Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-18 Thread Peter J. Alling
Don't you want Pentax to sell new products, (besides you could maintain full available automation, something you lose with the current converter). Village Idiot wrote: I thought that they already made a Pentax 67 Lens to Pentax 645 Body Adapter? Village Idiot In that case they could intend to

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-18 Thread Village Idiot
Silly me. Village Idiot > Don't you want Pentax to sell new products, (besides you could maintain > full available automation, something you lose with the current converter). > > Village Idiot wrote: > > >I thought that they already made a Pentax 67 Lens to Pentax 645 Body Adapter? > > > >Vil

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-18 Thread Peter J. Alling
In that case they could intend to sell a big circular lens converter for 67 lenses where you just pop that ring off and add the converter. John Francis wrote: Village Idiot mused: My biggest complaint aesthetically about "B" is the curved Pentax nameplate on the front of the viewfinder. I lik

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-18 Thread Village Idiot
I thought that they already made a Pentax 67 Lens to Pentax 645 Body Adapter? Village Idiot > In that case they could intend to sell a big circular lens converter for > 67 lenses where you just pop that ring off and add the converter. > > John Francis wrote: > > >Village Idiot mused: > > >

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-18 Thread Village Idiot
William, You are correct about "C" having a classic Pentax look. That must be why I like that body the best. Village Idiot > > - Original Message - > From: "mike wilson" > Subject: Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here > > > > Alin Flaider

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-18 Thread Cotty
On 18/3/05, Takehiko Ueda, discombobulated, unleashed: >Hi all, > >to be more spcific, the site which cotty referred to > >says as follows; > >'beside (the mock-ups), there's an inquiry as to "your >impression from models A, B and C,and your opinion about >digital cameras". lucky 3answerers wi

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-17 Thread Takehiko Ueda
PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:59 AM > Subject: Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here > > > > According to another web site (in Japanese), they > are > > taking votes as to which of the three everyone > prefers > > best at the exhibition. > >

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-17 Thread Mishka
i would say, fortunately. they are really ugly. mishka On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:36:16 -0800, Marco Alpert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > unfortunately there's no large version yet.

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-17 Thread Herb Chong
ubject: Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here > According to another web site (in Japanese), they are > taking votes as to which of the three everyone prefers > best at the exhibition.

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-17 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "mike wilson" Subject: Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here Alin Flaider wrote: Citroens follow the shape of a falling blob, the B (and the thing that inspired it) look like inflated frogs. Now we know what you do during those long, cold, lonel

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-17 Thread John Francis
Village Idiot mused: > > My biggest complaint aesthetically about "B" is the curved > Pentax nameplate on the front of the viewfinder. I like the > classic straight name. I think the curved nameplate has a cheap > look to it, as if Pentax was unable to fit it on a straight line. If you look at

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-17 Thread Village Idiot
My biggest complaint aesthetically about "B" is the curved Pentax nameplate on the front of the viewfinder. I like the classic straight name. I think the curved nameplate has a cheap look to it, as if Pentax was unable to fit it on a straight line. Having said that, there is a dollar amount a

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-17 Thread David Nelson
Rob Studdert opined: I think the "B" camera is short for Butt-ugly q-: I actually like it. I think they all look awesome, but do lean towards B. I wonder though whether deciding which exterior is to be produced should really be based on a poll of under-glass models. Anything like handling, funct

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-17 Thread Tom C
pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:09:55 -0500 (EST) Tom C mused: > > I actually like the shape of 'B'. It has curves. > I've aways thought the 645 looked too much like a box. > > Tom C. (also likes Citroen

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-17 Thread John Francis
Tom C mused: > > I actually like the shape of 'B'. It has curves. > I've aways thought the 645 looked too much like a box. > > Tom C. (also likes Citroens) Darn. I thought we were going to get a unanimous decision. (Yeah, right. Like that would ever happen here ...)

