Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-16 Thread Thibouille
There's one, but not free :( It is up to you to judge is 30 US$ (AFAIR) is good money for that or not. Note that it supports metadate editing etc. so it is fairly complete although not free. Microsoft links of codecs do point to that codec. Contrary to what Microsoft states on this link the

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-16 Thread Thibouille
It is possible, I'm not concerned a 64bit release so I didn't pay any attention to this. On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Henk Terhell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That would limit any serious use of Vista Photo Gallery as picture viewer/organizer. Thanks for the advice on PEF codec but it doesn't

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-16 Thread Henk Terhell
/ open RAW files. Otherwise for my use Vista 64-bit is very fast and very good. If only Epson would release a 64-bit driver for my 2450 scanner, I could get rid of XP. Henk William Robb schreef: - Original Message - From: Doug Franklin Subject: Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-16 Thread David Savage
At 04:14 PM 16/05/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't believe JPGs would no longer be shown in Vista in near future. But I don't care much about thumbnails as long as files can be viewed/organized with the right software such as PS Elements, LR or Picasa. Vista Photo Gallery disqualifies itself

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-16 Thread Bong Manayon
Here's another link that caught my attention... http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2007/06/05/ted-2007-microsoft-seadragon-and-photosynth/ Metaverse...!?! -- Bong Manayon http://www.bong.uni.cc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-16 Thread Adam Maas
: - Original Message - From: Doug Franklin Subject: Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces. I am so glad I decided not to sidegrade myself to Vista with my new computer. Whether or not there is a fight going on between Adobe or Microsoft is moot, it is still up to Microsoft to make

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-16 Thread P. J. Alling
I'm finding this somewhat disturbing. Your hard won photographs are now nothing more than data. Your intended use and context is forgotten... Maybe that doesn't disturb anyone else... Bong Manayon wrote: Here's another link that caught my attention...

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-16 Thread Henk Terhell
Adam Maas schreef: MS relies on the camera maker to support its RAW formats. Most camera makers are not supporting 64 bit software. Not sure what you mean there. Both PS Elements and Picasa work under Vista 64 and both do show Pentax RAW files, so why couldn't Vista Photo Gallery? Vista

RE: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-16 Thread Bob W
It's very impressive technically, despite terms like 'visual photos' and 'visual cameras', but I don't think you need to be disturbed. I don't expect you'll be forced to contribute your pictures to it against your will (they are still copyright after all), and your pictures' intended use and

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-16 Thread Michael S. Keller
Worst case here would be WMP specs are never released under Microsoft's Open Specification Promise, Pentax adopts it as the sole image format and Microsoft prosecutes free software writers. I'm glad I switched to RAW. Adam Maas wrote:

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-16 Thread P. J. Alling
Bob, their photos were skimmed off Flicker, who says you'll be asked? If Google takes a photo from space of Cotty lying naked in his garden, and this software merges it with a picture taken a couple of years ago of the previous owners lying naked in the next spot, what will people think

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-16 Thread Henk Terhell
David Savage schreef: I'm running XP x64 my Epson 3200 doesn't have 64 bit drivers available either. I got around this PITA by buying VueScan . Cheers, Dave That is useful to know. Under Vista 64-bit Vuescan does work as well. Henk -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-16 Thread Adam Maas
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Henk Terhell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adam Maas schreef: MS relies on the camera maker to support its RAW formats. Most camera makers are not supporting 64 bit software. Not sure what you mean there. Both PS Elements and Picasa work under Vista 64 and both

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-16 Thread Henk Terhell
Adam Maas schreef: Vista Photo Gallery uses the same codec plugins to drives its RAW support that Windows Explorer uses to show thumbnails, so you get both when you get the codec from the camera manufacturer. MS does not handle RAW support themselves. PS Elements relies on an Adobe-sourced

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-16 Thread Lucas Rijnders
Op Fri, 16 May 2008 02:12:42 +0200 schreef William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: - Original Message - From: Lucas Rijnders Subject: Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces. Don't bet on it: There appears to be a bit of a row between Adobe and Microsoft. At work I have a Vista 64 bit

