Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-12 Thread David Mann
On Sep 12, 2010, at 5:12 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Aside from some peeping Tom stuff, most of my high iso work is just causal snaps. ;-p Mark! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-12 Thread Thibouille
Yes Bob, I saw that one. Didn't order yet because I expected usual taxes when entering EU :( Thanks for the reminder though. 2010/9/10 Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com: Thibouille, I bought this to use with the K-7 and DA60-250/4. It's fully functioning and works well.

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-12 Thread Thibouille
Ecke, I might be interested. I dunno how shipping would cost to Belgium ? i doubt it will be very interesting for me rather than through DealExtreme but who knows .. BTW did he get any customs to pay for ? thanks -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-12 Thread eckinator
2010/9/12 Thibouille pentaxl...@gmail.com: Ecke, I might be interested. I dunno how shipping would cost to Belgium ? i doubt it will be very interesting for me rather than through DealExtreme but who knows .. BTW did he get any customs to pay for ? I'll ask. Shipping to Belgium will be

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-12 Thread Ken Waller
There's going to be a camera better than the K5 someday A MARK ! if I ever heard one Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Bob W p...@web-options.com Subject: RE: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO Even worse news: There's going

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-11 Thread mike wilson
Thibouille wrote: I like that, personally. Of importance IMO, new flashes begin 2011 allowing 1/250 sync speed, 18 AF points, speed optimized AF-C, 8fps, 1080p, 200-12800iso, extended 50-25600iso. http://k-rumors.com/new-pentax-k-5-leaked-by-lenstip/ Surely it's the shutter that determines

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-11 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Thibouille pentaxl...@gmail.com wrote: I like that, personally. Of importance IMO, new flashes begin 2011 allowing 1/250 sync speed, 18 AF points, speed optimized AF-C, 8fps, 1080p, 200-12800iso, extended 50-25600iso. So, this is the camera the K-7 should have been right from the start. :-/

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-11 Thread Tim Øsleby
This seem to be a pattern from Pentax. First they introduce something new, then they makes it better in next generation. I think I'll jump on K-5, then skip next model, and so on. MaritimTim http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ 2010/9/11 Ralf R. Radermacher fotor...@gmx.de: Thibouille

RE: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-11 Thread SV Hovland
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO This seem to be a pattern from Pentax. First they introduce something new, then they makes it better in next generation. I think I'll jump on K-5, then skip next model, and so on. MaritimTim http://maritimtim.blogspot.com

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-11 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
SV Hovland pdml...@heime.org wrote: Dosn't all (most) companies do that? It's up to you to decide if it is worth upgrading from one generation to the next. Nothing wrong with a little progress and evolution. But as it looks now, the K-5 will become an impressive demonstration of what a mess

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-11 Thread Adam Maas
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 12:58 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/11/2010 1:30 AM, Adam Maas wrote: Well, it's not a Pentax invention. IrSimple(tm) is already used by Fuji in their digital cameras, and apparently it shows up in several mobile phones as well. While current

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-11 Thread Adam Maas
2010/9/11 Ralf R. Radermacher fotor...@gmx.de: Thibouille pentaxl...@gmail.com wrote: I like that, personally. Of importance IMO, new flashes begin 2011 allowing 1/250 sync speed, 18 AF points, speed optimized AF-C, 8fps, 1080p, 200-12800iso, extended 50-25600iso. So, this is the camera

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-11 Thread Mark Roberts
Adam Maas wrote: 2010/9/11 Ralf R. Radermacher fotor...@gmx.de: Thibouille pentaxl...@gmail.com wrote: I like that, personally. Of importance IMO, new flashes begin 2011 allowing 1/250 sync speed, 18 AF points, speed optimized AF-C, 8fps, 1080p, 200-12800iso, extended 50-25600iso. So,

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-11 Thread P. J. Alling
That's what I would have thought as well. On 9/11/2010 5:06 AM, mike wilson wrote: Thibouille wrote: I like that, personally. Of importance IMO, new flashes begin 2011 allowing 1/250 sync speed, 18 AF points, speed optimized AF-C, 8fps, 1080p, 200-12800iso, extended 50-25600iso.

