Not to disagree with your concept, but in general I find marque-
centric equipment lists to be generally poor places for the
development of photographic aesthetic appreciation. I invite you to
join my mailing list, SeePhoto, and/or the Picture A Week mailing
list where you should raise a sim
Hi Boris,
To start, photographs are by nature as you describe, a frozen moment in time
(as you are of course aware). There is nothing wrong with that. That, to
my way of thinking, is the reason behind the invention of photography
itself. To capture isolated moments, document them, in a poss
I found my own work to be pretty static. I tried to jazz it up, but it all
seemed forced.
So I embraced static as my style, went with it, became even more concious of
horizontal and vertical lines... and things sort of worked themselves out.
-Aaron
-Original Message-
From: Boris Lib
You're talking like a nature photographer, or an architectural
photographer. Once you start photographing people and dynamic situations,
for the most part there's no time to "contemplate" the meaning of it all.
You've gotta make your decisions quickly and move on to the next shot.
Boris, heed Go
, 2006 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: Talking photography - dynamics
Not to disagree with your concept, but in general I find marque-
centric equipment lists to be generally poor places for the
development of photographic aesthetic appreciation. I invite you to
join my mailing list, SeePhoto, and/or
Boris,
Some things to play with:
Tripod, long shutter speeds and motion blur provided certain elements
in the frame. Silky water, wind-blurred trees, passing traffic or
people.
Directional camera movements during exposure.
Freeze motion in a condensed moment (a statement hopefully open to
int
True, I was speaking from my own experience, keeping in mind the subject
matter I see/recall in Boris's photographs.
Tom C.
From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: RE: Talking photography - dynam
Shel wrote:
You're talking like a nature photographer, or an architectural
photographer. Once you start photographing people and dynamic
situations,
for the most part there's no time to "contemplate" the meaning of it
all.
You've gotta make your decisions quickly and move on to the next
shot
On Mar 28, 2006, at 11:54 AM, Jostein wrote:
Finally, did you ever read On Being a Photographer?
Shel, I'm sorry I have deleted your recent reference to that book.
Do you have an ISBN?
Don't know what the ISBN is, but you can order it (and its sister
publications, "Single Exposures" and
On Mar 28, 2006, at 11:19 AM, Jostein wrote:
Does that mean there's nothing left for PDML except what's between
bickering and flame wars?
That describes about 90% of what passes for discussion on the PDML.
It's the other ten percent that motivate me to continue following the
list...
Go
Thanks Godfrey. :-)
Jostein
- Original Message -
From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PDML"
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: Talking photography - dynamics
On Mar 28, 2006, at 11:54 AM, Jostein wrote:
Finally, di
I think it´s a great question, and why not ask it here, as well as
any other place...
My answer is: Use the composition!
Remember that most "rules" are aimed at obtaining harmonic, in many
ways static, pictures. Rules telling us that a person should be
looking/moving into the frame, you s
On 3/28/06, Jostein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Panning.
I think that's really good advice. Just for practise (since you've
got a dslr and it won't cost you anything ), stand on a street
corner and take some shots of passing traffic. Use a slowish shutter
speed, like 1/60th, and just follow a
Boris,
It's simple. Language is the first art.
Just make your photos "talk". Give each shot an intentional message
that you want to communicate.
Learn to speak in the language of pictures.
What's the best place to learn this is -- books. Especially check
out ancient documents or even mode
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
On Mar 28, 2006, at 11:19 AM, Jostein wrote:
Does that mean there's nothing left for PDML except what's between
bickering and flame wars?
That describes about 90% of what passes for discussion on the PDML.
It's the other ten percent that motivate me to continue fo
On 28/3/06, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:
>I wonder what kind of advise I would get from my fellow PDMLers if I
>were to ask you - how could I make my photography slightly more dynamic...
Go to the biggest book shop in Tel Aviv and start buying books by great
photographers. Spend a
On 28/3/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
>You can subscribe to
>SeePhoto by using the web subscription interface available at
> http://www.micapeak.com/lists/seephoto
>and PAW by using
> http://www.micapeak.com/lists/paw
>
>I admin SeePhoto and I co-admin PAW.
Bleedin' spam
On 28/3/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
>That describes about 90% of what passes for discussion on the PDML.
>It's the other ten percent that motivate me to continue following the
>list...
Don't forget the lowest of the low... the 5% or so like me who plumb the
darkest depth
On Mar 28, 2006, at 12:32 PM, Cotty wrote:
You can subscribe to
SeePhoto by using the web subscription interface available at
http://www.micapeak.com/lists/seephoto
and PAW by using
http://www.micapeak.com/lists/paw
I admin SeePhoto and I co-admin PAW.
Bleedin' spam everywhere!!!
Just
On 28/3/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
>Just as clarification in case anyone gets the wrong idea: The mailing
>lists I mentioned do not propagate any spam at all. PAW is a more
>active mailing list than SeePhoto, but both are 100% spam free.
