Peter J. Alling
Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:42:10 -0800
>It's also possible that Pentax needed to go to the SD card
>in the *ist-Ds to fit into the form
>factor available. It's a bitch for those who have CF cards
>but Pentax needs a selling point, they've
>gone for Smallest, it's easily understandable a
On 15 Nov 2004 at 11:24, Nick Clark wrote:
> The same argument would apply to CF vs PC Card (PCMCIA) memory cards, but
> where
> are they? SD cards will be cheaper and higher capacity than CF in the future
> due
> to the demand from their use in PDAs, phones, MP3 players, etc. CF will go and
> P
William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff"
Subject: Re: I just ordered myself a *ist DS with DA18-55 lens.
OK ... your points are valid, to a point. As a user who has not sunk any
money into CF cards, and a minimal amount into a few memory sticks,
I'
Keith Whaley wrote:
[...]
Actually, what you mean is, 35mm format won out over all the dozen or
other film sizes attempted over the years.
The same thing will likely happen to digital cameras. I imagine we'll
end up with two sizes in the end.
While I suspect 35mm film is overwhelmingly dominant,
The same argument would apply to CF vs PC Card (PCMCIA) memory cards, but where
are they? SD cards will be cheaper and higher capacity than CF in the future
due to the demand from their use in PDAs, phones, MP3 players, etc. CF will go
and Pentax will be een as having led the pack into the futu
Well, I think two standards (SD/CF) are ok.
All others seem exotic to me, like APX film, 110 pocket film or Minox film
are exotic but do exist.
Both CF and SD are not so expensive anymore, for the price of the DA-14 lens
I would get 10+mb storage in either of them, and for me that are a lot of
I don't disagree with that at all. I'd love to see a standard for memory
cards.
Shel
> [Original Message]
> From: William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> At some point, enough people will just say fuck you to the
> manufacturers and boycott new purchases until the companies that
> deliberately o
Congrats, Fred. I am looking foreward to reading the reports on how it's
doing!
JEns
Jens Bladt
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On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 23:53:39 -0500
"Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> IMO, using an SD card in the *ist Ds makes sense as an upgrade from a
> digital P&S to a DSLR. The vast majority of digital P&S (with the exception
> of Sony and Fuji), us SD cards
My Optio uses CF cards though, so if
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What's the objection to an SD card?
Shel
[Original Message]
From: William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 11/14/2004 6:34:14 PM
Subject: Re: I just ordered myself a *ist DS with DA18-55 lens.
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From: "Chris
yup.
Sam
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From: "Chris Brogden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 3:17 AM
Subject: Re: I just ordered myself a *ist DS with DA18-55 lens.
Interesting... is the istDS the first modern DSLR not to have a
The only DC I have uses CF, but I cannot imagine myself using that CF in
DSLR because of speed and size. I imagine most DSLRs shooter migrating from
DC might just buy a couple of fast CF for the job. The same may apply to SD
as well.
Alan Chan
http://www.pbase.com/wlachan
SD is by far the most
I am certain I would be very mad if I had to pay for the repair. :-)
Alan Chan
http://www.pbase.com/wlachan
You are much more charitable towards the masses than I.
bb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Alan Chan"
> Subject: Re: I just ordered myself a *ist DS with DA18-55 lens.
>
> > The Costco here had one of the Noritsu console damaged for the same
> > reason as well. The wa
CF can be bad for that reason ($200-$350 CAN repair on most cameras),
but at least the contacts on the cards are protected. With SD (like
other cards), the contacts are exposed, so you don't want to get them
too dirty or scratched. CF feels tougher, too.
If Pentax is expecting people to upgrade
- Original Message -
From: "Alan Chan"
Subject: Re: I just ordered myself a *ist DS with DA18-55 lens.
The Costco here had one of the Noritsu console damaged for the same
reason as well. The way the slot was design, it is not difficult to
bend the pins, especially when
On Nov 15, 2004, at 12:02 PM, Fred Widall wrote:
Any other PDMLer with one on order ??
Not me yet.
I did just price up a nice medium format film scanner from Adorama.
The exchange rate has gone in my favour and I'd save NZ$500 over a few
months ago. Pity they're on back order as I'm startin
The Costco here had one of the Noritsu console damaged for the same reason
as well. The way the slot was design, it is not difficult to bend the pins,
especially when people got nervous and being rough.
Alan Chan
http://www.pbase.com/wlachan
Good point. We had our countertop unit down for almost
- Original Message -
From: "Alan Chan"
Subject: Re: I just ordered myself a *ist DS with DA18-55 lens.
