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Christine Aguila wrote: - Original Message - From: "David Savage" To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 12:36 AM Subject: Re: Way OT @ $#*woman throws in towel on writing code*#$@ There, there darling... ...now back to the kitchen.

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On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 02:29 -0400, "David J Brooks" wrote: > On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Bob W wrote: > > Not a relic - a purist! > > I like that.:-) > > Way back when, during my survey days, i was one of the last to embrace > the computerized transits(total stations) computers for calculation

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On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Bob W wrote: > Not a relic - a purist! I like that.:-) Way back when, during my survey days, i was one of the last to embrace the computerized transits(total stations) computers for calculations and drafting, as opposed to doing the calc;s with sliderule and log ta

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riginal Message - From: "AlunFoto" To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:09 AM Subject: Re: Way OT @ $#*woman throws in towel on writing code*#$@ 2009/7/3 Christine Aguila : Truth be told, despite the beginner frustration, I was enjoying learning t

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Not a relic - a purist! I use TextPad. Bob > > I use both hands and notepad or test wrangler(mac). I'm a relic.:-) > > Dave > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and

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they whom i call David J Brooks wrote: I use both hands and notepad or test wrangler(mac). I'm a relic.:-) that's "TextWrangler" in case anyone wants to look for it (excellent free sibling to the venerable BBEdit, which i use) -- PDML Penta

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I use both hands and notepad or test wrangler(mac). I'm a relic.:-) Dave On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 10:31 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > Almost no one writes this stuff by hand these days, and CSS is the work of > the Devil.   A good code HTML code generator will give you a starting point, > and if you've

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A Nikkormat FTn will do. I had one which had been used as a hammer by the look of the baseplate. It's still going strong at age 40 (but not in my hands anymore). -Adam On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:46 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: > Leica hell, to really drive nails efficiently you need the heft of a Nikon

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Leica hell, to really drive nails efficiently you need the heft of a Nikon F2... Luiz Felipe wrote: Doug Franklin escreveu: ...snip Well, that wasn't the best way to get started. It's sorta like learning to drive nails by using a rock instead of a hammer. :-) If you're going to write any

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2009/7/3 Christine Aguila : > > - Original Message - From: "David Savage" > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 12:36 AM > Subject: Re: Way OT @ $#*woman throws in towel on writing code*#$@ > > >> There, th

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kdewebdev yes, mixed results, quanta not yet. Will try, soon! Tks! LF Graydon escreveu: On Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 04:02:56PM -0300, Luiz Felipe scripsit: Since I entered the Linux way, I'm trying to find a Dreamweaver replacement - not so easy. Last try was Bluefish... and I did most of my cu

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Doug Franklin escreveu: ...snip Well, that wasn't the best way to get started. It's sorta like learning to drive nails by using a rock instead of a hammer. :-) If you're going to write any sort of code or markup in raw text, you've /got/ to have a better editor than Notepad. :-) ...snip2

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2009/7/3 Christine Aguila : > Truth be told, despite the beginner frustration, I was enjoying learning > this stuff--it's been awhile since I learned something new that was this > challenging; I really enjoyed the challenge, wanted to overcome the > obstacles, and my brain was feeling hot and exer

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Almost no one writes this stuff by hand these days, and CSS is the work of the Devil. A good code HTML code generator will give you a starting point, and if you've learned the basics you can take that and modify it to suit your needs. (Yes, I know, CSS allows you to take full control of the

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On Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 04:02:56PM -0300, Luiz Felipe scripsit: > Since I entered the Linux way, I'm trying to find a Dreamweaver > replacement - not so easy. Last try was Bluefish... and I did most of my > current (alpha) site with a plain text editor again... And may be > reinstalling windo

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pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Christine Aguila [cagu...@earthlink.net] Sent: 03 July 2009 05:39 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Way OT @ $#*woman throws in towel on writing code*#$@ Up until 2 days ago I had never written 1 line of html code--not one--for any purpose. I have spent t

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3, 2009 5:20 PM Subject: Re: Way OT @ $#*woman throws in towel on writing code*#$@ On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:35 -0500, "Christine Aguila" wrote: But the wheels fell off when I learned how to view source information of a web page (didn't know you could do that); that was a sob

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Scott Loveless wrote: On 7/3/09, Doug Franklin wrote: Yeah, emacs. :-) You're one of _those_ people. It's a decent OS with a barely passable editor built in. ;-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to U

