Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-26 Thread Adam Maas
] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 1:36 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: manually focusing a DSLR Actually, they don't need a 1.5x magnificationto match the 35mm finders (except maybe an MX or OM) as they already run much higher magnifications on most DSLR's

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-26 Thread Cory Papenfuss
I've got a -DS (pentaprism) that I used for about 9 months with a variety of manual-focus lenses as-is. It was OK, but definately could be challenging to get the focus right. Since I've installed a split-prism focus screen, I haven't had anymore troubles. Cory, Which split-prism

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-26 Thread Cory Papenfuss
I have a Canon 10D, and a M42 adapter, if you want to shoot with it for a day. Get in touch, and we can set something up. The 10D was the last Canon DSLR with a full size mirror. Starting with the 20D the Digital Rebel cameras, they introduced the Canon EF-S lens mount. They made the mirror

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-26 Thread Adam Maas
Cory Papenfuss wrote: I have a Canon 10D, and a M42 adapter, if you want to shoot with it for a day. Get in touch, and we can set something up. The 10D was the last Canon DSLR with a full size mirror. Starting with the 20D the Digital Rebel cameras, they introduced the Canon EF-S lens

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-26 Thread Charles Robinson
On Jan 26, 2007, at 7:38, Cory Papenfuss wrote: I cannot believe that nobody else has been providing these screens. ESPECIALLY with the cheapie CaNikons with the extra-crappy viewfinders. With AF lenses, they don't affect operation at all (as long as they're 5.6 or faster). It's

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-26 Thread Cory Papenfuss
IMO, a perfect example of Canon just plain being evil. I never realized how much I subconsciously used the focus confirmation on my MF lenses with my -DS until I tried using some on my friend's RebelXT. Between the bad viewfinder and lack of focus confirmation, it's extremely difficult

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jan 26, 2007, at 5:37 AM, Adam Maas wrote: Having had the MX and F3HP at the same time(up until a few months ago), I always picked up the F3. Better viewfinder, didn't have to drive my face into the camera to see the full frame. And I don't wear glasses. High magnification is useless

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-26 Thread Adam Maas
Cory Papenfuss wrote: IMO, a perfect example of Canon just plain being evil. I never realized how much I subconsciously used the focus confirmation on my MF lenses with my -DS until I tried using some on my friend's RebelXT. Between the bad viewfinder and lack of focus confirmation, it's

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-26 Thread Scott Loveless
On 1/25/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The pentaprism vs pentamirror issue caused Pentax to reduce magnification and re-tune the focusing screen in the DL/DL2/K100D/ K110D models for brightness rather than focusing contrast, so the D/ DS/DS2/K10D present better viewfinders for

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-26 Thread Scott Loveless
On 1/25/07, Cory Papenfuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Mark. That's precisely why I was asking about a comparison. Manually focusing a lens on the K100D in any but the best light is a study in frustration. Otherwise, it's a nice little rig. As I ponder the possibility of adding a

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-26 Thread Scott Loveless
On 1/25/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 25/1/07, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed: What do you think are the odds that someone will have a Canon with M42 adapter at GFM? g Not me! I wouldn't think so. vbg -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! --

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jan 26, 2007, at 9:07 AM, Scott Loveless wrote: May be old hat to many people here ... http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp? forum=1036message=21618773 Thanks for the link, Godfrey. That's pretty much how I focus, anyway, though I've never been as methodical about it as you.

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-26 Thread Peter Lacus
Godfrey, Having used Leica M and Nikon SLR side by side for 30 years, I have to agree with you here too. I almost always prefer the SLR viewfinder. I used the Leicas because of the lenses ... Leica's M lenses are terrific. Funny: the closest I've found to them in overall rendering

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-26 Thread Peter Lacus
Adam, Having had the MX and F3HP at the same time(up until a few months ago), I always picked up the F3. Better viewfinder, didn't have to drive my face into the camera to see the full frame. And I don't wear glasses. High magnification is useless without enough eye relief to see the

