 13. juli 2006 18:08 > Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Emne: A weird little story of Copyright > > > Just to keep your minds off politics .-

RE: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-14 Thread Jens Bladt
56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af DagT Sendt: 13. juli 2006 18:08 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: A weird little story of Copyright Just to keep your minds off politics .-) During my

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-14 Thread Mark Roberts
P. J. Alling wrote: >A friend of mine who did some wading into the shallow end of the >Polaroid patents, came the conclusion that Polaroid had patented the >process of osmosis, which was the basis for their claim. He was >astounded that Polaroid won the case. I was living in Rochester, NY at

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-14 Thread DagT
.07 skrev William Robb: >> >> >> >>> ----- Original Message - >>> From: "graywolf" >>> Subject: Re: A weird little story of Copyright >>> >>> >>> That gets into some strange territory. Copyright in most countrie

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-14 Thread P. J. Alling
ome very general patents. > >DagT > >Den 14. jul. 2006 kl. 19.07 skrev William Robb: > > > >>- Original Message - >>From: "graywolf" >>Subject: Re: A weird little story of Copyright >> >> >>That gets into some strange t

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-14 Thread DagT
That was a Patent issue. Polaroid had some very general patents. DagT Den 14. jul. 2006 kl. 19.07 skrev William Robb: > > - Original Message - > From: "graywolf" > Subject: Re: A weird little story of Copyright > > > That gets into some strange territo

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-14 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "graywolf" Subject: Re: A weird little story of Copyright That gets into some strange territory. Copyright in most countries protects your image (the photo) from commercial use by others. The painting is clearly a derivative work. In some countries

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-14 Thread Tom C
I grok it. Tom C. From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: A weird little story of Copyright Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:19:49 -0400 But his heirs and licensees do. In fact they care more than the original cop

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-14 Thread Bob Shell
On Jul 14, 2006, at 10:00 AM, graywolf wrote: > That gets into some strange territory. Copyright in most countries > protects your image (the photo) from commercial use by others. The > painting is clearly a derivative work. In some countries derivative > works are not allow without permission, i

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-14 Thread graywolf
But his heirs and licensees do. In fact they care more than the original copyright holder because they are only interested in the money. I did kind of like that Heinlein story where copyrights went to the Galactic Government at the authors death. There were no other taxes whatsoever since the p

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-14 Thread skye
Thank you Jostein, I will pass the info on. It was an interesting topic of conversation on that night (or maybe we're a boring group :), so I may do more research in the future, in my spare time... --s On 7/14/06, Jostein Øksne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Skye, > > You have to check out the l

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-14 Thread graywolf
Yes, they are the only ones who should do that! -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- frank theriault wrote: > On 7/13/06, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> This is clearly a case whe

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-14 Thread graywolf
That gets into some strange territory. Copyright in most countries protects your image (the photo) from commercial use by others. The painting is clearly a derivative work. In some countries derivative works are not allow without permission, in others they are. Even the courts do not seem to un

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-14 Thread Bob Shell
On Jul 14, 2006, at 4:17 AM, Jostein Øksne wrote: > Dunno how this changes after the photographer's demise. Simple, he doesn't care anymore. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-14 Thread DagT
Den 14. jul. 2006 kl. 11.36 skrev Cotty: > On 14/7/06, Jostein Øksne, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> That's pretty arrogant behaviour from the painter. Hope you get the >> painting destroyed. Make sure that he agrees also to destroy any >> sketches he made prior to the final painting, and to co

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-14 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, DagT wrote: > Hah! I can do wonders with an axe .-) > > Even more fun: Send three kids with paint into the gallery and go for > a walk. Just imagine the two boys in the painting coming into the > gallery and start painting on their own picture. > > DagT Wrong Dag, this will

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-14 Thread DagT
Hah! I can do wonders with an axe .-) Even more fun: Send three kids with paint into the gallery and go for a walk. Just imagine the two boys in the painting coming into the gallery and start painting on their own picture. DagT Den 14. jul. 2006 kl. 12.29 skrev Jostein Øksne: > Sounds like

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-14 Thread Jostein Øksne
Sounds like fun. Hard to imagine Dag doing it, though...:-) Jostein On 7/14/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 14/7/06, Jostein Øksne, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >That's pretty arrogant behaviour from the painter. Hope you get the > >painting destroyed. Make sure that he agrees also

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-14 Thread Cotty
On 14/7/06, Jostein Øksne, discombobulated, unleashed: >That's pretty arrogant behaviour from the painter. Hope you get the >painting destroyed. Make sure that he agrees also to destroy any >sketches he made prior to the final painting, and to confirm his >action in writing. If it was me I'd vand

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-14 Thread Jostein Øksne
Hi Dag, That's pretty arrogant behaviour from the painter. Hope you get the painting destroyed. Make sure that he agrees also to destroy any sketches he made prior to the final painting, and to confirm his action in writing. Jostein On 7/13/06, DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just to keep your

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-14 Thread Jostein Øksne
Hi Skye, You have to check out the local copyright laws where you live to be sure, but I would say that owner X is not allowed to make further copies unless that is specifically agreed upon. That's basically what copyright is all about. The buyer only buys the right to own the item, not to make re

