Re: About awkward copyright releases

2010-07-26 Thread Charles Robinson
On Jul 25, 2010, at 14:45, P. J. Alling wrote: No what they are saying is that they own your work, and since you bought the over priced ticket to begin with, you're paying them for the privileged of them owning your work. I believe that this type of document is aimed more at the pro who

Re: About awkward copyright releases

2010-07-26 Thread David Parsons
If the photographer got in with press credentials, they didn't buy a ticket, and generally would have separate restrictions than the general public who did buy a ticket. As for schmoes, the tickets have wording on them that state the terms and conditions, and by paying the ticket cost and

RE: About awkward copyright releases

2010-07-26 Thread Bob W
If the photographer got in with press credentials, they didn't buy a ticket, and generally would have separate restrictions than the general public who did buy a ticket. As for schmoes, the tickets have wording on them that state the terms and conditions, and by paying the ticket cost and

Re: About awkward copyright releases

2010-07-25 Thread John Sessoms
From: William Robb This isn't business, it's usury. Actually, I think involuntary servitude comes closer to the mark. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow

Re: About awkward copyright releases

2010-07-25 Thread John Sessoms
From: Bob Sullivan This stuff has been a problem for a long time. I'm a fan of the Chicago Bears Football team. At an outdoor art fair, I found a bunch of 1960's photos of Chicago Bear players. I bought several and talked to the old guy selling them. He turned out to be the photographer. George

Re: About awkward copyright releases

2010-07-25 Thread Bob Sullivan
Ya, same reason why sharks don't eat lawyers, professional courtesy... On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 8:53 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Bob Sullivan This stuff has been a problem for a long time. I'm a fan of the Chicago Bears Football team. At an outdoor art fair, I found a

Re: About awkward copyright releases

2010-07-25 Thread Igor Roshchin
Paul, What you are referring to is the item 2), - about the photographer selling merchandise with the photos. That part is understood. Even without such a form signed, (and it is not always on the back of the ticket) I wouldn't try to produce and sell, say, calendars with the band photo. The

Re: About awkward copyright releases

2010-07-25 Thread P N Stenquist
On Jul 25, 2010, at 10:25 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Paul, What you are referring to is the item 2), - about the photographer selling merchandise with the photos. That part is understood. Even without such a form signed, (and it is not always on the back of the ticket) I wouldn't try to

Re: About awkward copyright releases

2010-07-25 Thread P. J. Alling
No what they are saying is that they own your work, and since you bought the over priced ticket to begin with, you're paying them for the privileged of them owning your work. On 7/25/2010 3:38 PM, P N Stenquist wrote: On Jul 25, 2010, at 10:25 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Paul, What you are

About awkward copyright releases

2010-07-24 Thread Igor Roshchin
You may remember me posting an ugly copyright release form from one of the swing-dance events last year: http://www.mail-archive.com/pdml@pdml.net/msg509934.html (It was noted then that there is a similar rule Burning Man - but at least there is a reasonable motivation there, and as far as I

Re: About awkward copyright releases

2010-07-24 Thread William Robb
All they are saying is they don't really want people to take pictures for them. William Robb -- From: Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 3:14 PM To: PDML@pdml.net Subject: About awkward copyright releases You may

Re: About awkward copyright releases

2010-07-24 Thread Jerry in Arizona
What they are saying is that they don't want you making money at their expense, without them getting a part of it.  It's called business. From: William Robb war...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: About awkward copyright releases Message-ID

RE: About awkward copyright releases

2010-07-24 Thread John Sessoms
No biggie. I'd find other venues/events/people to photograph. If they want to PAY me to take the photos as work for hire, I'd charge them both a day rate and a fee for releasing the copyright to them. From: Igor Roshchin You may remember me posting an ugly copyright release form from one of

Re: About awkward copyright releases

2010-07-24 Thread Rob Studdert
On 25/07/2010, Jerry in Arizona glewis4...@yahoo.com wrote: What they are saying is that they don't want you making money at their expense, without them getting a part of it. It's called business. That's not business it's slavery, they want the photographers work at no cost. -- Rob

Re: About awkward copyright releases

2010-07-24 Thread William Robb
-- From: Jerry in Arizona Subject: Re: About awkward copyright releases What they are saying is that they don't want you making money at their expense, without them getting a part of it. It's called business. I like to think that business

Re: About awkward copyright releases

2010-07-24 Thread paul stenquist
That's normal. The photographers are at the concert to shoot for a specific publication that has been granted press credentials. The publication pays the photographer. But rights to merchandising photos of the band are retained by the band and its marketing agency. They have to protect their

Re: About awkward copyright releases

2010-07-24 Thread Jerry in Arizona
in Arizona Subject: Re: About awkward copyright releases What they are saying is that they don't want you making money at their expense, without them getting a part of it.  It's called business. I like to think that business involves good for each party, not just for one party. This isn't

Re: About awkward copyright releases

2010-07-24 Thread Bob Sullivan
: -- From: Jerry in Arizona Subject: Re: About awkward copyright releases What they are saying is that they don't want you making money at their expense, without them getting a part of it.  It's called business. I like to think that business involves good for each