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-26 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 27/01/07, Peter Lacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: actually it should be the other way around. ;-) Leica RF did come first, they do make a good match though. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED]

manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread Scott Loveless
Howdy gang! Has anyone had an opportunity to compare manual focusing on an *istD or K10D vs. a DL or K100D? I've been playing around with M42 and M lenses on the K100D and find that it's viewfinder is atrocious. I'm kinda curious as to how the others compare. -- Scott Loveless

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread Mark Roberts
Scott Loveless wrote: Has anyone had an opportunity to compare manual focusing on an *istD or K10D vs. a DL or K100D? I've been playing around with M42 and M lenses on the K100D and find that it's viewfinder is atrocious. I'm kinda curious as to how the others compare. The ist-D and K10D have

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread Boris Liberman
They are more or less the same. Do not go for anything wide, it will be mighty difficult to tell apart sharp and unsharp. Otherwise, *istD and K10D have pretty decent viewfinder, after all it is pentaprism and very bright screen. On 1/25/07, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy gang!

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread Adam Maas
Scott Loveless wrote: Howdy gang! Has anyone had an opportunity to compare manual focusing on an *istD or K10D vs. a DL or K100D? I've been playing around with M42 and M lenses on the K100D and find that it's viewfinder is atrocious. I'm kinda curious as to how the others compare. I've

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread Scott Loveless
On 1/25/07, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They are more or less the same. Do not go for anything wide, it will be mighty difficult to tell apart sharp and unsharp. Otherwise, *istD and K10D have pretty decent viewfinder, after all it is pentaprism and very bright screen. Thanks,

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread Scott Loveless
On 1/25/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott Loveless wrote: Has anyone had an opportunity to compare manual focusing on an *istD or K10D vs. a DL or K100D? I've been playing around with M42 and M lenses on the K100D and find that it's viewfinder is atrocious. I'm kinda curious

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread mike wilson
From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/01/25 Thu PM 02:59:41 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: manually focusing a DSLR Scott Loveless wrote: Has anyone had an opportunity to compare manual focusing on an *istD or K10D vs. a DL or K100D? I've been

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread Scott Loveless
On 1/25/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott Loveless wrote: Howdy gang! Has anyone had an opportunity to compare manual focusing on an *istD or K10D vs. a DL or K100D? I've been playing around with M42 and M lenses on the K100D and find that it's viewfinder is atrocious. I'm

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread Scott Loveless
On 1/25/07, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/01/25 Thu PM 02:59:41 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: manually focusing a DSLR Scott Loveless wrote: Has anyone had an opportunity to compare manual

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread Boris Liberman
Penta mirror design has one significant flaw - it is not a solid piece of glass, thus it introduces more assembly tolerances and place for error. Viewfinder of *ist is good because it is big. I have MZ-6 which is reasonable, though seemingly K10D is better if I squint a bit. But then again I have

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread P. J. Alling
The K10D has the same viewfinder as the *ist D/Ds/Ds2, with improved focusing screens. (I use both a D and a Ds). While very large, (for an APS-C camera) and bright, after handling them, I didn't think that the Dl[2] or K100/110 would work nearly as well manually focusing. The D/Ds screens

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread Adam Maas
Scott Loveless wrote: On 1/25/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott Loveless wrote: Howdy gang! Has anyone had an opportunity to compare manual focusing on an *istD or K10D vs. a DL or K100D? I've been playing around with M42 and M lenses on the K100D and find that it's viewfinder

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread Scott Loveless
On 1/25/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note the 10D/20D/30D finder is smaller than the *istD or K10D (it's the same coverage, but only .9x magnification instead of the .95x of the Pentax's) Thanks Adam. That helps a bit. I guess I really need to get a few bodies together and try them

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jan 25, 2007, at 5:39 AM, Scott Loveless wrote: Howdy gang! Has anyone had an opportunity to compare manual focusing on an *istD or K10D vs. a DL or K100D? I've been playing around with M42 and M lenses on the K100D and find that it's viewfinder is atrocious. I'm kinda curious as to

