Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-19 Thread Jostein
Maybe he's a friend of JT LeRoy...:-) Jostein - Original Message - From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Do you think this guy actually has a psychopathic/identity problem or does he get his kicks this way? He told me one time when he was berating me offlist (I probably deserve

Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-18 Thread Joseph Tainter
Wow, Wow, Wow!!! Thanks for the laugh! Tom C. From: Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 09:46:44 -0700 Mafud lives! Now dba Ed Greene:

Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-18 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Tom C" Subject: Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT) Mafud lives! Now dba Ed Greene: Do you think this guy actually has a psychopathic/identity problem or does he get his kicks this way? He told me one time when he wa

RE: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-18 Thread Bob W
: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT) > > Bob W wrote: > > >Nice to see that Bruce Rubenstein put in an appearance in > that thread too. > > Oh, I'd forgotten about him. Some of my favorite Rubenstein quotes: > > "Thinking that Pentax will start s

Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-18 Thread Tom C
Mafud lives! Now dba Ed Greene: Yup. Pseudo Mafud. Fer sure. I wonder if he'd remember me. William Robb Do you think this guy actually has a psychopathic/identity problem or does he get his kicks this way? Tom C.

Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-18 Thread Tom C
. at times. The other option could be that this is Son of Mafud. Tom C. From: John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 16:05:46 -0400 But nowh

Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-18 Thread John Francis
stein wrote: > Wow... > That's every bit as manic as I remember Mafud. > > Jostein > > - Original Message - > From: "Joseph Tainter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:46 PM > Subject: Re: OT: Controversial subject

Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-18 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob W wrote: >Nice to see that Bruce Rubenstein put in an appearance in that thread too. Oh, I'd forgotten about him. Some of my favorite Rubenstein quotes: "Thinking that Pentax will start selling an up to date DSLR, when they've sold nothing more than simple P&S digital cameras, is pure fanta

Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-18 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Thu, 18 May 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cotty once took on the persona of a lunatic school teacher from London, Ontario. He eventually tired of it. Umm, make a search for 'discombobulation' in: http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00FVwm&tag= Cotty? Kostas

Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-18 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob W wrote: If I remember correctly, Mafud and Kirkland Ramsay III >(Presbyterian) where arguing vehemently against each other, with >Matt (?) Grene providing vociferous support to one of the main >protagonists. What made it so special >is that all three of them were, in fact, the same person..

RE: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-18 Thread Bob W
Nice to see that Bruce Rubenstein put in an appearance in that thread too. -- Cheers, Bob > -Original Message- > From: Aaron Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 18 May 2006 17:57 > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zon

Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-18 Thread Mark Roberts
Norman Baugher wrote: >Join the crowd...what a whack job. I do remember the look on TV's face, at >GFM, when I introduced myself to him as Brad Dodo - it was rather >frightening. Ah yes, one of the classic Norm Baugher incidents! (I wish I had been there to watch.)

Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-18 Thread Fred
> Actually, Bill Robb is Kirkland Ramsay, Mafud and Matt Grene. And "The Who", too. Fred

Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-18 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Joseph Tainter" Subject: Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT) Mafud lives! Now dba Ed Greene: http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00FVwm&tag= Yup. Pseudo Mafud. Fer sure. I wonder if he'd rememb

Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-18 Thread pnstenquist
Actually, Bill Robb is Kirkland Ramsay, Mafud and Matt Grene. He denies it vociferously, of course, but those in the know have been aware of it for a long time. Other list members have assumed alter egos as well. Cotty once took on the persona of a lunatic school teacher from London, Ontario. H

Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-18 Thread pnstenquist
Actually, Bill Robb is Kirkland Ramsay, Mafud and Matt Grene. He denies it vociferously, of course, but those in the know have been aware of it for a long time. Other list members have assumed alter egos as well. Cotty once took on the persona of a lunatic school teacher from London, Ontario. He

Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-18 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On May 18, 2006, at 12:57 PM, Norman Baugher wrote: Join the crowd...what a whack job. I do remember the look on TV's face, at GFM, when I introduced myself to him as Brad Dodo - it was rather frightening. Oh, brilliant! Wish I had thought of that. -Aaron

Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-18 Thread Jostein
Wow... That's every bit as manic as I remember Mafud. Jostein - Original Message - From: "Joseph Tainter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:46 PM Subject: Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT) Mafud lives! Now

Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-18 Thread Tom C
Wow, Wow, Wow!!! Thanks for the laugh! Tom C. From: Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 09:46:44 -0700 Mafud lives! Now dba Ed

Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-18 Thread Norman Baugher
Join the crowd...what a whack job. I do remember the look on TV's face, at GFM, when I introduced myself to him as Brad Dodo - it was rather frightening. Norm From: "Don Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I remember Mafud and got some friendly off-list emails from him at one stage. But from Brad

Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-18 Thread Aaron Reynolds
OH MY GOD THAT THREAD HAS DEFINITIVE PROOF. Thank you for sharing it, Joe. -Aaron On May 18, 2006, at 12:46 PM, Joseph Tainter wrote: Mafud lives! Now dba Ed Greene: http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00FVwm&tag= Joe

Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-18 Thread Don Williams
I remember Mafud and got some friendly off-list emails from him at one stage. But from Brad Dobo I got promises of bodily harm (that included the loss of all my teeth) in response to a diplomatic (and kindly I thought) suggestion that he seek help. I have a feeling I was not the only one threat

Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-18 Thread Joseph Tainter
Mafud lives! Now dba Ed Greene: http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00FVwm&tag= Joe

Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-18 Thread Joseph Tainter
"If I remember correctly, Mafud and Kirkland Ramsay III (Presbyterian) where arguing vehemently against each other, with Matt (?) Grene providing vociferous support to one of the main protagonists. What made it so special is that all three of them were, in fact, the same person..." Wow. I reme

Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-18 Thread Norman Baugher
Didn't Brad Dodo join in somewhere to, but I believe he was replying to his own posts... Norm From: "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If I remember correctly, Mafud and Kirkland Ramsay III (Presbyterian) where arguing vehemently against each other, with Matt (?) Grene providing vociferous support t

Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-18 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Christian" Subject: Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT) I joined the list sometime around April, 2001 so I just missed the Mafud era. After reading the above, I'm almost sorry I missed it! :-) He was fun for a w

Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-18 Thread Christian
Bob W wrote: If I remember correctly, Mafud and Kirkland Ramsay III (Presbyterian) where arguing vehemently against each other, with Matt (?) Grene providing vociferous support to one of the main protagonists. What made it so special is that all three of them were, in fact, the same person...

RE: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-17 Thread Bob W
> -Original Message- > From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > I believe that there was a thread with the wonderful subject line > > "Lobbing hand-grenades over the transom". Perhaps it was > "Throwing", > > not lobbing. But the thread title has stuck with me for a > numb

Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-17 Thread Bart Van Hoyweghen
C'mon, now you've spoiled it for me... It is like telling the end of a movie... Bart >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 17/05/2006 22:47 >>> Okay, so what happens next is that everyone who doesn't live in America will chime in how evil America is, and some people who do live in America will jump in and a

Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-17 Thread Kenneth Waller
Yeah but he started it! Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "Doug Brewer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT) Okay, so what happens next is that everyone who doesn't live in America will chime in how evil America is, and some people wh

Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-17 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT) . :-)However, we respect each other so I seriously doubt we will get into a flame war. Eeek. Is that how it works? If I don't respect a person, I generally won't be bothered to flame

Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-17 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/17/2006 2:50:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: most of us have been hanging around long enough that we have finally discussed everything several times, and know each other's opinions about every subject under the sun. At worst, we can probably predict them

Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-17 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/17/2006 4:21:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Anyways, I recall that it was one of the most useless threads in the > history of the PDML. It was a Kirkl*nd R*msey thread and very education from a behavioral perspective :-) Rob Studdert = Dr

Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-17 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/17/2006 1:52:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Okay, so what happens next is that everyone who doesn't live in America will chime in how evil America is, and some people who do live in America will jump in and agree, while some people who live in Ame

Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-17 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Aaron Reynolds" Subject: Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT) I believe that there was a thread with the wonderful subject line "Lobbing hand-grenades over the transom". Perhaps it was "Throwing", not

Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-17 Thread David Savage
On 5/18/06, Doug Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So that's the next week on this thread, the Reader's Digest Condensed version, without the profanity. Can we just skip it now? Oh OK. But it sounded fun :-) Dave S.

Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-17 Thread Aaron Reynolds
Good sleuthin', Rob! Plus, I remember it was the tipoff that KR and Mafud were one and the same -- he used the phrase again in January '01. -Aaron -Original Message- It was a Kirkl*nd R*msey thread and very education from a behavioral perspective :-)

Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-17 Thread Rob Studdert
On 17 May 2006 at 17:50, Aaron Reynolds wrote: > > On May 17, 2006, at 5:43 PM, Bob W wrote: > > > So, to short-circuit further long, involved and ultimately pointless > > threads, somebody needs to trawl the archives and set up a database of > > subjects and opinions, cross-referred to people o

Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-17 Thread Lewis Matthew
Wow! Asking the local ACLU to define 'eternal vigilance' can really light a fire . Lewis From: Doug Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:47:20 -0400 Okay, so what

Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-17 Thread Lewis Matthew
Wow! Asking the local ACLU to define 'eternal vigilance' can really light a fire . Lewis From: Doug Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:47:20 -0400 Okay, so what

Re: OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-17 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On May 17, 2006, at 5:43 PM, Bob W wrote: So, to short-circuit further long, involved and ultimately pointless threads, somebody needs to trawl the archives and set up a database of subjects and opinions, cross-referred to people or simply categorized (pinko, fascist, God-botherer, Satan-worshi

OT: Controversial subjects (RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-17 Thread Bob W
> -Original Message- > From: Doug Brewer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > So that's the next week on this thread, the Reader's Digest > Condensed version, without the profanity. > > Can we just skip it now? most of us have been hanging around long enough that we have finally discussed eve

Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-17 Thread graywolf
The e-mail problem is getting to you, heh? Take a week off and go shoot some photos, Doug. We will survive the problems that long. Many of us have said how much we appreciate your maintaining this list. Ignore the complainers, even that graywolf fellow and his endless complaints about censorsh

Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-17 Thread Tom C
Come on Smoochy. The world's problems get solved here! ;-) Tom C. From: Doug Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:47:20 -0400 Okay, so what happens next is that e

Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-17 Thread Doug Brewer
Okay, so what happens next is that everyone who doesn't live in America will chime in how evil America is, and some people who do live in America will jump in and agree, while some people who live in America will insist it isn't so, and so what? and then Bob will wake up and throw in some g

Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-17 Thread Lewis Matthew
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 5/16/2006 6:11:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Everyone complained when nothing was done. You can't have it both ways. === Well, I would prefer they screen immigrants and airport passengers. I never agreed to screening Ameri

Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-17 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Tom C" Subject: Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT) When it gets to the point that any speech or action considered anti-government is punishable, the USA will just be a capitalist version of the USSR. More like Iran in nice suits. William Robb

Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-17 Thread Tom C
et To: Subject: Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 08:35:46 -0600 - Original Message ----- From: "Paul Stenquist" Subject: Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT) It's only a false dichotomy when taken out of context. You left out my supporting argument. That renders your

Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-17 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT) The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. You might be interested in "Dark Age Ahead" by Jane Jacobs. William Robb

Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-17 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" Subject: Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT) It's only a false dichotomy when taken out of context. You left out my supporting argument. That renders your critique of the argument fallacious. Or, you are leaving out the possibili

Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-17 Thread Bob Shell
On May 17, 2006, at 9:46 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I would prefer they screen immigrants and airport passengers. I never agreed to screening Americans' phone calls or email. Nor did I. In other words, I have thought government reactions ever since 9/11 have been excessive and

Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-17 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/16/2006 6:11:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Everyone complained when nothing was done. You can't have it both ways. === Well, I would prefer they screen immigrants and airport passengers. I never agreed to screening Americans' phone calls or email

Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-17 Thread larrylevy2122
In a message dated 5/16/2006 5:08:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The idea is absurd, is a waste of money, is barking up the wrong tree, and is a further step toward a police state. --- We're not paying for any waste of money. We are borrowing to fund it. Our grandchildren

Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-17 Thread Paul Stenquist
10 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT) [...] It may be better than doing nothing. Everyone complained when nothing was done. You can't have it both ways. this is a false dichotomy which could be used to justify absolutely any state action. It arises from the followin

RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-17 Thread Bob W
> -Original Message- > From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 17 May 2006 02:10 > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT) > > [...] It may be > better than doing nothing. Everyone complained when nothing > was done.

Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-16 Thread graywolf
to/from the same number. The idea is absurd, is a waste of money, is barking up the wrong tree, and is a further step toward a police state. Tom C. From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT

Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-16 Thread Paul Stenquist
don't call to/from the same number. The idea is absurd, is a waste of money, is barking up the wrong tree, and is a further step toward a police state. Tom C. From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Zo

Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-16 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/16/2006 5:08:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The idea is absurd, is a waste of money, is barking up the wrong tree, and is a further step toward a police state. Tom C. === I second that. Marnie aka Doe

Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-16 Thread Paul Stenquist
That's "within the realm of the possible." On May 16, 2006, at 7:33 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: On May 16, 2006, at 3:01 PM, Tom C wrote: I just don't see how collecting data on 'all the phone calls in the United States' and 'analyzing them for patterns' will help fight terrorism. That data b

Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-16 Thread Tom C
state. Tom C. From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 19:33:24 -0400 On May 16, 2006, at 3:01 PM, Tom C wrote: I just don't see how collecting data on &

Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-16 Thread Paul Stenquist
Make that "Slim, but within the realm of the possible." On May 16, 2006, at 7:33 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: On May 16, 2006, at 3:01 PM, Tom C wrote: I just don't see how collecting data on 'all the phone calls in the United States' and 'analyzing them for patterns' will help fight terrorism

Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-16 Thread Paul Stenquist
On May 16, 2006, at 3:01 PM, Tom C wrote: I just don't see how collecting data on 'all the phone calls in the United States' and 'analyzing them for patterns' will help fight terrorism. That data base would contain a preponderance of useless, irrelevant data. Tom C. It's pretty simple,

Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-16 Thread Paul Stenquist
On May 16, 2006, at 3:08 PM, Bob Shell wrote: On May 16, 2006, at 3:01 PM, Tom C wrote: I just don't see how collecting data on 'all the phone calls in the United States' and 'analyzing them for patterns' will help fight terrorism. That data base would contain a preponderance of useless,

Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-16 Thread David Savage
LOL Dave S. On 5/17/06, Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On May 16, 2006, at 3:01 PM, Tom C wrote: > I just don't see how collecting data on 'all the phone calls in the > United States' and 'analyzing them for patterns' will help fight > terrorism. That data base would contain a preponde

Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-16 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Tom C" Subject: Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT) I just don't see how collecting data on 'all the phone calls in the United States' and 'analyzing them for patterns' will help fight terrorism. That data base would contain a p

Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-16 Thread graywolf
all the phone calls in the United States' and 'analyzing them for patterns' will help fight terrorism. That data base would contain a preponderance of useless, irrelevant data. Tom C. From: Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pent

RE: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-16 Thread Don Sanderson
Don > -Original Message- > From: Bob Shell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 2:08 PM > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT) > > > > On May 16, 2006, at 3:01 PM, Tom C wrote: > > > I just don't s

Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-16 Thread Bob Shell
On May 16, 2006, at 3:01 PM, Tom C wrote: I just don't see how collecting data on 'all the phone calls in the United States' and 'analyzing them for patterns' will help fight terrorism. That data base would contain a preponderance of useless, irrelevant data. Tom C. This from last w

Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-16 Thread Adam Maas
Checkpoint is a major firewall producer and until the Cisco PIX, Checkpoint was the defacto standard for serious firewalls. The company itself is certainly a little evil (just read the pricing/licensing for the Checkpoint software). -Adam Joseph Tainter wrote: P.S. Zone Alarm is apparently

Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-16 Thread Tom C
PROTECTED]> Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:47:46 -0700 P.S. Zone Alarm is apparently put out by CheckPoint, which is one of those companies that collects and collates information on all of us. Isn't CheckP

Re: Zone Alarm (Now OT)

2006-05-16 Thread Joseph Tainter
P.S. Zone Alarm is apparently put out by CheckPoint, which is one of those companies that collects and collates information on all of us. Isn't CheckPoint the company that had records on several hundred thousand consumers stolen a few months ago? I have heard that the Pentagon (or maybe NSA) h