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Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: PROS-was:ABORTION-was: Way OT: GUNS, GUNS, AND MORE GUNS.
> Let's see,
>
> Bob is "Piss Face". I'm "Dip Shit". I don't blame you for being
> jealous, Tom.
>
> I'm sure som
On Friday, December 13, 2002, at 01:37 PM, tom wrote:
Can I have a cool name too?
tv
Nope. If you want a cool name, you'll have to earn it. :-)
Dan Scott
om: "Keith Whaley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: PROS [WAS:ABORTION-was: Way OT: GUNS, GUNS, AND MORE GUNS.]
>
>
> Dr E D F Williams wrote:
> >
> > It would appear that although the title of t
> -Original Message-
> From: Bob Blakely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> MORE GUNS.
>
>
> Dr E D F Williams,
>
> Having been certified by Mr. Bruce Rubenstein as "Piss Face", May I
> recommend, should I not already be there, that you put me
> in one of your
> filters. Yup, I volunteer.
C
Dr E D F Williams,
Having been certified by Mr. Bruce Rubenstein as "Piss Face", May I
recommend, should I not already be there, that you put me in one of your
filters. Yup, I volunteer.
All of the photos & negatives that I produce as part of my job belong to my
clients, therefore all is handed
Dr E D F Williams wrote:
>
> It would appear that although the title of the thread is still strange the
> subject matter has changed. I'm back and ready to make a whole load of
> filters should it happen again.
Oh, we know that you will! Why don't you just drop it Doctor.
Everybody else has.
A
iams
http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams
Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery
Updated: March 30, 2002
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From: "T Rittenhouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: PROS-was:AB
Well, Bruce, I didn't ask why. Everyone knows it's about attempting to
control others through inflicting pain. This is what I don't understand.
Don't you know that control is an illusion? - but thanks for your
sententious description of me.
Regards from,
Piss Face
From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: PROS-was:ABORTION-was: Way OT: GUNS, GUNS, AND MORE GUNS.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Feroze Kistan
> Subject: Re: PROS-was:ABORTION-wa
t: Friday, December 13, 2002 6:29 AM
Subject: Re: PROS-was:ABORTION-was: Way OT: GUNS, GUNS, AND MORE GUNS.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Dan Scott
> Subject: Re: PROS-was:ABORTION-was: Way OT: GUNS, GUNS, AND MORE
> GUNS.
>
>
> >
> > What if someone
I think you've just described an art director.
At 10:03 PM 12/12/2002 -0600, you wrote:
On Thursday, December 12, 2002, at 09:23 PM, William Robb wrote:
No, you could borrow, rent or steal it.
I think you do have to have a camera to be a photographer
though.
What if someone else fires the s
Based on some of the horror stories about un-licensed cosmetic surgeons
in the State of New York recently I guess the answer to your question
is maybe.
At 09:23 PM 12/12/2002 -0600, you wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Dan
Subject: Re: PROS-was:ABORTION-was: Way OT: GUNS, GUNS, AND
Hell I didn't know you had to buy a license, then again I'm in the US.
At 08:55 PM 12/12/2002 -0600, you wrote:
On Thursday, December 12, 2002, at 05:56 PM, William Robb wrote:
To be a professional photographer, you need to buy a camera and
a business licence.
William Robb
Do you actually
On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:23:20 -0600, William Robb wrote:
> Of course, by the same theory, if you have a scalpel, are you
> automatically a surgeon?
_I_ _am_. I don't know about _you_. :-)
TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
frank theriault wrote:
>
> Dear Mr. Rubenstein,
>
> I don't know you. You may be a nice guy, you may not be. I don't really
> care. I care about a lot of people on this list; you are not one of them.
>
> I have to wonder why you told me to "fuck off"?
Hi Frank,
Bruce told you to f-off b
- Original Message -
From: Dan Scott
Subject: Re: PROS-was:ABORTION-was: Way OT: GUNS, GUNS, AND MORE
GUNS.
>
> What if someone else fires the shutter, but you design and set
up the
> shot? Are you the photographer or is he? What if it's his
camera and
> he's get
On Thursday, December 12, 2002, at 09:23 PM, William Robb wrote:
Of course, by the same theory, if you have a scalpel, are you
automatically a surgeon?
William Robb
I have a camera, but I'm all too frequently not a photographer.
Dan Scott
On Thursday, December 12, 2002, at 09:23 PM, William Robb wrote:
No, you could borrow, rent or steal it.
I think you do have to have a camera to be a photographer
though.
What if someone else fires the shutter, but you design and set up the
shot? Are you the photographer or is he? What if i
- Original Message -
From: Dan
Subject: Re: PROS-was:ABORTION-was: Way OT: GUNS, GUNS, AND MORE
GUNS.
