Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Bedrock Beneath Pragmaticism

2019-03-09 Thread John F Sowa
On 3/9/2019 3:24 PM, Gary Richmond wrote: After all, Peirce sometimes suggests that the quasi-equivalent to pragmatism in 'ordinary' speech and thinking is critical-common sense. And, indeed, pragmaticism itself would seem to depend on it. I agree. Homo saps and their ancestors have existed

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Bedrock Beneath Pragmaticism

2019-03-09 Thread Stephen Curtiss Rose
I am unusual in that I am scientifically impaired and mathematically incapable and even logically perhaps the same. I have never considered it until I encountered Peirce and saw his difficulties stemming from his quirks and personality. I think I have observed that his people came to Watertown whe

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Bedrock Beneath Pragmaticism

2019-03-09 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Gary R., List: Are you sure that you are in full agreement with this statement? JAS: There are "facts of phenomenology," but as soon as we begin analyzing these "familiar phenomena"--especially with respect to their "conformity ... to ends which are not immanent within" them--we are engaging in

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Bedrock Beneath Pragmaticism

2019-03-09 Thread Gary Richmond
Edwina, Stephen, List, Edwina wrote: I'm not sure if [Stephen's] comment pertained to 'scientific intelligence' but instead, refers to the difference between, let's say, a 'scientific intelligence' and 'intelligence' just on its own. The former operates within pragmaticism while the latter include

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Bedrock Beneath Pragmaticism

2019-03-09 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Gary R - I can't, of course, speak for Stephen, but I'm not sure if his comment pertained to 'scientific intelligence' but instead, refers to the difference between, let's say, a 'scientific intelligence' and 'intelligence

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Bedrock Beneath Pragmaticism

2019-03-09 Thread Gary Richmond
Stephen, list, You wrote: There is an inherent flaw or contradiction in Peirce's distinction between the words scientific and intelligence. To be scientific requires a mentality which is quite clear to those who possess it but not to those who do not. In the context of discussing "Logic, in its g

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Bedrock Beneath Pragmaticism

2019-03-09 Thread Gary Richmond
Jon, Gary f, list, I have nothing at present to add to what Jon has written and only wish to note that I am in full agreement with him. Best, Gary R *Gary Richmond* *Philosophy and Critical Thinking* *Communication Studies* *LaGuardia College of the City University of New York* On Sat, Mar

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Bedrock Beneath Pragmaticism

2019-03-09 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Gary F., List: GF: A *normative *science for Peirce (and as far as I know, for anyone who uses the word regularly) is one whose essence is to *make dualistic judgments* distinguishing good from bad, true from false, right from wrong, etc. Peirce quite explicitly *did not* define "normative scie

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Bedrock Beneath Pragmaticism

2019-03-09 Thread Stephen Curtiss Rose
There is an inherent flaw or contradiction in Peirce's distinction between the words scientific and intelligence. To be scientific requires a mentality which is quite clear to those who possess it but not to those who do not. Intelligence must cover a wide but accurate realm consisting of most sent

RE: [PEIRCE-L] The Bedrock Beneath Pragmaticism

2019-03-09 Thread gnox
Sorry about the typo I missed (“meniotics”, fixed below). I should also add that normative logic (not formal logic) must be deployed by all sciences (including semeiotic) in the stage of their inquiry where they are obliged to test the truth of the inferences they make against their observation

RE: [PEIRCE-L] The Bedrock Beneath Pragmaticism

2019-03-09 Thread gnox
Jon, Gary R, John, list, JAS: … Semeiotic as a generalization of normative logic to encompass all kinds of Signs, not just Symbols; i.e., Speculative Grammar. Again, it is normative because it studies "what must be the characters of all signs used by a 'scientific' intelligence, that is to say