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-16 Thread Bruce Walker
Lucas Rijnders wrote: If I replace my ageing PC, I will be looking hard at a nice portable mac to complement my wife's iMac. I really liked the small 13 ones they had a couple of months ago... The are one or two windows-only (CAD) applications I'd like to run, but dual-boot would be fine

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-16 Thread Adam Maas
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Bruce Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lucas Rijnders wrote: If I replace my ageing PC, I will be looking hard at a nice portable mac to complement my wife's iMac. I really liked the small 13 ones they had a couple of months ago... The are one or two

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-16 Thread Bruce Walker
Adam Maas wrote: As does Parallels for less money and smoother integration than VMWare. With respect, I would _not_ take that as a given. :-) Since they both offer a 30-day eval period, the wise shopper should evaluate them both in actual use and see how they behave. In my own testing

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-15 Thread Henk Terhell
Thibouille schreef: Now that fun has been spread :) I seriously wonder what the benefit might be for each parties? Windows Vista Photo Gallery doesn't show DNG nor PEF files, in contrast to Picasa. Some co-operation is needed there.. Henk -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-15 Thread Thibouille
PEF should be displayed as soon as you install the PEF codec which is linked from Microsoft's own website. As of DNG, MS won't support an Adobe format and Adobe seems they don't wanna support Microsoft (nor their customers in this case). On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Henk Terhell [EMAIL

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-15 Thread Henk Terhell
That would limit any serious use of Vista Photo Gallery as picture viewer/organizer. Thanks for the advice on PEF codec but it doesn't seem to work on 64-bit. Henk Thibouille schreef: PEF should be displayed as soon as you install the PEF codec which is linked from Microsoft's own website.

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-15 Thread Doug Franklin
Henk Terhell wrote: That would limit any serious use of Vista Photo Gallery as picture viewer/organizer. Thanks for the advice on PEF codec but it doesn't seem to work on 64-bit. Does anyone know if the Pentax codec will work on XP or is the plug-in photo viewer codec a feature only of

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-15 Thread P. J. Alling
I'm sure that there's a third party Codec for DNG available, possibly for free. However that might violate your EULA with Microsoft. Thibouille wrote: PEF should be displayed as soon as you install the PEF codec which is linked from Microsoft's own website. As of DNG, MS won't support an

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-15 Thread P. J. Alling
I'm using an XP codec in Win2K. It works fairly well. Does use a fare bit of memory though. Doug Franklin wrote: Henk Terhell wrote: That would limit any serious use of Vista Photo Gallery as picture viewer/organizer. Thanks for the advice on PEF codec but it doesn't seem to work on

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-15 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Thibouille Subject: Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces. PEF should be displayed as soon as you install the PEF codec which is linked from Microsoft's own website. As of DNG, MS won't support an Adobe format and Adobe seems they don't wanna

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-15 Thread Lucas Rijnders
Op Thu, 15 May 2008 15:14:37 +0200 schreef William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: - Original Message - From: Thibouille Subject: Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces. PEF should be displayed as soon as you install the PEF codec which is linked from Microsoft's own website

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-15 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Lucas Rijnders Subject: Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces. Don't bet on it: There appears to be a bit of a row between Adobe and Microsoft. At work I have a Vista 64 bit workstation, and PDF's don't show as thumbnails and don't show a preview

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-15 Thread Doug Franklin
William Robb wrote: I am so glad I decided not to sidegrade myself to Vista with my new computer. Whether or not there is a fight going on between Adobe or Microsoft is moot, it is still up to Microsoft to make their OS compatable with industry standard file types. Next thing, they

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-15 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Doug Franklin Subject: Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces. I am so glad I decided not to sidegrade myself to Vista with my new computer. Whether or not there is a fight going on between Adobe or Microsoft is moot, it is still up to Microsoft

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-14 Thread John Whittingham
On Tue, 13 May 2008 20:37:36 -0400, Rebekah wrote Every time you format your memory card it will ask...Are you sure? Really?. Maybe it will be every time you try to grab that perfect shot - you know, the one you can't believe you're actually holding your camera

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-14 Thread Thibouille
Now that fun has been spread :) I seriously wonder what the benefit might be for each parties? On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.photographyblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/microsoft_and_hoya_pentax_join_forces/ Does this mean the K30D will

