On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 19:06:24 + Steve Cottrell wrote:
I can say that I've never accidentally turned on video on any camera I own.
Me neither ;-)
I have, several times.
But only with the 'Q'.
It has a mode-dial that is NOT locked, and can easily be moved a notch
when taking it from the bag
P.J. Alling wrote:
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/an_appeal_for_divergence_and_simplicity.shtml
Excellent article. Thanks for pointing it out since I almost never
look at Luminous Landscape any more (that site used to be a daily
must read before it became a kind of Robb Report for
It's not the simplicity itself that's at issue. It's the original UNIX
creed, programs that do one thing well.
I want a still camera that does still photography well, that's
ergonomically suited to it. Something that takes good quality
photographs printable up to a certain size. I don't
I really don't think you should be looking to the Unix world for
simplicity and design cues.
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 9:57 AM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
It's not the simplicity itself that's at issue. It's the original UNIX
creed, programs that do one thing well.
I want a
I can say that I have had that experience, several times, with the E-PL2.
Rather than going through the process of reprogramming the button - i.e.,
setting it so that accidental button-pushes would be less troublesome - I sold
the camera. Why would anybody think of putting a big honking button
On 27/10/13, David Parsons, discombobulated, unleashed:
I can say that I've never accidentally turned on video on any camera I own.
Me neither ;-)
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On 27/10/13, Joseph McAllister, discombobulated, unleashed:
In that vein, movies, whilst watching the F-1 race in India this
morning, I noticed that each of the team's row of engineers peering at
LCD screens of the thousands of sensors on their drivers cars had a
slot between the screens and the
There are good situations for when the larger sensor in a DSLR or
TTL-electronic camera, as well as the availability of the range of lenses they
can use, makes sense for video work. At least at the price point I can afford
in video cameras … Even professional movie makers choose DSLRs and
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 09:57:43AM -0400, P.J. Alling wrote:
It's not the simplicity itself that's at issue. It's the original
UNIX creed, programs that do one thing well.
With the ability to combine an arbitrary number of those small
programs, each with their own menus of arguments, together,
On 10/28/2013 4:33 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 09:57:43AM -0400, P.J. Alling wrote:
It's not the simplicity itself that's at issue. It's the original
UNIX creed, programs that do one thing well.
With the ability to combine an arbitrary number of those small
programs, each
On Oct 28, 2013, at 1:50 PM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
I also want the camera to report to me what is happening at the raw
file level, not the processed jpeg. I want to know just how close
I am to clipping my whites and blacks.
That would be nice, does /any/ current
No problem Mark, scouring the internet so you don't have to.
On 10/28/2013 9:37 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
P.J. Alling wrote:
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/an_appeal_for_divergence_and_simplicity.shtml
Excellent article. Thanks for pointing it out since I almost never
look at
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 04:50:31PM -0400, P.J. Alling wrote:
On 10/28/2013 4:33 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 09:57:43AM -0400, P.J. Alling wrote:
I also want the camera to report to me what is happening at the raw
file level, not the processed jpeg. I want to know just how
That's very true of complex computing devices. Even Windows when it was
based on MS-DOS (and NT when it's UI wasn't tightly coupled it's DOS),
there were things that were at best cumbersome if not impossible to do
except from the command prompt.
But that's still a side issue. There are only
What is important to you isn't necessarily important to someone else.
I am really having trouble figuring out what specific problem there is
with video on a still camera. Don't use it. I don't use the video
function on my K-5. I also don't use the TAv mode, but I don't
complain that it takes up
So what you're saying is that you're missing the point of a dedicated
stills camera, or you're missing my point.
There are a lot of things that are available even on the K20D that I
don't ever use. However they also don't get in the way of things that I
do use.
From everything I know the
When things start becoming multifunction their use as a specialised thing
suffers. Consider the Swiss Army knife, for example, or bicycle multitools -
pretty good at a range of things, but not the best at any of them, and lacking
the usability of the specialist thing. My bike multi tool has a
You obviously know little about the history of UNIX. Feature creep
infected it early, but it doesn't change the original concept, and some
versions remained true to that concept for a long time, not BSD
unfortunately. It also doesn't change my point, though maybe it proves
it. If I wanted
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 07:15:27PM -0400, P.J. Alling wrote:
You obviously know little about the history of UNIX. Feature creep
infected it early, but it doesn't change the original concept, and
some versions remained true to that concept for a long time, not BSD
unfortunately. It also
Please don't lecture me about Unix or it's history.
You tout Unix as an example of a utopian set of programs that are
simple and good design, then go on to say that they suffer from the
exact same thing you don't like about cameras.
I'm curious why you put so much stock into what reviewers are
I brought up the Unix credo as something to be emulated not Unix itself,
which I thought I made perfectly clear.
I'll cop to making a comment on your ahistorical attitude maybe. But
lecturing you on UNIX? I wouldn't presume, I haven't worked on software
to run under UNIX in 10 years.
You
P.J - you say:
From everything I know the only thing on the K-5 family of cameras that
I really feel I need that's been done away with is the external SR switch.
It was replaced, if you take an inventory of available controls with the
dedicated Live View button.
There is an
You and Paul both make good points about the value of video within a DSLR.
So, I will stipulate that video does have value to some. Do I care if it is
included on my own camera? Not really, it doesn't bother me as long as its
presence doesn't impede my use of the camera for still images (e.g.,
Quoting Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info:
There is an interesting feature on the K-5 that I recently
discovered. Assume SR is turned on. Put the camera on a tripod and
set the shutter release for Remote activation. Et voile, the SR is
automagically turned off (and cannot be turned
It turns off when the camera is on the tripod and you lock up the
mirror... remote or no
I found that out accidentally when I thought I had forgotten to switch
it off.
ann
On 10/28/2013 23:14, Brian Walters wrote:
Quoting Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info:
There is an interesting
And I would have probably found out a lot sooner if I had used a tripod more
often . . .
stan
On Oct 28, 2013, at 11:14 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
Quoting Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info:
There is an interesting feature on the K-5 that I recently discovered.
Assume SR is turned on.
Ruminating on the K-3 and the various reviews of the K-5 family of
cameras where the reviewer took off points for clunky ways to get into
video mode, (this was especially true of DPReview IIRC), I found myself
wanting to scream in the guy's face. What is it about it being
primarily a Still
He should just use a film camera if he's that worried about simplicity
and video creep.
I can say that I've never accidentally turned on video on any camera I own.
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 8:39 PM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
Ruminating on the K-3 and the various reviews of the
In that vein, movies, whilst watching the F-1 race in India this morning, I
noticed that each of the team's row of engineers peering at LCD screens of the
thousands of sensors on their drivers cars had a slot between the screens and
the laptops on the bench through which a DSLR was sliding back
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