Bob W wrote:
>>> William Robb wrote:
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[...] with the consequence being that an image
could be defined as an image created by the visitor.
>>> You'd make a good security analyst. ;-)
>>>
>> Almost 30 years of living with a paralegal and hanging out
>> w
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From: "Bob W"
Subject: RE: WTF: Zoo license agreement?
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> as I read it it says that by walking past the sign, even without
> reading it, you waive all rights to a fair trail in all jurisdictions,
> and confer upon the zoo all your land, p
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> > William Robb wrote:
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> >> [...] with the consequence being that an image
> >> could be defined as an image created by the visitor.
> >
> > You'd make a good security analyst. ;-)
>
> Almost 30 years of living with a paralegal and hanging out
> with lawyers...
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> William Robb
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> Subject: Re: WTF: Zoo license agreement?
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> > This thread is nonsense. Mindless paranoia.
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> Sorry Godfrey.
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> This thread is nonsense. Mindless paranoia.
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Sorry Godfrey.
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From: "Doug Franklin"
Subject: Re: WTF: Zoo license agreement?
> William Robb wrote:
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>> [...] with the consequence being that an image
>> could be defined as an image created by the visitor.
>
> You'd make a good se
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> The paranoia over this issue is borderline ridiculous.
Well, some here may be suffering from paranoia over the issue, I'm
simply discussing the way it's worded. And I'll stand by my assertion
that the wording does not constrain them, even though I know the risk of
t
William Robb wrote:
> [...] with the consequence being that an image
> could be defined as an image created by the visitor.
You'd make a good security analyst. ;-)
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can mark up the job for the client.
That's the way the business works. This thread is nonsense. Mindless paranoia.
Paul
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But again, they have to protect themselves in case you inadvertently appear in
the background of a photo. I worked for the advertising agency, Doner
Advertising, that does thw Detroit Zoo's ads. The television commercials and
print ads are scripted and sold well in advance. The shoots at the zoo
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From: "Doug Franklin"
Subject: Re: WTF: Zoo license agreement?
> Anthony Farr wrote:
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>> The way I read it [...]
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> My general approach to legalese is to take /nothing/ for granted. :-)
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>> assured that the zoo's adv
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From: "Anthony Farr"
Subject: RE: WTF: Zoo license agreement?
> Doug Franklin observed:
> "Read liberally, if you ever visit Zoo
> Atlanta, that clause gives them the right to use any photo (for example)
> of you they can find for any pu
Anthony Farr wrote:
> The way I read it [...]
My general approach to legalese is to take /nothing/ for granted. :-)
> assured that the zoo's advertising agency is not stalking you to get
> perpetually model-released and royalty free images to plaster up wherever
> they choose, no further consent
tually model-released and royalty free images to plaster up wherever
they choose, no further consent needed.
Regards,
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On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Of course it's legal. No one is forcing him to go to the zoo.
Sounds like his kids are.:-)
Dave
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On 19/6/08, Cory Waters, discombobulated, unleashed:
>visitor grants
>permission to the Zoo Atlanta and its agent to utilize Visitor's image,
>likeness and/or sound recordings for the purpose whatsoever in perpetuity.
Er, they have to acquire you images first ;)
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On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 8:23 AM, Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> that can't be legal
Well...
Here's the thing: The zoo is private property (even if it's a
publicly owned zoo, it's still private property). If one doesn't like
that term in the contract one needn't buy a ticket and enter
Well you'd be all alone then. Major dailies always run zoo stories,
complete with photos. Zoos are generally not evil, just careful. As
they should be.
Paul
On Jun 19, 2008, at 9:20 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
> In the over broad interpretation of commerciality that I've seen
> promulgated by some
that should be "...if it didn't "bleed" I wouldn't publish that."
P. J. Alling wrote:
> In the over broad interpretation of commerciality that I've seen
> promulgated by some msiumes lately, if I were publishing a newspaper I
> doubt I'd print any news item about the zoo if it included photos,
Of course not. Photography licensing is a source of much needed
income for zoos. If you want to use a pic taken at a zoo for
commercial purposes, they're entitled to payment. As I mentioned in
another message, they will provide license for photography. You can
take pictures for your own use
In the over broad interpretation of commerciality that I've seen
promulgated by some msiumes lately, if I were publishing a newspaper I
doubt I'd print any news item about the zoo if it included photos, and
that said if it didn't "bleed" I would publish that. Using the story
and photo as promo
No. They are certainly allowed to restrict commercial use of photos.
Most zoos will offer a phodo-use license at a fairly reasonable rate.
And consider that most zoos are bleeding money. In order to keep the
doors open, they have to try to maintain their property rights.
Paul
On Jun 19, 2008,
I would agree, but it also says you can't sell pictures that you take there
rg2
On 6/19/08, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's enough for their purposes. They're not going to feature an
> unaware visitor in an ad or depict him in a bad way. It's just
> covering their butt in cas
It's enough for their purposes. They're not going to feature an
unaware visitor in an ad or depict him in a bad way. It's just
covering their butt in case he ends up in the background of a photo.
Paul
On Jun 19, 2008, at 8:33 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
> Well that's certainly a one way agreement
Of course it's legal. No one is forcing him to go to the zoo.
Paul
On Jun 19, 2008, at 8:23 AM, Rebekah wrote:
> that can't be legal
>
> rg2
>
> On 6/19/08, Cory Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> We've had a lot of discussions about photographer's rights. I was on
>> the local Zoo's websit
That's just a cover their ass statement. If you happen to end up in a
photo or recording that the zoo produces for publicity or educational
purposes, you can't demand payment. They have to do it. Too many
people out there who will hit them up for money at the click of a
shutter.
Paul
On Jun
I think the first part violates fare use doctrine as well.
Rebekah wrote:
> that can't be legal
>
> rg2
>
> On 6/19/08, Cory Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> We've had a lot of discussions about photographer's rights. I was on
>> the local Zoo's website today because we're taking our
Well that's certainly a one way agreement they're assuming. I wonder if
they think that simply posting it is enough.
Cory Waters wrote:
> We've had a lot of discussions about photographer's rights. I was on
> the local Zoo's website today because we're taking our herd there later
> on. Then
Cory Waters wrote:
> *Photography & Videography*
> Visitor agrees not to commercially use any photography or reproduction
> in any form taken during any visits to Zoo Atlanta, and visitor grants
> permission to the Zoo Atlanta and its agent to utilize Visitor's image,
> likeness and/or sound re
that can't be legal
rg2
On 6/19/08, Cory Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We've had a lot of discussions about photographer's rights. I was on
> the local Zoo's website today because we're taking our herd there later
> on. Then I noticed this little tidbit tucked away on the bottom of th
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