Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-31 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Thursday, March 28, 2002, at 12:29 AM, Bruce Rubenstein wrote: It's considerably more expensive than any of these cameras. I suspect that the number of cameras sold, over $500, isn't very big. Pentax needs something more competitive in the $350 - $500 class. How does the MZ-6 or ZX-L

Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-30 Thread Bob Rapp
- Original Message - From: Creature's Comfort creatures.comfort@e- For me, there doesn't seem to be any new 35mm, SLR camera that would satisfy me. In fact, there are very few new cameras of any configuration or brand that I'd want to rush down to the store and buy. I might consider

Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-29 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
The whole brand identification issue is something of a red herring. There are many reasons that have to do with more options, choices, up to date technology and used market availability for knowlegeable ameteurs with other brands. Beyond entry level SLRs, Pentax makes niche product bodies and

Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-29 Thread Creature's Comfort
Hi, I've given some thought to that, and to be honest, I don't know the answer. For me, there doesn't seem to be any new 35mm, SLR camera that would satisfy me. In fact, there are very few new cameras of any configuration or brand that I'd want to rush down to the store and buy. I might

Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-29 Thread Paul Stenquist
In medium format I'd stay with Pentax. That was a recent choice for me, and the decision was based on three factors: 6x7 configuration, affordability, and lens quality. I haven't ever given serious thought to what I would choose in 35mm. Like Shel, I have little desire for automation. I would

RE: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-29 Thread Malcolm Smith
Paul, A scary thought, loss of all your camera gear, even if replaced by cash. My choice - Purchase MX, 67II and upgrade computer along with the addition of a film scanner. Invest time in getting things right. That's me done. Malcolm In medium format I'd stay with Pentax. That was a recent

Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-29 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
The perfect straight man... You can still buy other make cameras that are strictly MF and don't have winders. Nikon USA lists 4 MF bodies: F3HP, FM3a, FM2n FM10 (my understanding is that the F3 is out of production, but still available new). You may not be interested in switching brands, but

Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-29 Thread Chris Brogden
On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, Bruce Rubenstein wrote: It would be interesting to know how many people would stay with Pentax, and try to duplicate what they have now, if every piece of their gear disappeared and was replaced with an equivalent sum of money. This is the place that new camera buyers

Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR! (long rant)

2002-03-29 Thread Mike Ignatiev
: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:17:32 -0500 From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR! In medium format I'd stay with Pentax. That was a recent choice for me, and the decision was based on three factors: 6x7 configuration, affordability, and lens quality

RE: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-29 Thread gsinos
I seldom contribute, because there are so many that have better and quicker answers than mine. Here I thought my input might be appropriate. Back in 1968 when I was still in high school, my folks surprised me with a pretty astounding Christmas present. They had selected a Spotmatic with a

Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-28 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Nitin Garg Subject: Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR! On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 12:50:44AM -0500, Doug Brewer wrote: Okay, I'll play. a.) Yes, that's likely true for a significant percentage of them. Read my post in answer to Bruce. I presume you

Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-28 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Thursday, March 28, 2002, at 12:29 AM, Bruce Rubenstein wrote: It's considerably more expensive than any of these cameras. I suspect that the number of cameras sold, over $500, isn't very big. Pentax needs something more competitive in the $350 - $500 class. What are the Elan 7, N80

Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-28 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
Uh, $350 - $500 with Minolta at the high end of the range. I just picked the more popular bottom end serious amateur cameras and looked up their prices. By price the PZ1-p also fits. It's not a question of how well these cameras actually function, but of perceived value based on cost, paper specs

Re: Kentucky Fried Chicken (was)Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-28 Thread ERNReed
In a message dated 28-Mar-02 1:13:53 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually, the worlds first Kentucky Fried Chicken Restaurant is in Salt Lake City, Utah. (go figure) Huh ... The one in Corbin, Ky, claims to be first. Or maybe you mean the first KFC not connected

Re: Kentucky Fried Chicken (was)Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-28 Thread Nitin Garg
On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 12:13:45PM -0700, William Johnson wrote: Nitin Garg wrote: much snipping I dont have an opinion of Kentucky: never been there, dont know anything about it except for KFC started from there and being a vegetarian know nothing about KFC beyond its name.