> Do you actually have to buy the camera?
No, you could borrow, rent or steal it.
I think you do have to have a camera to be a photographer
though.
Of course, by the same theory,
> -Original Message-
> From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
>
> To be a professional photographer, you need to buy a camera and
> a business licence.
Oh crap, I knew I forgot something.
tv
Dear Mr. Rubenstein,
I don't know you. You may be a nice guy, you may not be. I don't really
care. I care about a lot of people on this list; you are not one of them.
I have to wonder why you told me to "fuck off"? What did I say that was so
offensive to you? I'd like to think that I'm norm
> Keith Whaley wrote:
> >
> > If you family doctor was on vacation, and treated a skinned
knee,
> > would you say it was treated by a amateur?
> > Once a doctor, always a doctor.
> > The same analogy applies. If you're good enough to be ABLE
to make
> > money with your photography, and if other ph
Um, folks, It's one thing to dump on ideas, quite another to dump on people
personally. Since I'm no angel in this matter, may I suggest that you
fulfill your need to denigrate others by focusing your vile toward me.
Regards,
Bob
Rubenstein has long been a thorn in the side to those folks here,
me included, who happily shoot Pentax. I don't kill-file him because
he's an outside force. Mebbe an outside farce. Can't make up my
mind. But, the prevailing winds here obviously rub him the wrong way.
I think he's prolly higher
I have an iteresting isertion here. My wife does not contribute
to PDML. When she has a technical question, she asks me, and I supply
for the most part, a PDML-approved answer. She's good. She doesn't
sweat the details. She does, however, work hard at composition and
decisive moment. She does
> If you think that is a good idea, I suggest you go find a list run by and
> for the high holies and look closely at it.
>
> Ciao,
> Graywolf
> http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto
>
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL
Fuck you!
That's what you get when ho one thinks they have to follow rules of common
decency, dip shit.
BR
From: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Now that's nice talk...
BTW, that's MR. Raving Lunatic A-hole to you, Bruce (note: no smiley face
this time!)
have a great day,
frank
on 12.12.02 2:36, Bruce Rubenstein at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> And raving lunatic, assholes use Pentax.
>
I thought that having name so similar to my great compatriot and pianist
(Artur Rubinstein) would obligate you to be more cultured. But it seems I
was just wrong, so wrong!
--
Best regar
By the way, Mr. Rubenstein has entered a truly rarefied group I've never
kill filed anyone before, here or anywhere else. It's possible that people
have kill filed me, I can be an opinionated a**hole. (Although I try to be
a well reasoned opinionated a**hole). Up till now I've found no one who'
Ha!!! I've never done that!!! I heard of one guy posting Visa info on
here!
Brad
- Original Message -
From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: ABORTION-was: Way OT
This is better than the threads on rec.photo.equipment.35mm!!!
Entertaining. I even think there may be more Pentax discussion over there
too.
Brad
d a little too much caffeine today.
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
>
> -Original Message-
> From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 8:51 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: ABORTION-was: Way OT: GUNS, GUNS, AND MORE GUNS.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 8:51 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ABORTION-was: Way OT: GUNS, GUNS, AND MORE GUNS.
Now that's nice talk...
BTW, that's MR. Raving Lunatic A-hole to you, Bruce (note: no smiley face
this time!)
have a great day,
frank
Bruce Rubens
Now that's nice talk...
BTW, that's MR. Raving Lunatic A-hole to you, Bruce (note: no smiley face
this time!)
have a great day,
frank
Bruce Rubenstein wrote:
> And raving lunatic, assholes use Pentax.
>
> From: Peter Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> That's easy, professional cameras are the ones
And raving lunatic, assholes use Pentax.
From: Peter Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
That's easy, professional cameras are the ones professionals use, amateurs
use amateur
cameras.
frank theriault wrote:
>
> You're right, Keith,
>
> I was being tongue in cheek. It was sort of my take on the Python "Argument Sketch"
> (and a bad one at that):
>
> "Ah, if my time is up, why are you still arguing?"
>
> "I could be doing it on my own time!"
>
> or words to that effect...
On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 09:39 PM, frank theriault wrote:
Ah, but what if the pro is taking family snapshots on his day off? Is
he still a
pro? And would the camera he uses be a pro camera? What if he uses
the same
camera to take those snapshots as he does whilst working? Would i
If you family doctor was on vacation, and treated a skinned knee,
would you say it was treated by a amateur?
Once a doctor, always a doctor.
The same analogy applies. If you're good enough to be ABLE to make
money with your photography, and if other photographers consider you a
professional, you're
It's an important question. How could one possibly take a photograph without
knowing the answer?
