Re: Color of Black White

2011-08-06 Thread Tim Øsleby
2011/8/1 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com: On Jul 31, 2011, at 5:31 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Can I copy an adjustment brush mask from one picture to another in lightroom? You can, as a preset. But I don't think that's a good solution. -- MaritimTim My private photo blog:

Re: Color or Black White

2011-08-03 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Color: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5991541211 BW http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5992099066 I've been looking, comparing and assessing over the past few days, and this is the best I can do: On my home

Re: Color or Black White

2011-08-02 Thread Larry Colen
speaking of Yosemite: http://archives.halfdome.net/archive/search On Aug 1, 2011, at 8:59 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Bruce Walker First they tell you, fill the frame. Then they tell you, let it breathe. Land sakes, what's a feller to do? Keep running that play 'til you get it right!

Re: Color or Black White

2011-08-02 Thread Christine Aguila
Neato. Thanks for posting. Cheers, Christine On Aug 2, 2011, at 12:32 PM, Larry Colen wrote: speaking of Yosemite: http://archives.halfdome.net/archive/search On Aug 1, 2011, at 8:59 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Bruce Walker First they tell you, fill the frame. Then they tell

Re: Color or Black White

2011-08-01 Thread John Sessoms
From: Larry Colen Color: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5991541211 BW http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5992099066 The BW rendering is losing detail on the shadow side. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1390 / Virus Database:

Re: Color or Black White

2011-08-01 Thread John Sessoms
From: Bruce Walker First they tell you, fill the frame. Then they tell you, let it breathe. Land sakes, what's a feller to do? Keep running that play 'til you get it right! - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1390 / Virus Database: 1518/3801 -

Re: Color or Black White

2011-07-31 Thread Subash
On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 15:34:39 -0700 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Color: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5991541211 BW http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5992099066 somehow to me the textures seem better in the bw rendering... -- regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss

Re: Color or Black White

2011-07-31 Thread Bran Everseeking
On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 15:34:39 -0700 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Color: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5991541211 BW http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5992099066 I like the subtleties that come through in the colour version. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Color or Black White

2011-07-31 Thread Paul Stenquist
I like that last shot. Well done! Paul On Jul 30, 2011, at 11:27 PM, John Francis wrote: On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 04:19:46PM -0700, Jack Davis wrote: When were you there [in Yosemite], Larry? Have more stuff? Jack We were there yesterday. I called him up at the end of last week and

Re: Color or Black White

2011-07-31 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
Three opinions: First: The color one is nicer, if only because it is easier to look at without eye strain. (Perhaps it is my display.) Because (as I observe things) .. Second: The BW could be nicer if you lowered the contrast to something more akin to grade 2. Third: The image is too

Re: Color or Black White

2011-07-31 Thread Ann Sanfedele
On 7/31/2011 01:05, John Francis wrote: On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 12:00:50AM -0400, Ann Sanfedele wrote: well those landscape shots are all well and good but I like the little ground squirrel the best :-) http://www.jfwaf.com/Yosemite/image.php?name=Yosemite_15 Larry has a shot of the little

Re: Color or Black White

2011-07-31 Thread Bruce Walker
On 11-07-31 7:58 AM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote: Three opinions: First: The color one is nicer, if only because it is easier to look at without eye strain. (Perhaps it is my display.) Because (as I observe things) .. Second: The BW could be nicer if you lowered the contrast to something more

Re: Color or Black White

2011-07-31 Thread Larry Colen
On Jul 31, 2011, at 8:37 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: On 11-07-31 7:58 AM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote: Three opinions: First: The color one is nicer, if only because it is easier to look at without eye strain. (Perhaps it is my display.) Because (as I observe things) .. Second: The BW

Re: Color or Black White

2011-07-31 Thread Mark Roberts
Bruce Walker wrote: What is Grade 2 contrast? Is this part of Ansel's zone system? (I need to get those three AA books.) Grade 2 contrast is a contrast rating of photo paper (or a filter selection when using multigrade paper). Darkroom stuff, in other words. -- Mark Roberts - Photography

Re: Color or Black White

2011-07-31 Thread Larry Colen
On Jul 31, 2011, at 4:58 AM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote: Three opinions: First: The color one is nicer, if only because it is easier to look at without eye strain. (Perhaps it is my display.) Because (as I observe things) .. Second: The BW could be nicer if you lowered the contrast to

Re: Color or Black White

2011-07-31 Thread P. J. Alling
Grade 2 is more or less normal contrast, IIRC. However even value seemed to vary from brand to brand of paper, Ilford papers tended to be a bit more contrasty at grade two than Kodak papers once again IIRC, Agfa papers were a bit more contrasty than either Ilford or Kodak. Sometimes that

Re: Color or Black White

2011-07-31 Thread John Francis
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 10:26:33AM -0400, Ann Sanfedele wrote: And the rattler, too - just getting him in that pose... would love to see you work on that image a bit to bring out his face .. OK - how does this look? http://www.jfwaf.com/Yosemite/image.php?name=Yosemite_07 I've cranked

Re: Color or Black White

2011-07-31 Thread Ann Sanfedele
I pulled it into photoshop and cropped it a lot to get rid of the burnt out stuff... but that loses the tail so it's not really better I think this of yours is better than earlier... Did he give you a bit of a rattle btw? ann On 7/31/2011 17:50, John Francis wrote: On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at

Re: Color or Black White

2011-07-31 Thread Larry Colen
On Jul 31, 2011, at 2:50 PM, John Francis wrote: On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 10:26:33AM -0400, Ann Sanfedele wrote: And the rattler, too - just getting him in that pose... would love to see you work on that image a bit to bring out his face .. OK - how does this look?