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they whom i call Brian Walters wrote: G'day Steve Thanks for the feedback on the ANPSA website. I've taken a quick look though some of the links you've included. Yes, the plants do seem distinctly different although the ones illustrated on my organisation's site represent a very small fraction

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G'day Steve Thanks for the feedback on the ANPSA website. I've taken a quick look though some of the links you've included. Yes, the plants do seem distinctly different although the ones illustrated on my organisation's site represent a very small fraction of the total. There are probably more

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they whom i call Brian Walters wrote: I've been managing a web site for an organisation I belong to for over 10 years and it now comprises well over 1000 pages. I've never found the need to go beyond fairly straight-forward html with a bit of simple css. Here's a sample page from that organista

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On 7/3/09, Doug Franklin wrote: > John Whittingham wrote: > > > > [...] 90% of all the code writers I know use some form of > > application other than notepad, it's just easier and quicker that way. > > > > Yeah, emacs. :-) You're one of _those_ people. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since D

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Sent: Saturday, 4 July 2009 2:20 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Way OT @ $#*woman throws in towel on writing code*#$@ On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 11:48:14AM -0400, Doug Franklin wrote: > John Whittingham wrote: > >> [...] 90% of all the [HTML] code writers I know use some form of >

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On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 01:35:30PM -0500, Christine Aguila scripsit: > From: "Graydon" >> Keep in mind that it's too much to learn in one go. You're at the >> equivalent stage of not knowing comfortably or reliably precisely what >> exposure is. It gets simpler once the whole concept of form/co

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On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:35 -0500, "Christine Aguila" wrote: > > But the wheels fell off when I learned how to view source information of > a > web page (didn't know you could do that); that was a sobering > moment--which > led to a state of defeat. Ah Viewing the source of many commerci

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: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Way OT @ $#*woman throws in towel on writing code*#$@ From: "Graydon" > > Keep in mind that it's too much to learn in one go. You're at the > equivalent stage of not knowing comfortably or reliably precisely what > exposure is.

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- Original Message - From: "Christine Aguila" Subject: Re: Way OT @ $#*woman throws in towel on writing code*#$@ Truth be told, despite the beginner frustration, I was enjoying learning this stuff--it's been awhile since I learned something new that was this

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From: "Graydon" Keep in mind that it's too much to learn in one go. You're at the equivalent stage of not knowing comfortably or reliably precisely what exposure is. It gets simpler once the whole concept of form/content separation and the distinction between an element and an attribute sett

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> > Christine Aguila wrote: > > Hence, I'm going to throw in the towel and will probably > use Word Web Pages > > to get something up. > > Don't do either of those. Writing HTML is rather like riding > a bicycle. It's impossible until you can do it and then you > wonder what the fu

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Fri Jul 3 03:13:10 CDT 2009 John Whittingham wrote: > From personal experience I'd say 90% of all the code writers I know > use some form of application other than notepad, it's just easier > and quicker that way. ... like vi(m) ;-) (oops.. somebody has already mention it) On a serious note,

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On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Doug Franklin wrote: > > Well, that wasn't the best way to get started.  It's sorta like learning to > drive nails by using a rock instead of a hammer. :-) Then you have seen my tool box then. Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com h

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On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 11:48:14AM -0400, Doug Franklin wrote: > John Whittingham wrote: > >> [...] 90% of all the [HTML] code writers I know use some form of >> application other than notepad, it's just easier and quicker that way. > > Yeah, emacs. :-) Or, in my case, vi (it may suck as an editor

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John Whittingham wrote: [...] 90% of all the code writers I know use some form of application other than notepad, it's just easier and quicker that way. Yeah, emacs. :-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to

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Christine Aguila wrote: [...] learning how to write some html code using Notepad [...] Well, that wasn't the best way to get started. It's sorta like learning to drive nails by using a rock instead of a hammer. :-) If you're going to write any sort of code or markup in raw text, you've /go

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Christine Aguila wrote: > Hence, I'm going to throw in the towel and will probably use Word Web Pages > to get something up. Don't do either of those. Writing HTML is rather like riding a bicycle. It's impossible until you can do it and then you wonder what the fuss was about. Using

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Christine Aguila wrote: Up until 2 days ago I had never written 1 line of html code--not one--for any purpose. I used to be able to crank out the HTML and I can still scan it pretty well, but css gives me brain cramps and I have to stare at it for days before anything sinks in. I found