RE: Re: Kentucky Fried Chicken (was)Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-28 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2002 14:22:23 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Kentucky Fried Chicken (was)Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR! Huh ... The one in Corbin, Ky, claims to be first. Or maybe you mean the first KFC not connected to Sanders' motel? puzzled ERNR

Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-28 Thread Doug Brewer
At 01:24 PM 3/28/02 -0500, Nitin wrote: Identifying is different (somewhat) from feeling pride. If the basis of Joe Nikon's pride is the same as that of Moe Pentax, and Joe gets to identify with a lot more shooters than Moe does, I dont see why Moe should feel pride while Joe is having his

Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-28 Thread Nitin Garg
On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 04:21:39PM -0500, Doug Brewer wrote: At 01:24 PM 3/28/02 -0500, Nitin wrote: Identifying is different (somewhat) from feeling pride. If the basis of Joe Nikon's pride is the same as that of Moe Pentax, and Joe gets to identify with a lot more shooters than Moe does, I

Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-28 Thread Nitin Garg
On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 11:19:02PM +0100, Pål Jensen wrote: Nitin wrote: If the basis of Joe Nikon's pride is the same as that of Moe Pentax, and Joe gets to identify with a lot more shooters than Moe does, I dont see why Moe should feel pride while Joe is having his insecurities

Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-27 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Tuesday, March 26, 2002, at 10:28 PM, Bruce Rubenstein wrote: Pentax has to have some cameras, for people who don't already have Pentaxes, that people think of when models like Elan 7, N80 and Maxxum 7 are considered. The ZX-5n is nice, but it's old and doesn't compare well on paper.

Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-27 Thread Doug Brewer
At 01:53 AM 3/27/02 -0500, you wrote: Isn't it still possible for some org to still buy pentax ? Why would a company buy Pentax when Canon or Nikon will =give= them equipment? But of all people there with their brand by choice, u still dont know how many are pentaxers, do you ? Yes, if you

Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-27 Thread Doug Brewer
At 12:55 PM 3/27/02 -0500, Nitin wrote: small companies ? How small? I personally cannot count ratios or percentages this way. YMMV. You count the whole group. Then count the Pentax shooters. Take the number of Pentax shooters and divide it by the number in the whole group. That will give

Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-27 Thread Doug Brewer
Nikon has a long and storied history of giving equipment, either out-right or on extended loan to influential photogs/organizations in order to be seen as the equipment the pros use. That practice, along with availability of loaners/repairs for those same organizations/photogs or at

Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-27 Thread Nitin Garg
On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 02:10:08PM -0500, Doug Brewer wrote: At 12:55 PM 3/27/02 -0500, Nitin wrote: small companies ? How small? small enough perhaps for nikon/canon to not bother with them and they have to make their own buys. I personally cannot count ratios or percentages this

Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-27 Thread Nitin Garg
On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 03:50:38PM -0500, Doug Brewer wrote: Nitin, I really don't know what you are arguing. When I wrote: ANYway... Should you happen to be watching or attending some sporting event and glance down into the pits or along the sidelines to see someone happily

Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-27 Thread Nitin Garg
On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 12:50:44AM -0500, Doug Brewer wrote: Okay, I'll play. a.) Yes, that's likely true for a significant percentage of them. Read my post in answer to Bruce. I presume you mean its true they are shooting using equipment of their choice. b.) If you are the only

RE: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-26 Thread John Coyle
I've stayed out of this one so far, but here are a few thoughts. This isn't about quality or price! Pentax will never get into the 35mm pro world in the same way as Canon and Nikon until and unless it does the same deals with rentals and loaners as they do. Even then, it would take years to

RE: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-26 Thread Doug Brewer
On September 15, 2000, I posted this as beginning of a thread called Pentax on the Sidelines. I believe it is still valid. Quote Just some thoughts on a Pentax presence in the pro arena: It ain't gonna happen. When I say pro here, I'm talking about sport shooters, a miniscule percentage of

RE: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-26 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
There seems to be this concept that the world, outside of Pentax, is divided up into pros and neophytes. Whatever happened to those exerienced amateurs? You know, all thoses people who by models in between entry level and pro? I seem to recall that Canon, among others, makes a few models besides

Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-26 Thread Nitin Garg
On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 10:10:03PM -0500, Doug Brewer wrote: Quote ANYway... Should you happen to be watching or attending some sporting event and glance down into the pits or along the sidelines to see someone happily shooting away with Pentax equipment, you can be proud, because you know

Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-26 Thread Doug Brewer
I'm sorry, but I don't understand. At 10:30 PM -05003/26/02, Nitin Garg wrote, or at least typed: The happy-pentax-shooter need not be shooting pentax by choice much the same way as you say the given-nikon-or-canon-to-shoot ones are. -- Douglas Forrest Brewer Ashwood Lake Photography

Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-25 Thread David Spaulding
I think you are correct about Pentax not pursuing the pro market. Pentax is stuck at the chicken-or-egg phase of that market and seems to have no inclination to try to get into it. I can understand that as ROI would probably suck if not be outright negative. The 35mm SLR Pentax market

Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-25 Thread Kevin Hall
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Patrick White [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes The only problem I can see with their marketing strategy on this is that they continue to take it in the shorts on brand perception because of this. No serious professional (or professional wannabe) would consider Pentax

Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-25 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Kevin Hall Subject: Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR! When your talking about pro gear you're really only talking about four brands, Leica, Hassleblad, Nikon and Canon. Most self-proclaimed advanced amateurs almost certainly would never have the kind

Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-25 Thread Mark Roberts
William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whether or not the amateur will ever invest in the pro camera is immaterial. What is important to the consumer is the cachet value that the brand imparts. Having an F5 in the lineup makes an F50 look like better equipment. The benefit derived is purely

Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-24 Thread Pål Jensen
Bruce wrote: Pentax will have a hard time being price competetive with a first DSLR compared to the more experienced makers. Who are the more experienced makers? Just because Nikon and Canon released immature digital slr's at a loss at an early stage doesn't necessarily put them in a better

Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-24 Thread gabriel bovino
... any ideas anyone? Gabe - Original Message - From: Bruce Rubenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 5:28 PM Subject: Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR! The Kodak cameras were expensive. I don't see why quoting the Canon price isn't fair. It's

Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-24 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
Uh, right. Let's see who's where in 5 years. --- Pål_Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who are the more experienced makers? Just because Nikon and Canon released immature digital slr's at a loss at an early stage doesn't necessarily put them in a better position. Pål Yahoo! Movies -

Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-24 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
] Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 5:28 PM Subject: Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR! The Kodak cameras were expensive. I don't see why quoting the Canon price isn't fair. It's on the BH site and they are taking orders. Repeating a price, based on speculation, to make a point is stretching

Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-24 Thread Paul Stenquist
Bruce Rubenstein wrote: Uh, right. Let's see who's where in 5 years. Pentax seems to have marketing savvy. I wouldn't count them out. Bruce, on the other hand, will be back on the Nikon list. Paul - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net

Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-23 Thread Len Paris
I appreciate the verve, enthusiasm, and good intentions with which you made that statement but 5 years ago was 1997 and computers were a lot more powerful than you give them credit for being. Unless you have some good, recognized references for a statement like that, you shouldn't make it. Len

Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-23 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
The DSLRs that pros are buying aren't close to 7k. The ones based on pro bodies are under 5K. The D60 D100 (based on midline consumer bodies) are around 2k. What I've found interesting is that pro Canon shooters who would never have considered using an Elan 7, have snapped up the D30 (same body)

Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-23 Thread Mark Erickson
Len Wrote: I appreciate the verve, enthusiasm, and good intentions with which you made that statement but 5 years ago was 1997 and computers were a lot more powerful than you give them credit for being. Unless you have some good, recognized references for a statement like that, you shouldn't

Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-23 Thread Mark Erickson
Bruce Wrote: The DSLRs that pros are buying aren't close to 7k. The ones based on pro bodies are under 5K. The D60 D100 (based on midline consumer bodies) are around 2k. What I've found interesting is that pro Canon shooters who would never have considered using an Elan 7, have snapped up

Re: Pentax WILL produce a digital SLR!

2002-03-23 Thread dave o'brien
On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Len Paris wrote: I appreciate the verve, enthusiasm, and good intentions with which you made that statement but 5 years ago was 1997 and computers were a lot more powerful than you give them credit for being. Unless you have some good, recognized references for a