-frank
Peter Alling wrote:
> Only here could someone take a flip remark and complicate it so. (Someone
> is thinking
> way too much about this). I think the short answer is yes.
>
--
"The optimi
Thanks for the brief yet concise explanation, Bruce!
I've just never made the connection, but is's ~so~ obvious - pros only use 35mm!
You're
right, I've never noticed a PJ with a view camera. And, the only pros are PJ's, right?
cheers,
frank
Bruce Dayton wrote:
> frank,
>
> Much simpler tha
Tom wrote:
> Hum...? Same old polite friendly Pal, I see.
Why should one be friendly when you are being extremely rude by saying you have the
right to abuse mailing list at your whim and by insulting 99% of the list subscribers
by telling they fit into two categories; 1) people who are here
Only here could someone take a flip remark and complicate it so. (Someone
is thinking
way too much about this). I think the short answer is yes.
At 10:39 PM 12/10/2002 -0500, you wrote:
Ah, but what if the pro is taking family snapshots on his day off? Is he
still a
pro? And would the camera
frank,
Much simpler than you think. 5FPS = Pro. Nikon = Pro. Canon = Pro.
Pentax = Amateur. Minolta = Amateur.
Of course, this only works with 35mm because those are the only pro
cameras. What's medium format anyway?
VBG
Bruce
Tuesday, December 10, 2002, 7:39:17 PM, you wrote:
ft> Ah,
Ah, but what if the pro is taking family snapshots on his day off? Is he still a
pro? And would the camera he uses be a pro camera? What if he uses the same
camera to take those snapshots as he does whilst working? Would it only be a pro
camera while "on the job", but an amateur camera on Sunda
You DO have a way with words, Pål.
keith
Pål Jensen wrote:
>
> Graywolf wrote:
>
> >2--They find a sense of community here
> > that satisfies a need in their life. If you restrict what they can talk
> > about to strickly Pentax and photography, the second group is going to leave
> > the list.
>
sage -
From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: ABORTION-was: Way OT: GUNS, GUNS, AND MORE GUNS.
> "A WOMAN HAS THE RIGHT TO CONTROL HER REPRODUCTIVE FUNCTIONS, AND HAS THE
RIGHT
From: "Pål Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: Way OT: GUNS, GUNS, AND MORE GUNS.
> Graywolf wrote:
>
> >2--They find a sense of community here
> > that satisfies a need in their lif
Bob Blakely wrote:
I think that most folks on this list *assume* that the primary interest of
the other members of the list is photography, either as their main or only
hobby or for photography commercial purposes. This is a *false* assumption.
So what. This isn't the GunDML- so please take t
Then what the f*ck were they doing it here with constant posts of lies?
I waited, biting my lip, for more than 40 posts on this subject before
observing that all the "Stop posting that" folks had begun fighting among
themselves. YOU pissed on me for that! Well I got bloody tired of it about
the ti
Of course it's self serving! It's clearly also serving of a fairly large
community, and specifically by one of that community who is affected.
Everyone who wants to preserve some part of liberty for himself is serving
of others as well as himself. Your whine is like saying that any member of a
grou
Bob wrote:
>I belong to 7 lists
> associated with this. Nowhere on these lists has anyone ever disparaged
> photography or Pentax let alone do it using falsehoods, lies, untruths,
Of course not. They don't discuss pentax or photography but Guns. Can you please have
decency and consideration to t
Nor do I, but no one is lying about your other interests in a manner that
accumulates to a potential for having those interests taken away.
Regards,
Bob
"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy!"
- Benjami
: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: Way OT: GUNS, GUNS, AND MORE GUNS.
> Well Mr. Blakely, you definitely have the bigger virtual penis.
> Your self serving factoids are as valid as self
I also have many interests more important to me than photography: my family, my
dogs, music, movies, collecting political campaign buttons and coins of imperial
Russia, politic, religion, etc. I don't, however, presume to bore my Pentax
friends on this list with my enthusiasms for all these other
Well Mr. Blakely, you definitely have the bigger virtual penis.
Your self serving factoids are as valid as self serving factoids
can be.
Regards
William Robb
I think that most folks on this list *assume* that the primary interest of
the other members of the list is photography, either as their main or only
hobby or for photography commercial purposes. This is a *false* assumption.
I enjoy photography and probably have $15k or so in Pentax equipment. My
- Original Message -
From: Keith Whaley
Subject: Re: Way OT: GUNS, GUNS, AND MORE GUNS.
> You're not talking to old gun nuts like me, you're
antagonizing
> camera-loving folks, some of whom have an absolutely paranoid
and
> obsessive hate for firearms of any kind,
You're _not_ staying out of it, Peter, you're opening it up to
discussion again, and you bloody know it!
