Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] The Universe as a Self-Organizing Musical Instrument (USOMI)

2015-11-14 Thread Sungchul Ji
-- Forwarded message -- From: Sungchul Ji Date: Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Universe as a Self-Organizing Musical Instrument (USOMI) To: John Collier John, Jerry, lists, (1) John asked, "Isn’t this just a straightforward consequence of Fourier anal

Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Terms, Propositions, Arguments

2015-11-14 Thread Franklin Ransom
Helmut, I'm not familiar with those volumes, and when looking around I was unable to locate an English equivalent by Kloesel. Yes, I agree, the Collected Papers are expensive; I was fortunate to get them from Intelex before they stopped selling them to individuals. There is also a copy of the CP g

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Terms, Propositions, Arguments

2015-11-14 Thread Franklin Ransom
Jerry, I am referencing the diagrams that Jeff attached to his last post, under the subject thread "Vol. 2 of CP, On Induction" and never meant to be saying anything theoretical about diagrams in general.. -- Franklin On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Jerry L

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Terms, Propositions, Arguments

2015-11-14 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Franklin: On Nov 14, 2015, at 2:55 PM, Franklin Ransom wrote: > I understand that the diagrams are an attempt to show how rhemes are > incorporated into dicents, and then how dicents are incorporated into > arguments, and thus to show that just as a rheme can be nested in a dicent by > the f

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Vol. 2 of Collected Papers, on Induction

2015-11-14 Thread Franklin Ransom
Jeff, Again, just to note in case you didn't see my other post, I thought it better to move discussion to a more appropriately titled thread, in case you are interested in responding. On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Franklin Ransom < pragmaticist.lo...@gmail.com> wrote: > List, > > I think it w

Re: Units of the Universe (was) Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Universe as a Self-Organizing Musical Instrument (USOMI)

2015-11-14 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, John: On Nov 14, 2015, at 12:54 PM, John Collier wrote: > Jerry, > > It is fairly obvious that we disagree about ontological commitment. Yes. JLRC > When I talk of “its” I am talking about existents, not merely realities. > Likewise, when I talk of “bits”, which I take to be grounde

Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Terms, Propositions, Arguments

2015-11-14 Thread Franklin Ransom
Jeff, list, I changed the subject. I hope that is not objectionable, in the case that any reply is made to what I have to say. After looking at the two attachments more carefully, I have some comments. I would, however, like to emphasize that I have not been thinking much about this subject for a

Aw: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Terms, Propositions, Arguments

2015-11-14 Thread Helmut Raulien
  Franklin, thank you very much for yor friendly attention! The three volumes are called: "Semiotische Schriften" (Semiotical Writings), Koesel / Pape, Suhrkamp 2000, and contain writings and lectures by Peirce. I think, they exist in English too, but in the English edition, Pape does not belong

RE: Units of the Universe (was) Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Universe as a Self-Organizing Musical Instrument (USOMI)

2015-11-14 Thread John Collier
Jerry, It is fairly obvious that we disagree about ontological commitment. When I talk of "its" I am talking about existents, not merely realities. Likewise, when I talk of "bits", which I take to be grounded in existent distinctions. So I don't know what it would mean to in addition to explai

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Terms, Propositions, Arguments

2015-11-14 Thread Franklin Ransom
Helmut, I'm not aware of the three volumes of Pape or what they contain. Looking it up just now, I see it seems to all be in German? So it's hard for me to gauge the work. Are these translations of Peirce's papers, or is it original work by Pape that discusses CSP's philosophy, or both? I am not

Units of the Universe (was) Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Universe as a Self-Organizing Musical Instrument (USOMI)

2015-11-14 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, John, Sung: Gentle responses inserted. :-) On Nov 14, 2015, at 4:49 AM, John Collier wrote: > Jerry, > > Isn’t this just a straightforward consequence of Fourier analysis? Of course, yes. My first sentence is merely a factual statement. > Are you implying that Fourier analysis has

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Terms, Propositions, Arguments

2015-11-14 Thread Helmut Raulien
Franklin, I have read the three volumes by Pape, and read a lot in the commens dictionary, and secondary literature, but I agree, that I should read more before taking part here in the future. Just now, to what I have meant by this second kind of dynamical object: It is the sign class, which the

RE: [PEIRCE-L] The Universe as a Self-Organizing Musical Instrument (USOMI)

2015-11-14 Thread John Collier
Jerry, Isn't this just a straightforward consequence of Fourier analysis? Are you implying that Fourier analysis has no scientific value (it is tautological, so no additional information content - so no additional empirical content), or do you mean to imply some other value with your use of "sc