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread Mark Roberts
mike wilson wrote: From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] The ist-DL and K100D have pentamirror viewfinders and are not as good. They are worse than not as good if you are a four-eyed git like me. I am a four-eyed git but I'm *not* like you! ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread graywolf
And these cameras really need 1.5x viewfinder magnification to match a similar 35mm. I suppose the eyepiece is too far from the ground glass to do that economically. Adam Maas wrote: Note the 10D/20D/30D finder is smaller than the *istD or K10D (it's the same coverage, but only .9x

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread Adam Maas
Actually, they don't need a 1.5x magnificationto match the 35mm finders (except maybe an MX or OM) as they already run much higher magnifications on most DSLR's than 35mm film(Digital Rebels and pentamirror Nikons excepted). To match my F3 (0.75x magnification) a DSLR would need 1.125x

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread graywolf
Well, I do not have a DSLR, so you may be correct, but every one I looked through had this small image with lots of black space around it, so I naturally thought that they simply cropped the viewfinder to the reduced image size. But if as you imply they actually have a full sized image in the

RE: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread J. C. O'Connell
PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: manually focusing a DSLR Actually, they don't need a 1.5x magnificationto match the 35mm finders (except maybe an MX or OM) as they already run much higher magnifications on most DSLR's than 35mm film(Digital Rebels and pentamirror Nikons excepted

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: graywolf Subject: Re: manually focusing a DSLR And these cameras really need 1.5x viewfinder magnification to match a similar 35mm. I suppose the eyepiece is too far from the ground glass to do that economically. Viewfinder size appears tied to screen

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Without getting into all the discussion of specific magnification values, etc, I find the viewfinder image size and overall brightness with comparable field of view and maximum aperture lenses in both *ist DS and K10D to be just about the same to my eye as that which I had in the Nikon

RE: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread J. C. O'Connell
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:23 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: manually focusing a DSLR Without getting into all the discussion of specific magnification values, etc, I find

RE: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread J. C. O'Connell
List Subject: Re: manually focusing a DSLR - Original Message - From: graywolf Subject: Re: manually focusing a DSLR And these cameras really need 1.5x viewfinder magnification to match a similar 35mm. I suppose the eyepiece is too far from the ground glass to do that economically

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread Adam Maas
, January 25, 2007 2:23 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: manually focusing a DSLR Without getting into all the discussion of specific magnification values, etc, I find the viewfinder image size and overall brightness with comparable field of view and maximum aperture lenses in both

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread Adam Maas
Of Adam Maas Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 1:36 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: manually focusing a DSLR Actually, they don't need a 1.5x magnificationto match the 35mm finders (except maybe an MX or OM) as they already run much higher magnifications on most DSLR's than 35mm

RE: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread J. C. O'Connell
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:53 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: manually focusing a DSLR I'm comparing them to two models which are considered to have among the best finders ever put in a 35mm SLR. The F3HP finder is generally

RE: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread J. C. O'Connell
Subject: Re: manually focusing a DSLR Interchangable finders were nice, but nobody has been buying them in years. Nikon only kept them as long as they did for traditions sake. -Adam J. C. O'Connell wrote: yes but for those of us who dont need to wear glasses the high eyepoint

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread mike wilson
From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/01/25 Thu PM 05:06:34 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: manually focusing a DSLR mike wilson wrote: From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] The ist-DL and K100D have pentamirror viewfinders

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jan 25, 2007, at 11:53 AM, Adam Maas wrote: Interchangable finders were nice, but nobody has been buying them in years. Nikon only kept them as long as they did for traditions sake. For those that need/want more viewfinder magnification, Pentax is offering a useful accessory for the DSLR

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread Cotty
On 25/1/07, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed: What do you think are the odds that someone will have a Canon with M42 adapter at GFM? g Not me! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread Adam Maas
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Jan 25, 2007, at 11:53 AM, Adam Maas wrote: Interchangable finders were nice, but nobody has been buying them in years. Nikon only kept them as long as they did for traditions sake. For those that need/want more viewfinder magnification, Pentax is offering a

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread Adam Maas
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:53 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: manually focusing a DSLR I'm comparing them to two models which are considered to have among the best finders ever put in a 35mm SLR. The F3HP finder is generally