Re: Color or Black White

2011-07-31 Thread Larry Colen
On Jul 31, 2011, at 3:12 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: I pulled it into photoshop and cropped it a lot to get rid of the burnt out stuff... but that loses the tail so it's not really better I think this of yours is better than earlier... Did he give you a bit of a rattle btw? The closest we

Re: Color or Black White

2011-07-31 Thread John Francis
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 03:36:40PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote: On Jul 31, 2011, at 3:12 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: I pulled it into photoshop and cropped it a lot to get rid of the burnt out stuff... but that loses the tail so it's not really better I think this of yours is better than

Re: Color of Black White

2011-07-31 Thread Igor Roshchin
Larry, I'd would boost the contrast (of the front face of the rock) in both (the contrast appears to be slightly higher in the BW), and then would look again. I'd expect that I'd choose the color version, despite the reference to A.A. that other people mentioned. As somebody ahs already

Re: Color or Black White

2011-07-31 Thread Larry Colen
On Jul 31, 2011, at 5:22 PM, John Francis wrote: On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 03:36:40PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote: On Jul 31, 2011, at 3:12 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: I pulled it into photoshop and cropped it a lot to get rid of the burnt out stuff... but that loses the tail so it's not really

Re: Color of Black White

2011-07-31 Thread Larry Colen
On Jul 31, 2011, at 5:31 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Larry, I'd would boost the contrast (of the front face of the rock) in both (the contrast appears to be slightly higher in the BW), and then would look again. I could do that with the adjustment brush. Can I copy an adjustment brush

Re: Color or Black White

2011-07-31 Thread Igor Roshchin
Sun Jul 31 22:24:39 EDT 2011 Larry Colen wrote: I'd would boost the contrast (of the front face of the rock) in both (the contrast appears to be slightly higher in the BW), and then would look again. I could do that with the adjustment brush. Can I copy an adjustment brush mask

Re: Color or Black White

2011-07-31 Thread Boris Liberman
Black-n-white for me, Larry. On 7/31/2011 01:34, Larry Colen wrote: Color: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5991541211 BW http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5992099066 -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Color or Black White

2011-07-31 Thread Larry Colen
On Jul 31, 2011, at 9:55 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: Black-n-white for me, Larry. Thanks everyone for commenting. The current votes are color 3 bw 4 doesn't matter 2 On 7/31/2011 01:34, Larry Colen wrote: Color: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5991541211 BW

Re: Color or Black White

2011-07-30 Thread Jack Davis
Hard to not be prone to prefer anything in Yosemite in other than BW. Ansel is. of course, to blame for that. Actually, in this case I see no clear choice. When were you there, Larry? Have more stuff? Jack --- On Sat, 7/30/11, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: From: Larry Colen

Re: Color or Black White

2011-07-30 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I like the color version better. The bit of blue sky really sets off the rock come alive. Dan Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Color: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5991541211 BW

RE: Color or Black White

2011-07-30 Thread John Coyle
BW, but only if you can get a greater dynamic range. John Coyle Brisbane, Australia -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen Sent: Sunday, 31 July 2011 8:35 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Color or Black White

Re: Color or Black White

2011-07-30 Thread David Parsons
I like the BW version, but you lose the light tones in the stone with the conversion that you've used in this version. On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Color: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5991541211 BW

Re: Color or Black White

2011-07-30 Thread P. J. Alling
It's a beautiful rendering and either will do just fine. On 7/30/2011 6:34 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Color: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5991541211 BW http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5992099066 -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- Where's the Kaboom? There

Re: Color or Black White

2011-07-30 Thread Larry Colen
On Jul 30, 2011, at 4:19 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Hard to not be prone to prefer anything in Yosemite in other than BW. I kind of got lost in that one. Do you usually prefer color or bw for Yosemite? Ansel is. of course, to blame for that. Actually, in this case I see no clear choice.

Re: Color or Black White

2011-07-30 Thread Larry Colen
On Jul 30, 2011, at 5:54 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: It's a beautiful rendering and either will do just fine. Thanks. I'm not even sure that it's a shot that I meant to take. It's quite possible I meant to crop in tight and only show part of half dome, but even if not, I rather liked the way

Re: Color or Black White

2011-07-30 Thread John Francis
On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 04:19:46PM -0700, Jack Davis wrote: When were you there [in Yosemite], Larry? Have more stuff? Jack We were there yesterday. I called him up at the end of last week and suggeated a quick trip to Yosemite, as the warm weather and the heavy snowpack were combining to

Re: Color or Black White

2011-07-30 Thread Larry Colen
On Jul 30, 2011, at 8:27 PM, John Francis wrote: On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 04:19:46PM -0700, Jack Davis wrote: When were you there [in Yosemite], Larry? Have more stuff? Jack We were there yesterday. I called him up at the end of last week and suggeated a quick trip to Yosemite, as the

Re: Color or Black White

2011-07-30 Thread Christine Aguila
Tough one, Larry--but I think I'll go with the color rendering. Lovely shot. Cheers, Christine On Jul 30, 2011, at 5:34 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Color: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5991541211 BW http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5992099066 -- Larry Colen

Re: Color or Black White

2011-07-30 Thread Ann Sanfedele
well those landscape shots are all well and good but I like the little ground squirrel the best :-) http://www.jfwaf.com/Yosemite/image.php?name=Yosemite_15 And the rattler, too - just getting him in that pose... would love to see you work on that image a bit to bring out his face .. Now I

Re: Color or Black White

2011-07-30 Thread John Francis
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 12:00:50AM -0400, Ann Sanfedele wrote: well those landscape shots are all well and good but I like the little ground squirrel the best :-) http://www.jfwaf.com/Yosemite/image.php?name=Yosemite_15 Larry has a shot of the little guy, too, in a slightly better pose.