[PEIRCE-L] Novel Resources for scholars with an interest in the perplexity of CSP's logical abduction

2021-10-04 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List: Two significant reference volumes have recently been received and I await a third. Two of these volumes significantly illuminate the putative illations between propositional logic and model theory. (I did not check if these books are on Ben’s list or not.) Truth and Assertibility, Nik

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Fwd: Re: Cognitive Signs (was All Semiotic, No Puzzle)

2021-10-04 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Jerry R: I will just take a quick moment to respond to your posts. My simple conjecture is that these statements rest on the role of sin-sign in constructing and confirming new forms of knowledge. While a sinsign is singular, the index would ordinarily be plural as would the arguments that

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Fwd: Re: Cognitive Signs (was All Semiotic, No Puzzle)

2021-10-04 Thread Jerry Rhee
Dear Jack, Jerry, list, as to the "do these two requests induce the same sort of questions as the things you are now talking and thinking about in an *efficient* manner?".. *meh*.. perhaps not.. with best wishes, j On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 2:56 PM JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY <

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2021-10-04 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
Jerry, List, JR: Would you say, based on your immediate recognition and habits, that the purpose of bringing to attention these two sayings is the same? Immediately, yes. I see the resemblance clearly. It puts me in mind of Plato's Meno - the slave whom Socrates "uses" to "prove" the power of

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Fwd: Re: Cognitive Signs (was All Semiotic, No Puzzle)

2021-10-04 Thread Jerry Rhee
Dear Jack, list, You have raised some very interesting points that invite reflective propositions from the audience who, as you say, “Would be very interested to receive any variety of response to this - preferably those which ardently disagree with me!” I must say I do

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Fwd: Re: Cognitive Signs (was All Semiotic, No Puzzle)

2021-10-04 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Jack, List: Good stuff, thanks. I would just like to clarify one other thing from your earlier post. JRKC: It also refers back, in a roundabout way, to the discussion we had here last week regarding Peirce's position on the existence of god (insofar as object-sign-interpretant implies that the

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Fwd: Re: Cognitive Signs (was All Semiotic, No Puzzle)

2021-10-04 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
Jon, List, The only way to know something at all, and therefore the only way to know something more, is by means of signs; and in accordance with Peirce's pragmatism, the ultimate meaning of any acquired knowledge consists in self-controlled habits of conduct, by which those signs have a real

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2021-10-04 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Jack, list With regard to your comment: "With regard to this, though - if the DO becomes an Object once connected to you, that is, within your universe of sensate experience, does it not hold that differences between IOs amongst various people and species imply the

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2021-10-04 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Jack, List: JRKC: Doesn't this depend on how we define "inefficient"? Peirce prepared the entry for "efficient" in the *Century Dictionary*. *efficient*, *a*. and *n*. *I*. a. *1*. Producing outward effects; of a nature to produce a resuit; active; causative. *2*. Acting or able to act with

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2021-10-04 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
Edwina, List, You make a lot of interesting points. I agree, polysemy isn't necessarily inefficient - in fact, your point is much more interesting: from the poverty of stimulus perspective, polysemy might be viewed as the ultimate mode of efficiency (the prerequisite for abductive abstraction

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Semeiotic puzzles (was Broadening phaneroscopy

2021-10-04 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
John, List: JFS: In the 1903 classification of the sciences, Peirce did not mention semeiotic, the most important science that he introduced. Why not? Where does it belong in the classification? I answered this question already. Peirce does not mention the *word* "semeiotic," but he certainly

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2021-10-04 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Jack, list I think there are multiple meanings of 'efficient' and 'inefficient'. By 'inefficient', I can understand that the energy/matter of the input data can be lost [entropy]; it doesn't become part of the stored knowledge base of the Representamen/Sign. I wouldn't

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2021-10-04 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
Or, essentially, my own (perhaps idiosyncratic) interpretation of the passage which began this thread is that Peirce seemed to realise that in “accessing" (perhaps being determined by) one object (whether dynamic/immediate) we often find a kind of novelty with which we are already, in some

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2021-10-04 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
Edwina, List, Thanks for you reply! An inefficient interaction provides no information; it's just brute action/reaction. Doesn't this depend on how we define "inefficient"? Because Peirce sets the dyadic (action/reaction) up as the most efficient - "...nothing ever happens but the

[PEIRCE-L] Fwd: Re: Cognitive Signs (was All Semiotic, No Puzzle)

2021-10-04 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Jack I would suggest that this section is a brief outline of the difference between a mechanical dyadic and a triadic semiosic action. The 'physical doctrine' could be understood as dyadic, in Secondness, one particle bumping into another. [Of course, with Peirce, the

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2021-10-04 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
apologies for slight duplication in preceding Corrected: "According to the physical doctrine, nothing ever happens but the continued rectilinear velocities with the accelerations that accompany different relative positions of the particles. All other relations, of which we know so many, are

[PEIRCE-L] Cognitive Signs (was All Semiotic, No Puzzle)

2021-10-04 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
List, According to the physical doctrine, nothing ever happens but the continued rectilinear velocities with the accelerations that accompany different relative positions of the particles. All other relations, of which we know so many, are inefficient. Knowledge in some way renders them

Re: [PEIRCE-L] All Semiotic, No Puzzle

2021-10-04 Thread Jon Awbrey
Dear John, I used to comment on this every time it came up, these days more like only every 10th or 11th time ... Logic = Formal Semiotic === C.S. Peirce • On the Definition of Logic https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2012/06/01/c-s-peirce-on-the-definition-of-logic/ Formal =