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-14 Thread Bong Manayon
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that fun has been spread :) I seriously wonder what the benefit might be for each parties? ...? ;-) -- Bong Manayon http://www.bong.uni.cc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-14 Thread Thibouille
Looking at the particle, basicaly Hoya Pentax will pay Microsoft. I wonder what they will get in return. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-14 Thread Bong Manayon
How about this? http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6076650.html On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking at the particle, basicaly Hoya Pentax will pay Microsoft. I wonder what they will get in return. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-14 Thread Mark Roberts
Bong Manayon wrote: How about this? http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6076650.html And this: http://arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft.ars/2008/05/13/why-does-microsoft-want-pentaxs-patents For small hand held devices, like Microsoft's Zune media player, adding a camera is a natural

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-14 Thread P. J. Alling
I can see now! Pentax got Kudos for including DNG in the file options so they're going to add WMP as an option. Take that Canon! Bong Manayon wrote: How about this? http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6076650.html On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-14 Thread Paul Stenquist
Advertising, and a big market for point and shoot cameras. Paul On May 14, 2008, at 3:45 AM, Thibouille wrote: Looking at the particle, basicaly Hoya Pentax will pay Microsoft. I wonder what they will get in return. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo:

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-14 Thread P. J. Alling
I don't know, it seems more likely the Microsoft is after something to do with endoscopy Mark Roberts wrote: Bong Manayon wrote: How about this? http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6076650.html And this:

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-14 Thread P. J. Alling
I also think the writer is more or less clueless to whit... Pentax doesn't seem to do anything else that's likely to interest Microsoft. It dabbles in the medical field, I thought Pentax was a farely big player in endosocpes. They have/had an entire division dedicated to them. Dabbling

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-14 Thread Adam Maas
Not WMP, but possibly MS's JPEG replacement format that looks pretty good (better IQ than JPEG under moderate to high compressions, 16 bit support) -Adam On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:51 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can see now! Pentax got Kudos for including DNG in the file options

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-14 Thread David Savage
2008/5/14 P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I also think the writer is more or less clueless to whit... Pentax doesn't seem to do anything else that's likely to interest Microsoft. It dabbles in the medical field, I thought Pentax was a farely big player in endosocpes. They have/had an entire

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-14 Thread David J Brooks
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adam Maas wrote: http://www.photographyblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/microsoft_and_hoya_pentax_join_forces/ Any guesses as to which Pentax patents Microsoft is interested in? Here's mine: The horizontally-sliding lens

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-14 Thread P. J. Alling
Microsoft's Jpeg replacement is called Windows Media Photo, so WMP. I have no idea what it's actual extension will be or is if they've actually released it. . Adam Maas wrote: Not WMP, but possibly MS's JPEG replacement format that looks pretty good (better IQ than JPEG under moderate to

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-14 Thread P. J. Alling
Everything works better with Vista, Microsoft says so. David J Brooks wrote: On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adam Maas wrote: http://www.photographyblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/microsoft_and_hoya_pentax_join_forces/ Any guesses as

Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-13 Thread Adam Maas
http://www.photographyblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/microsoft_and_hoya_pentax_join_forces/ Does this mean the K30D will bluescreen? -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-13 Thread Bruce Walker
Adam Maas wrote: http://www.photographyblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/microsoft_and_hoya_pentax_join_forces/ Does this mean the K30D will bluescreen? Yes. In addition, it will arrive quite a few years after promised, stripped of most of the hoped-for new features. It will also be

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-13 Thread John Whittingham
On Tue, 13 May 2008 14:46:37 -0400, Bruce Walker wrote Adam Maas wrote: http://www.photographyblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/microsoft_and_hoya_pe ntax_join_forces/ Does this mean the K30D will bluescreen? Yes. In addition, it will arrive quite a few years after promised,

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-13 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:52 PM, John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You'll also have to switch the camera off and back on again every time you alter something in the settings menu 8) And when you buy a new lens, you'll get a message that says, The camera has detected new hardware, and

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-13 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces. http://www.photographyblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/microsoft_and_hoya_pentax_join_forces/ Does this mean the K30D will bluescreen? Only if they get Microsoft to write firmware updates