>
>Cotty is referring to my posti
On 3/28/06, Doug Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> gee, sorry we don't have a better class of people around here.
Hey, I'm a schmuck, and proud of it!
cheers,
frank
--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
On 28/3/06, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:
>Hey, I'm a schmuck, and proud of it!
I'd have to agree.
That you're proud of it ;-
Hey buddy, did you get my response to your buildings project? I emailed
you off list as well...
Cheers,
Cotty
___/\__
|| (O) | Peop
On 3/28/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'd have to agree.
>
>
> That you're proud of it ;-
>
> Hey buddy, did you get my response to your buildings project? I emailed
> you off list as well...
>
Yes, I did get your post and the off-list e-mail. I've been derelict
in my reply duties,
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
On Mar 28, 2006, at 11:54 AM, Jostein wrote:
Finally, did you ever read On Being a Photographer?
Shel, I'm sorry I have deleted your recent reference to that book.
Do you have an ISBN?
Don't know what the ISBN is, but you can order it (and its sister
publicat
>
> On 28/3/06, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >I wonder what kind of advise I would get from my fellow PDMLers if I
> >were to ask you - how could I make my photography slightly
> more dynamic...
>
> Go to the biggest book shop in Tel Aviv and start buying
> books by great p
Hi, Boris,
I'm going to offer a photo thought, or two, that may be a change of
direction for you. I'll admit to not being that aware of your style of
shooting, so forgive the presumption.
Notice the light. I've been stopped a number of times while traveling
through scenic 'hunting grounds' when the
And I always thought you existed to swerve.
Hoist the topsails, then spanker.
Cotty wrote:
I exist to serve :-)
There have been some good suggestions so far but I'll add one of my
own anyway. Go to art museums and spend time looking at art. Not just
photography, though that's certainly useful, but painting as well.
Decide what stuff you really like. THEN... spend some time working
out, as best you can, *why*
On 3/28/06, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In addition, I would also suggest investigating the rules of composition. I
> will point out here, in the perhaps forlorn hope of stalling any future
> argument, that of course they aren't really rules but statistical
> observations about what has wo
On Mar 28, 2006, at 4:37 PM, frank theriault wrote:
Oo!
Good recovery!
"Rules?! There ARE no rules in a knife fight!"
-Aaron
On 3/28/06, Aaron Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> "Rules?! There ARE no rules in a knife fight!"
The only "rule" I recognize is that for real art, one must use film.
The corollary to that is that digital is without soul, and is clearly
the work of the Satan.
cheers,
knarf
--
"Shar
On Mar 28, 2006, at 4:54 PM, frank theriault wrote:
The only "rule" I recognize is that for real art, one must use film.
The corollary to that is that digital is without soul, and is clearly
the work of the Satan.
You and your soul-less flexible base film -- bah, I spit on your
plastic resin
Who is "the Satan" and how does he differ from the one true Satan?
G
On Mar 28, 2006, at 1:54 PM, frank theriault wrote:
"Rules?! There ARE no rules in a knife fight!"
The only "rule" I recognize is that for real art, one must use film.
The corollary to that is that digital is without soul,
And you don't know squat about me. Not only do I love nature, but I've
spent more time hiking, climbing, exploring, and lost in the back woods
than I venture many people on this list have. In addition, I work with
animals, and have developed a small client base for my cat photography,
only a very
In fact, don't delete it until much, much later, if at all. You'd be
surprised what can be found in the trash. If not a great or good photo
then maybe an idea.
Shel
> [Original Message]
> From: frank theriault
> Don't delete stuff that looks wonky - wait until you get home and look
> at it
On 28/3/06, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:
>Mea culpa.
>
>I'll formulate a response in due course...
No need to mate - just glad to know you saw it :-)
Cheers,
Cotty
___/\__
|| (O) | People, Places, Pastiche
||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
On 3/28/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Who is "the Satan" and how does he differ from the one true Satan?
>
It started out as "the devil", then I meant to change it to simply
"Satan", but forgot to take the "the".
I didn't mean to start anything (except with Aaron) .
cheers,
On 28/3/06, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:
>The only "rule" I recognize is that for real art, one must use film.
>The corollary to that is that digital is without soul, and is clearly
>the work of the Satan.
Satan has no.heart.
Cheers,
Cotty
___/\__
|| (O) | Peo
On 28/3/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
>Who is "the Satan" and how does he differ from the one true Satan?
Why do I suddenly get a vision of Godders sat at his Mac, a pair of
horns on his head and a barbed tail lashing to and fro...
Cheers,
Cotty
___/\__
|| (O)
> -Original Message-
> From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 28 March 2006 23:13
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: Talking photography - dynamics
>
> On 3/28/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Who is "
I had a flash image in my noggin of Wm Robb in a bad mood.
Even though I don't know him. grin.
\Cotty wrote:
On 28/3/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
Who is "the Satan" and how does he differ from the one true Satan?