Drop it, okay?
You're not talking to old gun nuts like me, you're antagonizing
camera-loving folks, some of whom have an absolutely paranoid and
obsessive hate for firearms of any kind, shape or
e stumble.
http://www.uchastings.edu/clq/maltradf.html
-Original Message-
From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 6-Dec-02 16:38
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Way OT: GUNS, GUNS, AND MORE GUNS.
- Original Message -
From: Bob Blakely
Subject: Re: Way OT: GUNS, GUNS, AND M
On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 01:20 AM, Anthony Farr wrote:
Gary,
Could you point me to
Could y'all please take this off list? I'm sure quite a few of us would
appreciate it.
Thanks,
Dan Scott
-- Original Message -----
> From: "Bucky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 9:00 PM
> Subject: RE: Way OT: GUNS, GUNS, AND MORE GUNS.
>
> > Isn't the right to keep and bear arms expressed to be in accordance with a
> > well-ordered militia? i guesss it's the interpretation of that clause
> that
> > makes people stumble.
al Message -
From: "Ken Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: Way OT: GUNS, GUNS, AND MORE GUNS.
> I have to agree. I'm no flamin liberal. I make my living taking
> pictures of gun dogs, for gawds
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 10:57 PM
Subject: RE: Way OT: GUNS, GUNS, AND MORE GUNS.
> Who gives a rat's ass? This is the Pentax camera mailing list, or is
> everyone too drunk, stupid or undisciplined to remember that?
>
> BR
>
> From: "Bucky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Isn't the right to keep and bear arms
>
Who gives a rat's ass? This is the Pentax camera mailing list, or is
everyone too drunk, stupid or undisciplined to remember that?
BR
From: "Bucky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Isn't the right to keep and bear arms
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 9:00 PM
Subject: RE: Way OT: GUNS, GUNS, AND MORE GUNS.
> Isn't the right to keep and bear arms expressed to be in accordance with a
> well-ordered militia? i guesss it's the interpretation of that clause
that
> makes people stumble.
Bucky posted:
> Isn't the right to keep and bear arms expressed to be in accordance with a
> well-ordered militia? i guesss it's the interpretation of that clause that
> makes people stumble.
Indeed, the arguments are all in the interpretation. Please can we move on, and
away from this?
(Not
I have to agree. I'm no flamin liberal. I make my living taking
pictures of gun dogs, for gawds sake, but I don't want to hear about
guns here. Unless, of course, you are using a gunstock camera mount
with long lenses.
On Saturday 07 December 2002 02:19 am, Dan Scott wrote:
> This STINKS.
>
This STINKS.
This isn't Usenet. Can't you guys take this off list or move it to
alt.guns or whatever it's called? Any thread with Guns or Abortions or
Make $$$ or Free Cable or any of that other crap in the subject doesn't
belong here.
Dan Scott
]]
Sent: 6-Dec-02 16:38
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Way OT: GUNS, GUNS, AND MORE GUNS.
- Original Message -
From: Bob Blakely
Subject: Re: Way OT: GUNS, GUNS, AND MORE GUNS.
Bob, Ammendment II of the US Constitution looks pretty clear.
Isn't that the ultimate law of t
- Original Message -
From: Bob Blakely
Subject: Re: Way OT: GUNS, GUNS, AND MORE GUNS.
Bob, Ammendment II of the US Constitution looks pretty clear.
Isn't that the ultimate law of the land in your country?
William Robb
>
> They're coming for us too. The Ninth Circuit
On Fri, 06 Dec 2002 18:37:20 -0500, frank theriault wrote:
> As a knee-jerk, bleeding heart, [...] I'm biting my tongue here [...]
As a card-carrying Life Member of the NRA, I'm biting my tongue, too.
:-)
TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
As a knee-jerk, bleeding heart, pinko, small-l-liberal, socialist,
left-leaning, weak-kneed, gun-hating, tree hugging, Kyoto loving,
why-can't-we-all-just-love-one-another wimp, I'm biting my tongue here, as
this thread is getting a bit political, and I fear that it will end up in
a flame war.
l
William abit of an irony is that for 20 years hand
guns have been prohibited, and here in Toronto there
have been at least 4 hand gun shootings a weekend for
the last 2 months, gang wars. Guess what they want
hasher gun laws!!! I mean the gangs are not buying
guns in stores
--- William Robb
- Original Message -
From: Shaun Canning
Subject: Way OT: RE:My first Ebay!!!
The whole gun thing took of here about 12 or so years ago when
some moron whacked a bunch of women at a technical school in
Montreal. Of course right away the wymmans movement started
shaking the issue like a pa
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