Re: [PEIRCE-L] qualisigns

2020-05-01 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Auke, List: I did not say that doubt is a habit, I said that a belief is a habit (of conduct), such that "the resolution of doubt into belief" is a habit-change. Since I deny that a quality *in itself* can be a sign of anything other than itself--which is trivial, since everything is a sign of

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Different Semeiotic Analyses (was tree-structure)

2020-05-01 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Gary F., List: GF: First, in the real world there is no disembodied mind and no disembodied semiosis. Hence there is no context-free semiosis. I agree, but as I stated, "My purpose is to analyze the process of semeiosis *in general*"; i.e., the aspects of semeiosis that are operative in *every

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

2020-05-01 Thread robert marty
Thank you Jon, you're a providence. The flow is fed by so many different sources that it becomes almost impossible to navigate. When we create a thread it happens that very quickly cuckoos come to lay their eggs so big that they bring down your children chicks from the nest ... I understood that

Re: [PEIRCE-L] tree-structure

2020-05-01 Thread Priscila Borges
Dear Jon, Edwina, and list. Thank you for your comments and questions. I am writing an explanation of the class #5 that also explains a little bit of how I see the expanded system functioning. I will send it to the list soon. Meanwhile, uploaded the images that didn't appear in the message on my

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

2020-05-01 Thread Jon Awbrey
Robert, Jon A S, Gary F, Helmut, Peircers ... There were numerous issues stemming from Robert's post and paper, some central and some tangential, which attracted my interest and which I hope I can get back to. Seeing as how some of the earliest issues got a little lost in the flood of

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Different Semeiotic Analyses (was tree-structure)

2020-05-01 Thread a . breemen
Gary F. John, list, Gary, I agree. But think you are to hard on John. It does make sense to look at a token. I did it multiple times with art students, comparing two stages in their design process, sign aspect after sign aspect. Always with the qustion: why is the latter better, then the

Re: [PEIRCE-L] qualisigns

2020-05-01 Thread Auke van Breemen
Jon Alan, List, I think that by now our discussion about interpretants has been carried trough to a sufficient degree. In the sense that the respective positions have been clarified as far as possible and no further gain is to be expected. Yust one note about doubt supposed to be a habit. The

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Different Semeiotic Analyses (was tree-structure)

2020-05-01 Thread gnox
Jon, I guess I’d better restate my point about semiotic “analysis” as simply as I can: First, in the real world there is no disembodied mind and no disembodied semiosis. Hence there is no context-free semiosis. Analysis of an instance of semiosis, whether that instance is observed or merely