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-11 Thread P. J. Alling
On 9/11/2010 5:55 AM, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote: Thibouillepentaxl...@gmail.com wrote: I like that, personally. Of importance IMO, new flashes begin 2011 allowing 1/250 sync speed, 18 AF points, speed optimized AF-C, 8fps, 1080p, 200-12800iso, extended 50-25600iso. So, this is the camera

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-11 Thread P. J. Alling
On 9/11/2010 8:18 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Adam Maas wrote: 2010/9/11 Ralf R. Radermacherfotor...@gmx.de: Thibouillepentaxl...@gmail.com wrote: I like that, personally. Of importance IMO, new flashes begin 2011 allowing 1/250 sync speed, 18 AF points, speed optimized AF-C, 8fps, 1080p,

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-11 Thread Adam Maas
It's a combination of the shutter speed, the SR system and also the flash burn speed nowadays. SR apparently costs sync speed, the high-end Sony's do 1/250 with SSS off and 1/200 with it on. Likely Pentax and Olympus are limiting their sync similarly. Flash burn speed also matters, but only if

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-11 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Just like the K20D was the camera the K10D should have been from the start. The K10D was fine in its time. In my book, the K20D and the K-7 should never have been at all. This whole Samsung interlude was a mistake right from the start. Ralf --

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-11 Thread Bob Sullivan
A fellow from work has been waiting for the next generation to buy a home computer...since the 486 chips! You pays your money and you takes your chances. Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 8:29 AM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:  On 9/11/2010 8:18 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-11 Thread Adam Maas
2010/9/11 Ralf R. Radermacher fotor...@gmx.de: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Just like the K20D was the camera the K10D should have been from the start. The K10D was fine in its time. In my book, the K20D and the K-7 should never have been at all. This whole Samsung

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-11 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: You pays your money and you takes your chances. So I did. Paid 1300 for a K-7, last summer. With some luck I might be able to get 600 for it now, on ebay. The K-5 is rumored to be at around 1600. Spent the last months doing a lot of audio and scanning

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-11 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: Pentax was pretty much forced into it. The Sony 12MP CMOS sensor was not yet available to Pentax for the K20D, so Samsung was the only option to get something better than the old 10MP CCD in the K10D. With the K-7 Pentax was primarily updating the body so they

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-11 Thread P N Stenquist
On Sep 11, 2010, at 9:45 AM, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote: Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: You pays your money and you takes your chances. So I did. Paid 1300 for a K-7, last summer. With some luck I might be able to get 600 for it now, on ebay. The K-5 is rumored to be at around

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-11 Thread P. J. Alling
On 9/11/2010 10:00 AM, P N Stenquist wrote: On Sep 11, 2010, at 9:45 AM, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote: Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: You pays your money and you takes your chances. So I did. Paid 1300 for a K-7, last summer. With some luck I might be able to get 600 for it now,

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-11 Thread Adam Maas
2010/9/11 Ralf R. Radermacher fotor...@gmx.de: Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: Pentax was pretty much forced into it. The Sony 12MP CMOS sensor was not yet available to Pentax for the K20D, so Samsung was the only option to get something better than the old 10MP CCD in the K10D. With the K-7

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-11 Thread Tim Øsleby
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 1:04 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO This seem to be a pattern from Pentax. First they introduce something new, then they makes it better in next generation. I think I'll jump on K-5, then skip next model, and so

RE: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-11 Thread Bob W
Even worse news: There's going to be a camera better than the K5 someday. ;-) not really. Cameras have been perfect for decades. What happens is that the marketers and ad-men find new ways to stimulate our spending reflex. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

RE: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-11 Thread SV Hovland
-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO They do. It seems that the neat thing about Pentax is that when you know them, you know what generation to buy. If you wants a body upgrade, you go for the body upgrade generation. If you don't, then you wait for the next refinement generation

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-11 Thread Adam Maas
...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Tim Øsleby Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 4:36 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO They do. It seems that the neat thing about Pentax is that when you know them, you know what generation to buy. If you wants a body upgrade, you

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-11 Thread Steven Desjardins
This kind of stuff always makes me laugh. Pentax is a small camera company that releases stuff as fast as it can and still make money. It probably has the smallest budget of the DSLR makers. You want cutting edge, buy a Canikon. You buy Pentax if you want reasonably priced primes and uber-AF is