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-17 Thread mike wilson
Alin Flaider wrote: Citroens follow the shape of a falling blob, the B (and the thing that inspired it) look like inflated frogs. Now we know what you do during those long, cold, lonely Romanian winters. Hope Valentin hasn't exported the pastime to Canada 8-) Servus, Alin Tom wrote: TC

Re: Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-17 Thread Ronald Arvidsson
I guess this discussion is going into the most beautiful advertizing ... From what I know of medium format cameras its the specs and the durability that's the main stuff, not the looks.. well maybe not-- if you say its canon and olympus like then its not a camera A canon is for the military

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-17 Thread Alin Flaider
Citroens follow the shape of a falling blob, the B (and the thing that inspired it) look like inflated frogs. Servus, Alin Tom wrote: TC> Tom C. (also likes Citroens)

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-17 Thread Tom C
I actually like the shape of 'B'. It has curves. I've aways thought the 645 looked too much like a box. Tom C. (also likes Citroens) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here Date: Thu, 17

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-17 Thread ernreed2
Quoting Frantisek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > RS> I think the "B" camera is short for Butt-ugly > > Yes, some of them look like they have left them for too long out in > the sun... and the poor beast had melted... Yeah, but Canon has sold a huge number of SLRs that look like that happened to them. :

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-17 Thread ernreed2
Quoting Alin Flaider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Perhaps these are all the available customizations, with B aimed to > Canon fans. ;o) > > Servus, Alin > > AC> So do I. I think the body shape of B looks really stupid, but it's just > me. Nope, it's not just you. However, doesn't matter w

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-17 Thread Alin Flaider
Nah, they have an eye on Canon Eos 1 whatever. Mockup B is there just to show you how nice Pentaxes are. ;o) Actually I find it interesting that Pentax is looking for user feed back on details such as design. I think they've taken very seriously the goal of satisfying the Pentax fans. Th

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-17 Thread Frantisek
RS> I think the "B" camera is short for Butt-ugly Yes, some of them look like they have left them for too long out in the sun... and the poor beast had melted... Good light! fra

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-17 Thread Steve Desjardins
Are they really? I find that funny. Let's take an official vote on the PDML. According to another web site (in Japanese), they are taking votes as to which of the three everyone prefers best at the exhibition. You can see the image of DA12-24 here; http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/parts/image_

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-17 Thread Rob Studdert
On 17 Mar 2005 at 13:40, Ronald Arvidsson wrote: > > Doesn't A look a little bit like the Leica R8? I think maybe it's more like mongrel cross between a Canon IX APS SLR and an Oly E-10 :-( I think the "B" camera is short for Butt-ugly Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UT

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-17 Thread Ronald Arvidsson
Doesn't A look a little bit like the Leica R8? Cheers, Ronald From: Marco Alpert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: Pentax List Subject: 645D Photos (under glass) here Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:36:16 -0800 Not one, not two, but three different "mock ups": http://www.digital

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-17 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Frantisek wrote on 17.03.05 13:17: > > All have square body with mirror housing, definitely. Also, the Kodak > sensor is not capable of electronic viewfinder at all. That's just > technological impossibility at this moment. Third, IstD has a very > small prism too. Actually I think all MZ-series

Re: Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-17 Thread Rob Studdert
On 17 Mar 2005 at 11:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > B looks like it might have an electronic viewfinder. There is very little > space > for a prism, if you compare it to the other two. Of the other two, C looks > like > it might be a little cramped for a prism, also. Difficult to judge on suc

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-17 Thread Frantisek
m9wnc> B looks like it might have an electronic viewfinder. m9wnc> There is very little space for a prism, if you compare it to m9wnc> the other two. Of the other two, C looks like it might be a m9wnc> little cramped for a prism, also. Difficult to judge on such m9wnc> slim evidence but that does

Re: Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-17 Thread m.9.wilson
> > From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2005/03/17 Thu AM 10:55:04 GMT > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here > > The lens gives some sense of scale. All of them seem to be smaller than > a Canon 1DS. That could

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-17 Thread Paul Stenquist
The lens gives some sense of scale. All of them seem to be smaller than a Canon 1DS. That could be a very good thing. Paul On Mar 16, 2005, at 11:36 PM, Village Idiot wrote: IMHO C is by far the best looking and A is definitely the ugliest. Then again, what do I know? Village Idiot OK, so it'

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-17 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Frantisek wrote on 17.03.05 10:11: > Contrary to few rumours that are floating on dpreview (pure > speculation forums as always), the lens doesn't reminiscence the > Tokina 12-24 at all. No, it doesn't. But on the other side Nikkor ED 70-300/4-5.6 doesn't reminiscent Tamorn 70-300 at all but all k

