Dear Bernard, Robert, List,
I have more to say about the policies for Peirce list, but first I'd like
to comment on this topic.
Bernard: I think that the content and purpose of Phaneroscopy needs to be
cleared up independently of the question of
Edwina, List:
I am not the one claiming to be defining and applying "*THE* Peircean
analytic framework." As spelled out in his texts, there is much more to it
than "using the three categories in both their genuine and degenerate
modes" and/or "using the triadic semiosic process to show both necess
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}JAS, list
Then the question I ask is - what is the definition of THE Peircean
analytic framework?
That is, what if someone is examining the semiosic processes of a
wetlands or a meadow, and examining the
Edwina, List:
ET: I think it's a sidestep red herring to claim that Gary F did not
describe the *person *of Robert Marty as 'post-Peircean' but was referring
to Marty's thoughts and analysis.
Like I already said, I personally find such labels counterproductive and
try to avoid them since they te
Gary F., Robert, List:
GF: I happen to think that Peirce’s philosophy, especially his
phenomenology and the semiotics which is quite explicitly based on it, is
highly relevant to the challenges of living in our time — relevant just as
it is, in the writings that Peirce left us. ... I think Peirce’
Robert, List:
Notice Peirce's significant shift in thinking already *within *R 1345.
Empirics and pragmatics have disappeared, with philosophy now coming right
after mathematics, and ethics as "the philosophy of action" falling within
it--inserted between "the philosophical trivium"("speculative g
Robert, Bernard, List:
RM: this classification of sciences is the simplest he [Peirce] provided
... but the most detailed ones are consistent with this matrix.
It is indeed his simplest, but there is a *very* *fundamental *difference
from his more detailed ones. This early (mid-1890s) classifica
Cf: Theme One Program • Motivation 2
https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2018/05/17/theme-one-program-motivation-2/
All,
A side-effect of working on the Theme One program over the course
of a decade was the measure of insight it gave me into the reasons
why empiricists and rationalists have so much t
Dear robert, list,
You said,
however, he (Gary F) is in a position of advantage over Peirce-L
What are you talking about?
The history of this list is detailed on the Arisbe site and
Gary R also gave his version as recently as the other day:
I am in the process of exploring the future direc
List,
Finally everything becomes clearer and I understand better why Gary F sees
me as a Post-Peircean ... it is because he is basically himself an
Ante-Peircean who reduces Peirce to an Idioscopy as it could exist before
him, without Cenoscopy and of course without Mathematics . ... as I simply
cl
Le 17/10/2021 à 16:11, Robert Marty a écrit :
Cher Bernard, vous écrivez :
"I think that the content and purpose of Phaneroscopy needs to be
cleared up independently of the question of classification of sciences.
On the contrary what has been suggested is to find a place for an
unknown thing i
Jack, I appreciate your point that “we cannot have an epistemology without some
form of "anthropology".” If I may extend the idea a little, we cannot hope to
understand human nature, or why humans think and act the way we do, unless we
can draw on insights emerging from biology, anthropology, so
Cher Bernard, vous écrivez :
"I think that the content and purpose of Phaneroscopy needs to be cleared
up independently of the question of classification of sciences.
On the contrary what has been suggested is to find a place for an unknown
thing into a pretty trichotomy a priori derived from the l
Dear Jack,
The hierarchy is in your mind, not in mine because the identification of
forms does not imply a hierarchy of forms... consider mathematics as a
repository of forms some of which can be embodied in empirics... for
example a Poset (partially ordered set) can be embodied in a phaneron
becom
Cf: Theme One Program • Motivation 1
https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2018/05/15/theme-one-program-motivation-1/
All,
The main idea behind the Theme One program is the efficient use
of graph-theoretic data structures for the tasks of “learning”
and “reasoning”.
I am thinking of learning in the se
Dear Robert,
My point is definitely anthropological, but we cannot have an epistemology
without some form of "anthropology" (Comte was a sociological philosopher after
all). I don't know how to answer your questions, though you do raise some
interesting points. If mathematics is defined as "the
Dear Jack,
Your point is now anthropological and I do not reject it ... my
preoccupation is strictly epistemological (remember that we are here in the
Sciences of Discovery): what are the practical consequences of this
identification of forms for knowledge? Here is another version of the
classifica
John, List,
Le 16/10/2021 à 23:58, sowa @bestweb.net a écrit :
I agree with ET. Most of the complaints seem to be generated by three
people (GF, GR, and JAS) who object to people who introduce topics for
which they have no canned answer. An example is my note about
phaneroscopy as a science
Robert, List,
I think that Peirce's classification, quoted in your post below, is absolutely
accurate (and I'm firmly within the sociological axis). I would say, though,
that just as Peirce considered people to be practicing phaneroscopy (artists
and so on) even when they were unaware of it, it
Dear Margaretha,
Your conception of attitude is in interpersonal relations, very
psychological. But it is not about that... it is about epistemology ...
Here is for example a very vertical "*epistemological attitude*" of Peirce :
*""Every systematic philosopher must provide himself a classificati
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