I suspect the use of SD for the DS is a technical one. Maybe they
were trying to keep it as compact as possible. Personally, I do not
like CF because I feel the pins are
I suspect the use of SD for the DS is a technical one. Maybe they were
trying to keep it as compact as possible. Personally, I do not like CF
because I feel the pins are fragile. I like the way SD works better.
Alan Chan
http://www.pbase.com/wlachan
And speed as well...
Alan Chan
http://www.pbase.com/wlachan
Most of the users moving up from P&S cameras that use SD card would most
likey
have cards that need to be replaced due to their capacity.
- Original Message -
From: "Bill Owens"
Subject: Re: I just ordered myself a *ist DS with DA18-55 lens.
IMO, using an SD card in the *ist Ds makes sense as an upgrade from
a digital P&S to a DSLR. The vast majority of digital P&S (with
the exception of Sony and
On 14 Nov 2004 at 23:53, Bill Owens wrote:
> The vast majority of digital P&S (with the exception of
> Sony and Fuji), us SD cards
That is apart from a large range of Canon PowerShots, Casio QVs, Minolta
Diamages, Nikon Coolpix and Olympus digicams to name a few more :-)
Most of the users movin
On 14 Nov 2004 at 19:50, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> But, since SD is increasing capacity, and the
> price is coming down,as a new user there seems to be little benefit to using
> CF.
> IOW, I see them as about the same, both suited to their purpose.
What I was alluding to is that at any point in t
The problem as I see it is that either way, they are going to irritate
their customers (not that Pentax ever seems concerned about that).
If this is the start of a trend, and they continue it into a new high spec
camera, they irritate present istD users who want to upgrade.
If it is not the start
- Original Message -
From: "Peter J. Alling"
Subject: Re: I just ordered myself a *ist DS with DA18-55 lens.
It's also possible that Pentax needed to go to the SD card in the
*ist-Ds to fit into the form
factor available. It's a bitch for those who have CF cards
k at it and possibly disregard
the CF vs SD problem. If they need an upgrade path they can get a SD to
CF converter. It's those looking
for an inexpensive backup body who are screwed.
William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff"
Subject: Re: I just or
- Original Message -
From: "Shel Belinkoff"
Subject: Re: I just ordered myself a *ist DS with DA18-55 lens.
OK ... your points are valid, to a point. As a user who has not
sunk any
money into CF cards, and a minimal amount into a few memory sticks,
I'm not
wedded to
- Original Message -
From: "Shel Belinkoff"
Subject: Re: I just ordered myself a *ist DS with DA18-55 lens.
What's the objection to an SD card?
For myself, I own 3 1gig CF cards and a bunch of smaller ones.
If this is the way of Pentax's future, and a new higher sp
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> From: Peter J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 11/14/2004 7:24:44 PM
> Subject: Re: I just ordered myself a *ist DS with DA18-55 lens.
>
> Rob Studdert wrote:
>
> >On 14 Nov 2004 at 19:04, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
On 14 Nov 2004 at 22:34, Peter J. Alling wrote:
> You mean SD in the below statement, don't you?
Yep :-/
Rob Studdert
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Rob Studdert wrote:
On 14 Nov 2004 at 19:04, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
What's the objection to an SD card?
To date all DSLRs and a lot of "serious" digicams used CF, so that's the tech
many heavy users have sunk a lot of cash. Aside from the fact that CF will
always provide space for 3-4x the
n).
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
What's the objection to an SD card?
Shel
[Original Message]
From: William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 11/14/2004 6:34:14 PM
Subject: Re: I just ordered myself a *ist DS with DA18-55 lens.
- Original Message -
From: &quo
On 14 Nov 2004 at 19:04, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> What's the objection to an SD card?
To date all DSLRs and a lot of "serious" digicams used CF, so that's the tech
many heavy users have sunk a lot of cash. Aside from the fact that CF will
always provide space for 3-4x the maximum memory capacity
What's the objection to an SD card?
Shel
> [Original Message]
> From: William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 11/14/2004 6:34:14 PM
> Subject: Re: I just ordered myself a *ist DS with DA18-55 lens.
>
>
> - Original Message
- Original Message -
From: "Chris Brogden"
Subject: Re: I just ordered myself a *ist DS with DA18-55 lens.
Interesting... is the istDS the first modern DSLR not to have a CF
slot?
As opposed to the prehistoric ones that did?
Sadly, yes.
Hopefully this isn't the s
Interesting... is the istDS the first modern DSLR not to have a CF slot?
Chris
On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 18:02:38 -0500 (EST), Fred Widall
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just ordered myself a *ist DS with DA18-55 lens.
>
> I've ordered it from Simons of Montreal. Total cost for
> body, lens and 1GB L
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