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-14 Thread DagT
Den 14. jul. 2006 kl. 03.11 skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > In a message dated 7/13/2006 9:13:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > writes: > One of > the leading professors in Copyright issues in Norway has stated that > the painting is illegal, and things seem to be going my way, but

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-13 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 7/13/2006 9:13:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One of the leading professors in Copyright issues in Norway has stated that the painting is illegal, and things seem to be going my way, but it has been a busy week... here´s a link with where you can

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-13 Thread Tom Reese
I'd say it's time to break out the longboat and do some pillaging of your own. That does suck. I think you're doing the right thing by pursuing him. You may not get anything other than an apology but you have to protect your work. Tom Reese From: DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > In a program > ab

RE: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-13 Thread Bob W
I hope you win. I remember when you posted your picture, which is wonderful. -- Cheers, Bob > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of DagT > Sent: 13 July 2006 17:08 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: A wei

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-13 Thread DagT
Den 13. jul. 2006 kl. 20.31 skrev mike wilson: > DagT wrote: > >> Den 13. jul. 2006 kl. 18.16 skrev Charles Robinson: >> >> >>> On Jul 13, 2006, at 11:08, DagT wrote: >>> >>> Just to keep your minds off politics .-) >>> After some detective work, and help from the Norwegian communi

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-13 Thread mike wilson
DagT wrote: > Den 13. jul. 2006 kl. 18.16 skrev Charles Robinson: > > >>On Jul 13, 2006, at 11:08, DagT wrote: >> >> >>>Just to keep your minds off politics .-) >>> >> >>>After some detective work, and help from the Norwegian community at >>>www.foto.no, I found the painter, and he admitted that

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-13 Thread mike wilson
DagT wrote: > Just to keep your minds off politics .-) > > During my holiday I was reading and listening to music but had the TV > on (and sound off), just in case there was a weather forecast. > Suddenly something known caught my attention on the TV. In a program > about some opera semin

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-13 Thread brooksdj
Wow. Talk about right place, right time.:-) Makes my problem with kids stealing my thumbnails and putting them on webshots,seem minor. Dave > Just to keep your minds off politics .-) > > During my holiday I was reading and listening to music but had the

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-13 Thread skye
That reminds me. I don't know the legal answer (logically or morally I know my own answer, which is "no for life, yes for death") so I have to ask the question: Last night at a local photo club meeting, one of the new members brought up a question similar to the situation below, with one differenc

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-13 Thread frank theriault
On 7/13/06, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is clearly a case where one artist should respect the intellectual > property rights of another. How would he like it if someone took a picture > of his painting and started marketing reproductions of it? I know that museums and art galleries t

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-13 Thread frank theriault
On 7/13/06, DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > True, it was pure luck that I discovered it. That is why have > reacted, when it is discover the reactions should be sufficiently > hard to discourage others from doing the same. > I'll be interested to see how this turns out (in your favour, I hope!).

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-13 Thread Tom C
st To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: A weird little story of Copyright Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:42:08 +0200 True, it was pure luck that I discovered it. That is why have reacted, when it is discover the reactions should be sufficiently hard to discourage others from doing the same. DagT

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-13 Thread Tom C
Agreed. Tom C. From: DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: A weird little story of Copyright Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:42:08 +0200 True, it was pure luck that I discovered it. That is why have reacted, when

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-13 Thread DagT
e can do > that with anyone's work at any time and no harm is done, except > when the owner of the original image accidentally finds out! > > Tom C. > > >> From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-13 Thread DagT
Den 13. jul. 2006 kl. 18.16 skrev Charles Robinson: > On Jul 13, 2006, at 11:08, DagT wrote: > >> Just to keep your minds off politics .-) >> > >> After some detective work, and help from the Norwegian community at >> www.foto.no, I found the painter, and he admitted that he had >> downloaded my

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-13 Thread skye
He seems like a good enough painter to me. I certainly recognised his work to be a copy of yours (and of course, you recognised it too). --s On 7/13/06, DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > After some detective work, and help from the Norwegian community at > www.foto.no, I found the painter, and

RE: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-13 Thread Tom C
il List To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: A weird little story of Copyright Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:22:05 -0600 He may not have been a very good painter but he's good enough to make it obvious that it's a copy of your work. I hope you at least get some degree of compensation without too much

RE: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-13 Thread Tom C
the basis, is plain backwards. Tom C. From: DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: A weird little story of Copyright Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:08:03 +0200 Just to keep your minds off politics .-) During my holiday I

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-13 Thread Charles Robinson
On Jul 13, 2006, at 11:08, DagT wrote: > Just to keep your minds off politics .-) > > After some detective work, and help from the Norwegian community at > www.foto.no, I found the painter, and he admitted that he had > downloaded my picture and used it, but he refused to take the picture > down

Re: A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-13 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, DagT wrote: > the painting is illegal, and things seem to be going my way, but it > has been a busy week... > > here?s a link with where you can see the pictures: > http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/nrk_sogn_og_fjordane/1.708983 Wow. I think I have seen the picture before. G

A weird little story of Copyright

2006-07-13 Thread DagT
Just to keep your minds off politics .-) During my holiday I was reading and listening to music but had the TV on (and sound off), just in case there was a weather forecast. Suddenly something known caught my attention on the TV. In a program about some opera seminar in western Norway a si