Why do I suddenly get a vision of Godders sat at his Mac, a
Aaron Reynolds wrote:
>On Mar 28, 2006, at 4:54 PM, frank theriault wrote:
>
>> The only "rule" I recognize is that for real art, one must use film.
>> The corollary to that is that digital is without soul, and is clearly
>> the work of the Satan.
>
>You and your soul-less flexible base film -- ba
On 3/29/06, Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I wonder what kind of advise I would get from my fellow PDMLers if I
> were to ask you - how could I make my photography slightly more dynamic...
>
> Thanks.
>
> Boris
Drop the camera during the exposure? :-)
Dave
--
"All I ask is the chanc
> On 28/3/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi asked:
>
>Who is "the Satan" and how does he differ from the one true Satan?
http://home.earthlink.net/~shel-pix/satan1.html
Get a video camera .
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---
Boris Liberman wrote:
Hi!
Ladies and Gentlemen, perhaps it is time we spent some time talking
about photography and photograph
Hey, Doug, I'm a beer drinker, this is my class of people with the
exception...
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---
Doug Brewer wrote:
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
On Mar 28, 2006, at
I will second Mark's recommendation with the addition that most public
libraries have a fairly large section on art. Look at the works of the
so called old masters, there is a reason they are called that, one can
learn a lot about what makes a strong picture from this exercise.
graywolf
http:/
You luddite.
-Aaron
-Original Message-
From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subj: Re: Talking photography - dynamics
Date: Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:30 pm
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Aaron Reynolds wrote:
>On Mar 28, 2006, at 4:54 PM, frank theriault wrote:
The rules of thumb are for those in the middle level between those who
do not know or care what they are doing, and those that no longer need
such rules. They allow one to produce something somewhat interesting
until one can do that without thinking. Then one moves on to thinking
beyond those s
On 3/29/06, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey, Doug, I'm a beer drinker, this is my class of people with the
> exception...
>
>
>
> graywolf
> http://www.graywolfphoto.com
> http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
> "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
> ---
I do
On Mar 28, 2006, at 2:14 PM, Cotty wrote:
On 28/3/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
Who is "the Satan" and how does he differ from the one true Satan?
Why do I suddenly get a vision of Godders sat at his Mac, a pair of
horns on his head and a barbed tail lashing to and fro..
HAR! Excellent!
On Mar 28, 2006, at 8:04 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
On Mar 28, 2006, at 2:14 PM, Cotty wrote:
On 28/3/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
Who is "the Satan" and how does he differ from the one true Satan?
Why do I suddenly get a vision of Godders sat at his
nt: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: Talking photography - dynamics
Aaron Reynolds wrote:
On Mar 28, 2006, at 4:54 PM, frank theriault wrote:
The only "rule" I recognize is that for real art, one must use film.
The corollary to that is that digital is without soul, an
Hi, Boris. Immediately after reading your query I thought of a little
blurb from the "National Geographic Photography Field Guide". Pages
182 and 183 for those of you who may have a copy.
"A poetic man, an artist with a camera who wanted to make "quiet
pictures," Sam Abell nearly failed his goal
On 28/3/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
>> Why do I suddenly get a vision of Godders sat at his Mac, a pair of
>> horns on his head and a barbed tail lashing to and fro...
>
>I don't know ... http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW4/45.htm
>
>Godfrey
I knew it! ;-)
John Coyle wrote:
>From: "Mark Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> Aaron Reynolds wrote:
>>
>>>On Mar 28, 2006, at 4:54 PM, frank theriault wrote:
>>>
The only "rule" I recognize is that for real art, one must use film.
The corollary to that is that digital is without soul, and is clearly
By using a video camera, Boris.
Capturing a moment of time is what i like about photography. The real world
is constanly moving. Still photography makes it possible to dwell at one
single moment for a longer period fo time. This is brilliant.
Actual movemnet can be suggested by using a slow shutter
Quoting Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> And you don't know squat about me.
Only what you expose to the list, of course.
> Not only do I love nature, but I've
> spent more time hiking, climbing, exploring, and lost in the back woods
> than I venture many people on this list have. In ad
On 3/30/06, Jostein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Quoting Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > I don't have an ISBN for the book. I don't do ISBN's - just search for it
> > by name on Google - it's published by Lenswork
If you have the book, you have the ISBN. :-)
> Thanks, I will order it
But I don't have the book, or, more precisely, the book is not here. It is
out on loan. In any case, I never look up books using the ISBN, only by
author/title.
BTW, the "same" book may have different ISBN's depending on which edition
or printing it may be. So, if you have an earlier edition, a
>
> From: "Aaron Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/03/29 Wed AM 01:04:00 GMT
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: Talking photography - dynamics
>
> You luddite.
>
> -Aaron
_Real_ Luddites use paper negatives. Maybe they shoul
>
> From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/03/29 Wed PM 12:17:06 GMT
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: Talking photography - dynamics
>
> John Coyle wrote:
>
> >From: "Mark Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> &
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