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On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 12:22:21AM -0500, Christine Aguila scripsit: > - Original Message - From: "Graydon" [snip] >>> Hence, I'm going to throw in the towel and will probably use Word Web >>> Pages to get something up. >> >> That's a lot like saying your first two tries at making bread p

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Dave, Lucky you're half a world away... I wouldn't try that without the Pacific for protection. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 12:36 AM, David Savage wrote: > There, there darling... > > ...now back to the kitchen. > > > > On 03/07/2009, Christine  Aguila wrote: >> Up until 2 days ago I

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- Original Message - From: "Christine Aguila" Subject: Way OT @ $#*woman throws in towel on writing code*#$@ Hence, I'm going to throw in the towel and will probably use Word Web Pages to get something up. Shouldn't you be using that towel to dry dishes or

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ive to use. > > John > > From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of David Mann > [dm...@bluemoon.net.nz] > Sent: 03 July 2009 09:52 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: Way OT   @ $#*woman throws in towel on writing code*#$@ >

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-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of David Mann [dm...@bluemoon.net.nz] Sent: 03 July 2009 09:52 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Way OT @ $#*woman throws in towel on writing code*#$@ On Jul 3, 2009, at 8:13 PM, John Whittingham wrote: > I've been able to write

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On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 12:39 AM, Christine Aguila wrote:  I did, in fact, get something > written, but oh, is it stinky--and I never did get it just the way I wanted. Fear not those that are HTML impaired. All you have to do is go to this site: http://www.caughtinmotion.com You can only go up

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On Jul 3, 2009, at 8:13 PM, John Whittingham wrote: I've been able to write HTML since I took a HNC in computer networking c.2002/3, to be honest I always use Dreamweaver and only ever edit with notepad when I can't get the application to do *exactly* what I want. From personal experience I

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2009 05:39 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Way OT @ $#*woman throws in towel on writing code*#$@ Up until 2 days ago I had never written 1 line of html code--not one--for any purpose. I have spent the last two days, however, learning about html and learning how to write some html code using Notepad s

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ist" Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 12:17 AM Subject: Re: Way OT @ $#*woman throws in towel on writing code*#$@ Christine I agree totally with Graydon. Using Notepad to write HTML mark-up is a recipe for the sort of head-banging that you're experiencing. Grab a HTML editor - they are j

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Christine, Writing with HTML ... or any other language whether markup or code ... takes more time than two days to become proficient. And good tools for the job make a big difference. You've done very well. Rest, get a good HTML editor (for straight HTML on Mac OS X, I like BBEdit), and get back

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- Original Message - From: "David Savage" To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 12:36 AM Subject: Re: Way OT @ $#*woman throws in towel on writing code*#$@ There, there darling... ...now back to the kitchen. You are not my favorit

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There, there darling... ...now back to the kitchen. On 03/07/2009, Christine Aguila wrote: > Up until 2 days ago I had never written 1 line of html code--not one--for > any purpose. I have spent the last two days, however, learning about html > and learning how to write some html code using

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ess text I threw that idea out the window along with the file(s) I had just created. -p -Original Message- >From: Brian Walters >Sent: Jul 3, 2009 1:17 AM >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: Way OT @ $#*woman throws in towel on writing code*#$@ > >Christine >

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- Original Message - From: "Graydon" Couple points; HTML is markup, not code (no loops, no conditionals = not code :) and writing anything beyond a short shopping list in Notepad is a recipe for pain. Lots of free HTML editors out there that will tell you when you've forgotten an ang

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Christine I agree totally with Graydon. Using Notepad to write HTML mark-up is a recipe for the sort of head-banging that you're experiencing. Grab a HTML editor - they are just text editors with enhancements to make writing HTML easy (I use HTML Kit - free for private use and it has HTML-Tidy b

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On Thu, Jul 02, 2009 at 11:39:35PM -0500, Christine Aguila scripsit: > Up until 2 days ago I had never written 1 line of html code--not one--for > any purpose. I have spent the last two days, however, learning about > html and learning how to write some html code using Notepad so that I Coupl

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Up until 2 days ago I had never written 1 line of html code--not one--for any purpose. I have spent the last two days, however, learning about html and learning how to write some html code using Notepad so that I might get a simple index page up. Oh my gosh, am I brain dead. (Aside: as I writ