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-11 Thread Graydon
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 03:42:52PM +, SV Hovland scripsit: OK, I see what you mean, but I don't agree with you that K-7 was only a body upgrade from K20D. K-7 gave us more frames per second capture rate. 77 segment metering, fast AF in low light, white balance correction of AF, focus

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-11 Thread DagT
Den 11. sep. 2010 kl. 17.21 skrev Bob W: Even worse news: There's going to be a camera better than the K5 someday. ;-) not really. Cameras have been perfect for decades. What happens is that the marketers and ad-men find new ways to stimulate our spending reflex. B So true! I´ll

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-11 Thread Adam Maas
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Graydon gray...@marost.ca wrote: One of the most interesting things (to me) in the K-5 descriptions I've seen is the suggestion that the viewfinder has a transparent LCD that displays the framing lines and focus points. If that's true, it's a body thing, but

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-11 Thread P N Stenquist
On Sep 11, 2010, at 10:09 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: On 9/11/2010 10:00 AM, P N Stenquist wrote: On Sep 11, 2010, at 9:45 AM, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote: Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: You pays your money and you takes your chances. So I did. Paid 1300 for a K-7, last summer.

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-11 Thread Steven Desjardins
I'm not so knowledgeable. What kind of stuff do you do, Ralf? On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 12:46 PM, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: On Sep 11, 2010, at 10:09 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: On 9/11/2010 10:00 AM, P N Stenquist wrote: On Sep 11, 2010, at 9:45 AM, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-11 Thread Boris Liberman
Oops... Sorry. Boris On 9/11/2010 3:09 PM, Adam Maas wrote: On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 12:58 AM, Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/11/2010 1:30 AM, Adam Maas wrote: Well, it's not a Pentax invention. IrSimple(tm) is already used by Fuji in their digital cameras, and apparently it

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-11 Thread Adam Maas
Ralf's work is predominantly very long exposure night work. Check out his site, there's some brilliant work there. The K-7 forces long-exposure NR on longer exposures, functionally locking up the camera for twice the duration of the exposure. Not a big issue at a 30s exposure, but at 30 minutes

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-11 Thread Steven Desjardins
So his stuff is a worst case scenario for sensor noise. I see his problem. Aside from some peeping Tom stuff, most of my high iso work is just causal snaps. ;-p On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: Ralf's work is predominantly very long exposure night work. Check out

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-11 Thread David Savage
On 12 September 2010 01:06, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: Ralf's work is predominantly very long exposure night work. Check out his site, there's some brilliant work there. The K-7 forces long-exposure NR on longer exposures, functionally locking up the camera for twice the duration of the

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-11 Thread Adam Maas
It's not so much the sensor noise as the time wasted IIRC. When you're doing 1-2 hour exposures, locking the camera up for an extra 1-2 hours for long-exposure NR is a major issue. And that's what Ralf does That's different from high ISO work (which is what I do, not what Ralf does) My low-light

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-11 Thread Steven Desjardins
I gotcha. I'm really liking the K7 metering/exposure. I take some nighttime casuals, but compared tot the K10D I'm in hog heaven. As mentioned, the K5 won't be available to me for at least 1.5 years. On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: It's not so much the sensor

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-11 Thread Charles Robinson
On Sep 11, 2010, at 6:52, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote: Nothing wrong with a little progress and evolution. But as it looks now, the K-5 will become an impressive demonstration of what a mess the K-7 has been, with its rotten Samsung sensor, the obsolete AF system and all the rest of it.

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-11 Thread Charles Robinson
On Sep 11, 2010, at 12:06, Adam Maas wrote: Ralf's work is predominantly very long exposure night work. Check out his site, there's some brilliant work there. Oooh I can see how the K7 would piss Ralf off, then. Yeah, time exposures are not where the K7 is at its best. I've taken a

