William Robb wrote:
>>Very few photos are worth archiving anyway. It is human arrogance
>>that makes people think that their photos are worth the effort.
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I'd call it more wishful thinking.
Marnie In my case, anyway.
LOL!
Norm
William Robb wrote:
Very few photos are worth archiving anyway. It is human arrogance
that makes people think that their photos are worth the effort.
Well, I don't understand 1/2 of what you guys have been talking about, but it
sure makes me paranoid about archiving photos.
Marnie aka Doe
On 24 Apr 2004 at 19:48, Markus Maurer wrote:
> Hi Alex
> I fully agree with you, there must be some more quality control with CD/DVD
> media before I *really* trust it. Markus
Come on guys stop scare-mongering, it's easy to check error rates and anyway
what else is cost effective to use.?
Rob
On 24 Apr 2004 at 19:48, Markus Maurer wrote:
> Hi Rob
> you are wrong on that, believe me.
> It has been tested and reported several times from well known PC magazines.
>
>
> And yes, you can hear a difference between *very* bad wires and good ones , if
> everything else has a high level of qua
On 24 Apr 2004 at 11:17, Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu wrote:
>
> It's not a legend.
> Even if you can read all the files from a CD, that doesn't means the media
> is error free. Most of the errors (like C1 ones) can be corrected on the
> fly - the unit won't even slow down. It's normal to have some C
On 24 Apr 2004 at 14:20, John Francis wrote:
> IDE drives (and all disk drives) fail *more* often if spun down
> than if left continually spinning. That's been known for years.
> As long as you have adequate cooling in the enclosure, the best
> thing to do is leave the disk spinning 24 hours a da
>
> Hi John
>
> I have *not* said anything like that.
>
> IDE drives of any brand are not meant to be used 24 hours a day. (just
> spinning or reading/writing) please do a internet research for yourself and
> look at the specifications and mean time between failure (MFTB).
> *Recommended* runni
Hi Graywolf
you have to compare scsi *server* hard disks.
I agree that scsi/ide and even firewire/usb drives for normal desktops can
be identical and sometimes are,
as John wrote.
But you don't use them in the servers I know for hot plug RAID arrays.
greetings
Markus
>>True! And I say that from
Hi Alex
I fully agree with you, there must be some more quality control with CD/DVD
media before I *really* trust it.
Markus
>>It's not a legend.
>>Even if you can read all the files from a CD, that doesn't means the media
>>is error free.
Hi Rob
you are wrong on that, believe me.
It has been tested and reported several times from well known PC magazines.
And yes, you can hear a difference between *very* bad wires and good ones ,
if everything else
has a high level of quality. With cheap wires or long distances , you loose
a lot of
True! And I say that from having opened up a couple (dead ones, both IBM drives
BTW.) and looking at them.
--
John Francis wrote:
In fact I'd go further than that - I wouldn't be surprised to
find that the physical hardware of some IDE and SCSI drives is
identical, and the only difference is in
Hi John
I have *not* said anything like that.
IDE drives of any brand are not meant to be used 24 hours a day. (just
spinning or reading/writing) please do a internet research for yourself and
look at the specifications and mean time between failure (MFTB).
*Recommended* running time for IDE dri
Hi Keith
several harddisk manufacturers agree on that point I would have to make a
research for that document.
But you should easily find some information on that over the internet. IBM
said it for there own
IDE Deskstar series. I have read it in several trustworthy computer
magazines and have my o
Oh, are those the same guys that can hear the difference between one brand or
another of 5 feet of 10ga. speaker wire? I always thought we photographers
believed some strange things, but compared to audiophiles we are a bastion of
reason. Maybe because if we go to far off the line our photos jus
b
- Original Message -
From: "Keith Whaley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 5:48 AM
Subject: Re: CD-R lifetimes disputed
> To reiterate (and for clarification) IBM says their IDE drives are NOT
> suitable for 24 hour ser
To reiterate (and for clarification) IBM says their IDE drives are NOT
suitable for 24 hour service? Where did they say that?
Or, does that mean for constant use, such as in servers, and doesn't
apply to home use, where the drive may be powered up, but not actually
spun up and being used in R/W
On 23 Apr 2004 at 21:26, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> No not in that league, I prefer the higher fideliy sound
> of good vinyl LPs. ( Although 24bit/96KHz digital recordings are
> getting pretty damn close!)
I'm running a 24/96 data stream for all my d-audio chain now and yes it's
pretty good.
> Th
/jcoconnell.com
-Original Message-
From: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 9:13 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: CD-R lifetimes disputed
On 23 Apr 2004 at 20:24, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
&
On 23 Apr 2004 at 20:24, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> Re: CD verification
>
> Just because a 52x burn verifies OK does not mean the data
> has been recorded as well as a 4x burn for example. When
> you do the verify you have no clue as to the "margin" of
> the data read. It is good for checking gros
With the amount of data I am generating with my *istD, DVD-R seems like
a good idea. It seems from the article though, that it may have similar
reliability issues if you are not careful. It guess it pays to buy the
best media and writer, and to take precautions like verification and
maybe eve
Would it be safer to use Magneto Optical Discs (MO discs)?
Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
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Fra: alex wetmore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 23. april 2004 19:38
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: RE: CD-R lifetimes disputed
On Fri
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Markus Maurer wrote:
> Beside professional SCSI RAID Array's I do not consider IDE Raids with cheap
> onboard or PCI controllers or software RAIDS as useful and would not
> recommend it to any customer doing serious business and depending on it's
> data.
This is a sweeping sta
Hi Rob
you should mention the RAID level you are using to make your statement
sound.
only mirroring (Raid 1) or Raid 5 (parity writing over at least 3 disks)
gives additional security, some people use simple
drive spanning (Raid 0) which adds performance but increases the chance of a
disk failure
Hi Mark
that's a *very* important point!
Test your backup before you really need it, for CDR take another PC and a
simple CDR-Reader for the test.
It's one of the points I always mention when discussing backup strategies
with my clients.
Markus
>> One additional step that I take is to read the
On 23/4/04, SHEL, discombobulated, offered:
>I always burn at speeds slower than the fastest, but I don't
>have the patience for a 4X burn. I usually find a good
>compromise at around 12x or 16x.
I burn at 48X, sometimes 52X :-)
I don't drive slowly either.
Live dangerously, die young.
Cheer
Hi Steve
it's good that you are making multiple backups
it's bad that they are all on a rewritable medium (virii like that for ex.)
and not protected from human or program errors.
it's bad if you don't have a backup outside your home far away from your
computer (fire, theft, sabotage)
use the hard
On 22/4/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, offered:
>"I put my success down to sensible writing methods and storage procedures."
>
>Rob, what are your sensible writing methods?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Joe
...and have you ever been on the telly?
Cheers,
Cotty
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On 23 Apr 2004 at 11:22, Mark Cassino wrote:
> That's all good advice. One additional step that I take is to read the CDR on
> another PC before deleting the files off the hard drive. I usually run it
> through Thumbs Plus on a second PC and make sure everything gets read and
> displayed properly
On 23 Apr 2004 at 11:21, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> wouldnt the slowest speed of the burner already take this into account?
> For example, my slowest speed is now 4x, my previous burner had a slowest
> speed of 2x.
You should generally match the media to the recorder however the better
recorders u
Rob, what are your sensible writing methods?
Use a recognized brand name writer with good driver/software support and
mainstream branded media. Use blank media free of dust or scratches (CDs
supplied on spindles sometimes fail this criterion), ensure that the
system can deliver the data at fas
On 22 Apr 2004 at 22:09, John Poirier wrote:
> The added level of precaution is to burn a copy of each CD on two different
> brands of disc. CD formulations are subject to change without notice, and even
> good brands can have bad batches. ("Gold Dye" discs appear to be the best bet
> for longev
http://jcoconnell.com
-Original Message-
From: Anders Hultman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 11:04 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: CD-R lifetimes disputed
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, J. C. O&#x
On 23 Apr 2004 at 10:31, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> What he did forget was to burn at the slowest possible
> burn speed your burner will allow. Makes for most reliable
> playback.
In over ten years of burning read only optical media I've undoubtedly proven
this advice to be unfounded, but take it
On 23 Apr 2004 at 9:27, Norm Baugher wrote:
> You forgot the burning incense, mirrors and headless chicken
I've thought about it. But seriously I can't see the point in even engaging in
the activity unless all reasonable precautions are taken to ensure that it will
be useful in the future.
I always burn at speeds slower than the fastest, but I don't
have the patience for a 4X burn. I usually find a good
compromise at around 12x or 16x.
shel
Anders Hultman wrote:
>
> On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>
> > What he did forget was to burn at the slowest possible
> > burn
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> What he did forget was to burn at the slowest possible
> burn speed your burner will allow. Makes for most reliable
> playback.
Not always true. Some claim that there is a "smear effect" when burning
too slow. The laser heats up the disc where the be
l.com
-Original Message-
From: Norm Baugher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 10:28 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: CD-R lifetimes disputed
You forgot the burning incense, mirrors and headless chicken
You forgot the burning incense, mirrors and headless chicken
Norm
Rob Studdert wrote:
Rob, what are your sensible writing methods?
Use a recognized brand name writer with good driver/software support and
mainstream branded media. Use blank media free of dust or scratches (CDs
supplied on s
uddert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: April 22, 2004 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: CD-R lifetimes disputed
> On 22 Apr 2004 at 19:24, Joseph Tainter wrote:
>
> > Rob wrote:
> >
> > "I put my success down to sensible writing methods and storage
p
On 22 Apr 2004 at 19:24, Joseph Tainter wrote:
> Rob wrote:
>
> "I put my success down to sensible writing methods and storage procedures."
>
> Rob, what are your sensible writing methods?
Use a recognized brand name writer with good driver/software support and
mainstream branded media. Use bl
Hmmm, from that article it seems to me that the best way to make
long-term backups on optical media would be to use CDRWs and keep them
in the freezer :-)
Personally my strategy of keeping everything on multiple hard disks and
upgrading at regular intervals seems to be working ;-)
S
Gonz wrot
On 22 Apr 2004 at 17:39, Gonz wrote:
> Story headlined by dpreview:
>
> http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_technology/story.jsp?story=513486
An interesting little article but not so relevant to me as I've just spent the
last few weeks transferring a couple of hundred archive CDs (inclu
Story headlined by dpreview:
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_technology/story.jsp?story=513486
rg
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