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-17 Thread Frantisek
TU> You can see the image of DA12-24 here; TU> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/parts/image_for_link/16927-1200-2-3.html Contrary to few rumours that are floating on dpreview (pure speculation forums as always), the lens doesn't reminiscence the Tokina 12-24 at all. Good light! fra

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-17 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Rob Studdert wrote on 17.03.05 9:14: > If the "C" body (*ist D family likeness) is really an option then we can > pretty > much assume that mechanical aperture coupling won't be an option since the > aperture ring will be difficult to operate because of the superfluous prism > overhang. Probably

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-17 Thread David Mann
On Mar 17, 2005, at 4:06 PM, John Francis wrote: FWIW, I prefer design "C". Me too. I think it'd look a lot better with a square hood fitted to the lens, too. Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-16 Thread Rob Studdert
On 17 Mar 2005 at 15:59, Takehiko Ueda wrote: > According to another web site (in Japanese), they are > taking votes as to which of the three everyone prefers > best at the exhibition. If the "C" body (*ist D family likeness) is really an option then we can pretty much assume that mechanical ape

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-16 Thread Marco Alpert
On Mar 16, 2005, at 10:59 PM, Takehiko Ueda wrote: Web master of the digitalcamera.jp (Kumio Yamada, photographer) says that "They will be in the market just after the PMA2006.", but I can't find out which of 645D, DA12-24 and DA50-200 he refers to. Thanks for the translation! They've already estim

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-16 Thread Ueda Takehiko
Well, I like C best, though I don't think I'm going into MF. Sincerely, Takehiko Ueda OSA, JPN [EMAIL PROTECTED] >From: Takehiko Ueda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net >To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net >Sub

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-16 Thread Takehiko Ueda
Hi all, --- Marco Alpert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not one, not two, but three different "mock ups": > > http://www.digitalcamera.jp/ > > I'm thinking this thing is still pretty far away. > > There also seems to be a chart with a lens > development timeline, but

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-16 Thread Alin Flaider
Perhaps these are all the available customizations, with B aimed to Canon fans. ;o) Servus, Alin AC> So do I. I think the body shape of B looks really stupid, but it's just me.

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-16 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Village Idiot" Subject: Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here ..Then again, what do I know? I don't know. I just don't know. William Robb

RE: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-16 Thread Tom C
Yeah... sort of reminds me of NASA's Lunar Module.. Tom C. From: Marco Alpert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: Pentax List Subject: 645D Photos (under glass) here Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:36:16 -0800 Not one, not two, but three different "mock ups": http://www.digitalcam

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-16 Thread Village Idiot
IMHO C is by far the best looking and A is definitely the ugliest. Then again, what do I know? Village Idiot > OK, so it's settled. "C" it is. Who wants to tell Pentax? > > -Marco > > > On Mar 16, 2005, at 7:10 PM, Alan Chan wrote: > > > --- John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-16 Thread Joseph Tainter
D***! I am frustrated that I can't read that lens development timeline chart. The second pic of the 12-24 (down the page, by itself) has to be the 50-200. This can't be the lens hood for a 12-24. Joe

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-16 Thread Marco Alpert
OK, so it's settled. "C" it is. Who wants to tell Pentax? -Marco On Mar 16, 2005, at 7:10 PM, Alan Chan wrote: --- John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: FWIW, I prefer design "C". So do I. I think the body shape of B looks really stupid, but it's just me. Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlac

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-16 Thread Alan Chan
--- John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > FWIW, I prefer design "C". So do I. I think the body shape of B looks really stupid, but it's just me. Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new r

Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-16 Thread John Francis
Mark Erickson mused: > > Marco Alpert wrote: > > > > Not one, not two, but three different "mock ups": > > > > http://www.digitalcamera.jp/ FWIW, I prefer design "C". Not that it matters - I don't think I'm getting into MF

RE: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-16 Thread Mark Erickson
Marco Alpert wrote: > > Not one, not two, but three different "mock ups": > > http://www.digitalcamera.jp/ > > I'm thinking this thing is still pretty far away. Maybe, but maybe not. The mirror box, lens mount, electronics, and viewfinder guts might be the same for all three and they're "test-dri

RE: 645D Photos (under glass) here

2005-03-16 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Cool lookin' cameras. Shel > [Original Message] > From: Marco Alpert > > Not one, not two, but three different "mock ups": > > http://www.digitalcamera.jp/ > > I'm thinking this thing is still pretty far away.