It's because we're an old, dying breed. This is aimed at today's kids
who have been programmed by the iPadPodPhone to expect everything to be
on the cloud.
You'll be able to work on your photos anytime - anyplace you can find an
open Wi-Fi.
From: Eactivist
Maybe I am missing something,
MEMO
From: Adobe
To: Photographer Scum
Hey idiots. You're supposed to switch to Lightroom! Get with the program.
From: Bruce Walker
Marnie, the Cloud word is a red herring. Nobody is requiring you to
save your files anywhere other than than what you do with them now. So
forget remote server,
From: Mark C
The thing that strikes me is the tone of this is for your own good,
even though you may not understand that. They are trying to define
their customer's needs in terms of their own product, as opposed to
developing products that respond to the customer's needs
But then, I've
That should be entrepreneur, not entrapment. Damned spell checker...
We knew what you meant, even if you didn't.
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on 2013-05-31 23:06 Philip Northeast wrote
On of the drivers for the success of the Personal Computer for business use was
the wresting control of software away from centralised bureaucracies and
allowing users to choose and configure their own systems.
Cloud computer is the return of
On 4 June 2013 07:05, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote:
not necessarily; there are distributed cloud systems that are well out of
the control of a single institution; the internet itself is in many ways
such a system, and many of us already stored a lot of our information on a
server
On 6/1/2013 8:36 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 3:59 AM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote:
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 03:11:03PM -0400, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
Thanks, Bruce (and Gerrit) that explains a lot. Seems I was foggy all
around, since I didn't spell fogie right. Heh.
on 2013-06-01 10:30 P.J. Alling wrote
It's one thing to create a better product and let customers decide to buy it,
if it better suits their needs they will, and modify your old product to lock
existing customers into paying more,
it's not quite that extreme; existing customers can still run
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 03:11:03PM -0400, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
Thanks, Bruce (and Gerrit) that explains a lot. Seems I was foggy all
around, since I didn't spell fogie right. Heh.
While fogie apparently has some acceptance as a variant spelling,
I've almost always seen the word spelled
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 3:59 AM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote:
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 03:11:03PM -0400, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
Thanks, Bruce (and Gerrit) that explains a lot. Seems I was foggy all
around, since I didn't spell fogie right. Heh.
While fogie apparently has some
It's olde English.
-Original Message-
From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Adobe acknowledges cool reception
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 3:59 AM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote:
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 03:11:03PM -0400, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
Thanks, Bruce
The thing that strikes me is the tone of this is for your own good,
even though you may not understand that. They are trying to define
their customer's needs in terms of their own product, as opposed to
developing products that respond to the customer's needs
But then, I've heard that
It's one thing to create a better product and let customers decide to
buy it, if it better suits their needs they will, and modify your old
product to lock existing customers into paying more,
The first is something any entrapment can do, the second requires a
virtual monopoly.
Ford didn't
That should be entrepreneur, not entrapment. Damned spell checker...
On 6/1/2013 12:30 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:
It's one thing to create a better product and let customers decide to
buy it, if it better suits their needs they will, and modify your old
product to lock existing customers into
Maybe I am missing something, probably am, being the old foggy that I am
-- but why in the #$%! should I want to store my photos on a remote server?
I guess I think I am missing the point of cloud. I mean, thank you very
much, but I prefer storing my photos on my own computer (and back up
on 2013-05-31 8:40 eactiv...@aol.com wrote
Maybe I am missing something, probably am, being the old foggy that I am
-- but why in the #$%! should I want to store my photos on a remote server?
I guess I think I am missing the point of cloud. I mean, thank you very
much, but I prefer storing my
Marnie, the Cloud word is a red herring. Nobody is requiring you to
save your files anywhere other than than what you do with them now. So
forget remote server, you save your files on your PC like you always
have. And your software still runs on your PC just as always. Nothing
processes In The
on 2013-05-31 10:48 Bruce Walker wrote
In this context, Cloud is Adobe marketing people smoking up and
saying, Oooh yeah! pfff-choke Cloud is hip! Let's get that
cloud word in our product name somewhere. It could equally have been
Creative Unicorns. There are cloudy trimmings in the product,
As long as you pay your subscription fees your /important/ photos will
be backed up, and whoever owns the server that stores them will make
money win/win. OK it doesn't seem like that much of a win to me since I
can back up my own photos for a fraction of what the yearly fee is
likely to be,
Thanks, Bruce (and Gerrit) that explains a lot. Seems I was foggy all
around, since I didn't spell fogie right. Heh. And agree, Peter, I can do it
cheaper myself than I could by subscription.
Guess I better upgrade my LR and Elements before it/they becomes/become
cloud. Not sure Elements
at which point I will probably outgrow Elemnts :-(
Gerrit
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From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of eactiv...@aol.com
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 3:11 PM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Adobe acknowledges cool reception
Thanks, Bruce (and Gerrit) that explains a lot
on 2013-05-31 13:11 eactiv...@aol.com wrote
Not sure I would ever trust anyone else to do it as well.
as a very experienced software developer and consultant, i am amazed at the
skill with which large, multiply-redundant cloud services are built (e.g.
Amazon, Google); not that i'd trust them
Okay.
Marnie aka Doe :-) Yeah, they probably do it better than I do. But I like
my photos close by me.
In a message dated 5/31/2013 1:19:59 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
p...@paper-ape.com writes:
as a very experienced software developer and consultant, i am amazed at
the
skill with which
When Lightroom goes to the cloud, I'm leaving.
I've been down this path before.
'We want to hold (control) that for you.
Trust us, it will be better for you.'
It's never as fast or good or reliable as having it in your own hands.
Regards, Bob S.
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 3:19 PM, steve harley
On of the drivers for the success of the Personal Computer for business
use was the wresting control of software away from centralised
bureaucracies and allowing users to choose and configure their own systems.
Cloud computer is the return of centralised control.
Philip Northeast
On Jun 1, 2013, at 4:48 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
Basically Adobe has discontinued selling the Creative Suite
(Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, etc.) as boxed software. Instead
they are renting it to us in bundles, like cable TV channel packages.
So in theory you can get
I totally agree with that.
M aka D
In a message dated 5/31/2013 10:06:58 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
rnort...@bigpond.net.au writes:
On of the drivers for the success of the Personal Computer for business
use was the wresting control of software away from centralised
bureaucracies and
, May 29, 2013 8:03 PM
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Subject: Re: Adobe acknowledges cool reception
Now, was that Company A ('80's) or Company I ('90's)? ;-)
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Gerrit Visser gerrit...@gmail.com wrote:
So really they are saying what I learned to say at a company we both
So really they are saying what I learned to say at a company we both worked
for: Thank you for your input. This of course meant that I mostly ignored
it :-)
Gerrit
-Original Message-
From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Walker
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 9:23 AM
Good synopsis Bruce.
Two things I notice in their PR piece. First, they seem to assume that Adobe
users are, or desire to be, part of a world-wide creative community. This seems
to ignore those users who just want to sit quietly and use the tools on their
own, without extensive sharing,
The most important part of the announcement is the part about not
locking people out of their own content. If they deliver on a version
that let's you view, print and convert files to other formats that
will go along way to ease worries.
gs
George Sinos
www.GeorgesPhotos.net
Now, was that Company A ('80's) or Company I ('90's)? ;-)
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Gerrit Visser gerrit...@gmail.com wrote:
So really they are saying what I learned to say at a company we both worked
for: Thank you for your input. This of course meant that I mostly ignored
it :-)
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