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread Cory Papenfuss
Thanks, Mark. That's precisely why I was asking about a comparison. Manually focusing a lens on the K100D in any but the best light is a study in frustration. Otherwise, it's a nice little rig. As I ponder the possibility of adding a DSLR to my own kit I'm trying to take into account my

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jan 25, 2007, at 12:34 PM, Adam Maas wrote: For those that need/want more viewfinder magnification, Pentax is offering a useful accessory for the DSLR line: --- Pentax O-ME53 Magnifying Eyecup for Pentax Digital SLR Cameras The Pentax O-ME53 Magnifying Eyecup works with all Pentax DSLR

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread Adam Maas
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Jan 25, 2007, at 12:34 PM, Adam Maas wrote: For those that need/want more viewfinder magnification, Pentax is offering a useful accessory for the DSLR line: --- Pentax O-ME53 Magnifying Eyecup for Pentax Digital SLR Cameras The Pentax O-ME53 Magnifying Eyecup

RE: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread J. C. O'Connell
that looks like a good little accessory to have. Anybody tried one? jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 3:29 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: manually focusing a DSLR On Jan

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 01:57:17PM -0500, graywolf wrote: Well, I do not have a DSLR, so you may be correct, but every one I looked through had this small image with lots of black space around it, so I naturally thought that they simply cropped the viewfinder to the reduced image size. But

RE: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread J. C. O'Connell
, January 25, 2007 3:44 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: manually focusing a DSLR High magnification finders haeve their own issues. I've yet to see a finder on 35mm over .85x magnification that is easy to see all of the viewfinder area (The MX was particularly bad for that) even if you

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread Adam Maas
John Francis wrote: On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 01:57:17PM -0500, graywolf wrote: Well, I do not have a DSLR, so you may be correct, but every one I looked through had this small image with lots of black space around it, so I naturally thought that they simply cropped the viewfinder to the

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread P. J. Alling
With considerably less need, since it seems to be designed to not use many older, including manual focus, Nikon lenses. Adam Maas wrote: John Francis wrote: On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 01:57:17PM -0500, graywolf wrote: Well, I do not have a DSLR, so you may be correct, but every one I

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread Adam Maas
More need actually, since it won't AF with most Nikon AF lenses that are otherwise completely usable on it (The only restriction on AF lenses is the AF). -Adam P. J. Alling wrote: With considerably less need, since it seems to be designed to not use many older, including manual focus,

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread Jan van Wijk
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:34:09 -0500, Adam Maas wrote: And if you can't find it, the Nikon DK-21M will fit the Pentax viewfinders(As well as Canon viewfinders, despite their different shape. I've tested it). The Pentax unit offers slightly more magnification though(1.2x vs 1.17x) and may have

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread P. J. Alling
Pardon, my mistake. Adam Maas wrote: More need actually, since it won't AF with most Nikon AF lenses that are otherwise completely usable on it (The only restriction on AF lenses is the AF). -Adam P. J. Alling wrote: With considerably less need, since it seems to be designed to not

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread Peter Lacus
Scott, Has anyone had an opportunity to compare manual focusing on an *istD or K10D vs. a DL or K100D? I've been playing around with M42 and M lenses on the K100D and find that it's viewfinder is atrocious. I'm kinda curious as to how the others compare. the viewfinder quality was the

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread Mark Dalal
From: Cory Papenfuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've got a -DS (pentaprism) that I used for about 9 months with a variety of manual-focus lenses as-is. It was OK, but definately could be challenging to get the focus right. Since I've installed a split-prism focus screen, I haven't had anymore

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread Beaker
On Jan 25, 2007, at 10:36 AM, Scott Loveless wrote: On 1/25/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott Loveless wrote: Howdy gang! Has anyone had an opportunity to compare manual focusing on an *istD or K10D vs. a DL or K100D? I've been playing around with M42 and M lenses on the K100D

Re: manually focusing a DSLR

2007-01-25 Thread graywolf
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 1:36 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: manually focusing a DSLR Actually, they don't need a 1.5x magnificationto match the 35mm finders (except maybe an MX or OM) as they already run much higher magnifications