K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-10 Thread Thibouille
I like that, personally. Of importance IMO, new flashes begin 2011 allowing 1/250 sync speed, 18 AF points, speed optimized AF-C, 8fps, 1080p, 200-12800iso, extended 50-25600iso. http://k-rumors.com/new-pentax-k-5-leaked-by-lenstip/ -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-10 Thread paul stenquist
Sounds good, especially the autofocus. I'm ready. I hope it takes the same battery grip as the K7. Paul On Sep 10, 2010, at 5:53 AM, Thibouille wrote: I like that, personally. Of importance IMO, new flashes begin 2011 allowing 1/250 sync speed, 18 AF points, speed optimized AF-C, 8fps,

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-10 Thread Boris Liberman
Interesting indeed. No reason for /me/ to upgrade from K-7, though. There is however additional rumor circulating that in the spring of 2011 more announcements will be made... Boris On 9/10/2010 12:53 PM, Thibouille wrote: I like that, personally. Of importance IMO, new flashes begin 2011

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-10 Thread eckinator
2010/9/10 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Interesting indeed. No reason for /me/ to upgrade from K-7, though. There is however additional rumor circulating that in the spring of 2011 more announcements will be made... I guess that might just be the upgraded versions of the K-7/K-x that

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-10 Thread Boris Liberman
On 9/10/2010 2:23 PM, eckinator wrote: I guess that might just be the upgraded versions of the K-7/K-x that people are talking about and certainly sooner or later the mirrorless system that Pentax said they have under way. I doubt it will come with a fully functional K mount adaptor though -

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-10 Thread Thibouille
Yep, Paul that would be sweet. If it is the same grip, I'll get one. If price can go down a bit (even in 6 months and can sell my body at good price) I will but I don't really need it. I can use my Photo courses as pretext. Maybe my wife will believe that one xD Thibault Massart aka

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-10 Thread eckinator
2010/9/10 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: I should also point out that I made a passing comment there that perhaps Pentax will introduce some kind of wireless image transfer system and so they did. Though /personally/ I find IR rather deprecated technology for this kind of things, but go

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-10 Thread Bob Sullivan
Thibouille, I bought this to use with the K-7 and DA60-250/4. It's fully functioning and works well. http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.31967 See if they still have it... Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 6:37 AM, Thibouille pentaxl...@gmail.com wrote: Yep, Paul that would be

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-10 Thread eckinator
In the unlikely event that they've run out: My neighbour is selling one of those but I doubt it will be any cheaper. he paid € 47 and used it twice so he'll want to get back as much as possible. Cheers Ecke 2010/9/10 Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com: Thibouille, I bought this to use with the

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-10 Thread Boris Liberman
On 9/10/2010 2:41 PM, eckinator wrote: I think IR is nice if you want to transfer one or a few images to a printer or whatever but at 6 to 8 megs per shot IR is certainly not fast enough transfer images to a computer in bulk or on the fly. personally, I still wonder when the first camera will

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-10 Thread P. J. Alling
I just perused the specifications listed for the new K-5. No FPS figures, though that's not important. The improved autofocus looks to leapfrog over the 645d, but hell my best lenses are mostly manual focus anyway. Lots of incremental changes from the K-7 that I'm not directly caring

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-10 Thread John Francis
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 08:19:05PM +0300, Boris Liberman wrote: On 9/10/2010 2:41 PM, eckinator wrote: I think IR is nice if you want to transfer one or a few images to a printer or whatever but at 6 to 8 megs per shot IR is certainly not fast enough transfer images to a computer in bulk or on

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-10 Thread Thibouille
Mmm 4 to 16Mbits is to be expected base on Wikipedia (which means it may be unreliable). Not *that* slow. As for BT and Wifi (and IrSimple), it remains to be seen how it translated on a power consumption PoV. 2010/9/10 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: On 9/10/2010 2:41 PM, eckinator wrote: I

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-10 Thread Adam Maas
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 3:36 PM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 08:19:05PM +0300, Boris Liberman wrote: On 9/10/2010 2:41 PM, eckinator wrote: I think IR is nice if you want to transfer one or a few images to a printer or whatever but at 6 to 8 megs per shot IR is

Re: K-5 leaked: plausible IMO

2010-09-10 Thread Boris Liberman
On 9/11/2010 1:30 AM, Adam Maas wrote: Well, it's not a Pentax invention. IrSimple(tm) is already used by Fuji in their digital cameras, and apparently it shows up in several mobile phones as well. While current implementations are slow, when VFIR and Giga-IR make it to the marketplace it