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-13 Thread drew
Matthew Hunt wrote: On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:52 PM, John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You'll also have to switch the camera off and back on again every time you alter something in the settings menu 8) And when you buy a new lens, you'll get a message that says, The camera has

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-13 Thread John Whittingham
On Tue, 13 May 2008 20:00:05 +0100, drew wrote Matthew Hunt wrote: On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:52 PM, John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You'll also have to switch the camera off and back on again every time you alter something in the settings menu 8) And when you buy a new

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-13 Thread drew
John Whittingham wrote: On Tue, 13 May 2008 20:00:05 +0100, drew wrote Matthew Hunt wrote: On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:52 PM, John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You'll also have to switch the camera off and back on again every time you alter something in the settings menu 8) And

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-13 Thread Bruce Walker
John Whittingham wrote: On Tue, 13 May 2008 20:00:05 +0100, drew wrote Then phone Pentax customer support in Japan for an authorization code because they fear you might be using the camera without a license Drew Then the lens police will come knocking every time it performs an

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-13 Thread Mark Roberts
Adam Maas wrote: http://www.photographyblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/microsoft_and_hoya_pentax_join_forces/ Any guesses as to which Pentax patents Microsoft is interested in? Here's mine: The horizontally-sliding lens design of the Altoids tin Optio cameras. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-13 Thread John Whittingham
On Tue, 13 May 2008 15:10:18 -0400, Bruce Walker wrote John Whittingham wrote: On Tue, 13 May 2008 20:00:05 +0100, drew wrote Then phone Pentax customer support in Japan for an authorization code because they fear you might be using the camera without a license Drew

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-13 Thread John Whittingham
On Tue, 13 May 2008 15:10:18 -0400, Bruce Walker wrote John Whittingham wrote: On Tue, 13 May 2008 20:00:05 +0100, drew wrote Then phone Pentax customer support in Japan for an authorization code because they fear you might be using the camera without a license Drew

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-13 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.photographyblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/microsoft_and_hoya_pentax_join_forces/ Does this mean the K30D will bluescreen? But according to Dave Brook's rumour posted from DPreview yesterday, Pentax is heading

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-13 Thread Steve Desjardins
It means that Pentax Technical support will now tell you absolutely true things that are totally useless in solving your problem. I really want the Cotty Reply to this one. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540)

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-13 Thread Steve Desjardins
Or maybe the IS algorithms so when you get mad and start shaking your monitor. Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/13/08 1:46 PM http://www.photographyblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/microsoft_and_hoya_pentax_join_forces/ Does this mean the K30D will bluescreen? -- M. Adam Maas

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-13 Thread John Whittingham
On Tue, 13 May 2008 16:00:36 -0400, Steve Desjardins wrote Or maybe the IS algorithms so when you get mad and start shaking your monitor. Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/13/08 1:46 PM http://www.photographyblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/microsoft_and_hoya_pe ntax_join_forces/ Does

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-13 Thread Adam Maas
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 3:53 PM, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.photographyblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/microsoft_and_hoya_pentax_join_forces/ Does this mean the K30D will bluescreen? But

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-13 Thread Cotty
On 13/5/08, Steve Desjardins, discombobulated, unleashed: I really want the Cotty Reply to this one. What a loada bollocks! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-13 Thread Steve Desjardins
I don't know about that. The idea of the Windows boot-up sequence on my LCD for about a minute or so when I switch on my K5000D has a certain familiar and comforting cham to it . . . Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX:

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-13 Thread Bruce Walker
Steve Desjardins wrote: I don't know about that. The idea of the Windows boot-up sequence on my LCD for about a minute or so when I switch on my K5000D has a certain familiar and comforting cham to it . . . Except ... you have a once-in-a-lifetime shot lined up and focused, and as you

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-13 Thread Rebekah
Every time you format your memory card it will ask...Are you sure? Really?. Maybe it will be every time you try to grab that perfect shot - you know, the one you can't believe you're actually holding your camera for..Are you sure? Press 'Yes' to continue Any guesses

Re: Microsoft and Hoya Pentax join forces.

2008-05-13 Thread P. J. Alling
I hope that's the worst thing that happens... Adam Maas wrote: http://www.photographyblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/microsoft_and_hoya_pentax_join_forces/ Does this mean the K30D will bluescreen? -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle --