Dear robert, list,
You said, however, he (Gary F) is in a position of advantage over Peirce-L What are you talking about? The history of this list is detailed on the Arisbe site and Gary R also gave his version as recently as the other day: I am in the process of exploring the future direction of Peirce-L with Nathan Houser, who heads The Peirce Group (TPG), and Peter Skagestaad, a member of TPG who was charged with overseeing the functioning of Peirce-L when over a decade ago I was appointed moderator of the List in accordance with Joseph Ransdell's express wishes. I suggested that Ben Udell, who immediately agreed to take on the duties of webmaster (which Joe had also requested), also serve as co-manager with me of Peirce-L and Arisbe; he is also now involved in these discussions. Don’t give up power you think you don’t have, especially to others who don’t claim to have it. And if you think what you just said is justification for a new list, then it follows that you don’t have that justification. Besides, signing up for another list- that’s not something everyone on this list will do. So, starting up another list has constraints of its own, where one possibility is that you end up just talking amongst yourselves. I would recommend listening to Margarithe’s smart advice, which is to fix what we have here, more or less. I believe Peirce offered a method to get us out of this type of situation. Do you not see it? With best wishes, Jerry R On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 11:18 AM robert marty <robert.mart...@gmail.com> wrote: > List, > Finally everything becomes clearer and I understand better why Gary F sees > me as a Post-Peircean ... it is because he is basically himself an > Ante-Peircean who reduces Peirce to an Idioscopy as it could exist before > him, without Cenoscopy and of course without Mathematics . ... as I simply > claim to be Peircean, without any truncation, he sees me as Post ... and I > see him as Ante ... however, he is in a position of advantage over > Peirce-L; consequently, if a justification of a parallel list was needed, > here it is ... > RM > Honorary Professor ; PhD Mathematics ; PhD Philosophy > fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty > *https://martyrobert.academia.edu/ <https://martyrobert.academia.edu/>* > > > > Le dim. 17 oct. 2021 à 16:24, <g...@gnusystems.ca> a écrit : > >> Jack, I appreciate your point that “we cannot have an epistemology >> without some form of "anthropology".” If I may extend the idea a little, we >> cannot hope to understand human nature, or why humans think and act the way >> we do, unless we can draw on insights emerging from biology, anthropology, >> sociology, psychology, phenomenology, semiotics, and the whole range of >> empirical sciences (“Idioscopy” was Peirce’s term). But the fact that all >> these disciplines have been hived off into academic special interests makes >> it difficult to integrate them all into a coherent system. >> >> I happen to think that Peirce’s philosophy, especially his phenomenology >> and the semiotics which is quite explicitly based on it, is highly relevant >> to the challenges of living in our time — relevant *just as it is,* in >> the writings that Peirce left us. That’s why I included so much of it in my >> online book *Turning Signs <https://gnusystems.ca/TS/>. *My purpose >> there was to *integrate *it with more recent insights from the >> disciplines mentioned above, along with selections from ancient scriptures >> and Indigenous traditions. Jeremy Lent’s new book *The Web of Meaning* >> does much the same thing, and very well (I think), but leaves out the >> semiotics. So I think my book may have some added value, although Lent’s >> may be more accessible. >> >> I do *not* believe that studies of Peirce are relevant *only* when we >> can link them up somehow with current developments in our own specialized >> field (such as “Cognitive Science,” using John Sowa’s example). I think >> Peirce’s ideas, just as he expressed them, can and should be integrated >> with matters of living concern. I think they are “directly applicable to >> the conduct of life, and full of nutrition for man's highest growth,” as >> Peirce said of his “neglected argument” (EP2:435). The center of my own >> concern these days (as readers of my blog <https://gnusystems.ca/wp/> >> know) is the current global situation in which human activity is rapidly >> undermining our life support system. Since there is wide consensus on what >> needs to be done *in this decade* to have a chance of stabilizing our >> life support system, I am especially interested in what it is about human >> nature that has brought us to this pass and seems to be preventing us from >> doing what needs to be done. But I do *not* consider this to be a >> ‘special interest’; I think it is of *general* concern for all life >> forms on this planet. >> >> I have several reasons for thinking that Peirce’s work is highly relevant >> to this *general* concern. One is his emphasis on the *continuity* of >> semiosis; and closely connected with this is his *psychological* insight >> that human conscious reasoning is only the tip of the vast iceberg of >> semiosis (sorry about the hackneyed metaphor). I think recent developments >> in social psychology have borne out this insight — for instance, those >> summarized at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_intuitionism. I’d be >> happy to explore this further on peirce-l if there is interest (and not too >> many objections). >> >> Gary f. >> >> >> >> *From:* peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu <peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu> >> *On Behalf Of *JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY >> *Sent:* 17-Oct-21 07:30 >> *To:* robert marty <robert.mart...@gmail.com> >> *Cc:* Margaretha Hendrickx <mahe3...@gmail.com>; tabor...@primus.ca; >> Peirce-L <peirce-l@list.iupui.edu>; Gary Fuhrman <g...@gnusystems.ca> >> *Subject:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: Should we start a new email >> list (was Peirce's contributions to the 21st c >> >> >> >> Dear Robert, >> >> >> >> My point is definitely anthropological, but we cannot have an >> epistemology without some form of "anthropology" (Comte was a sociological >> philosopher after all). I don't know how to answer your questions, though >> you do raise some interesting points. If mathematics is defined as "the >> development of hypotheses", it would seem all other branches logically >> depend upon mathematics. On the other hand, how do we develop hypotheses if >> not via experience of and in the world of actuality and being? The >> relationship between empirics and mathematics seems more dialectical rather >> than strictly hierarchical to me, though from a purely (natural) >> "scientific" point of view, I can understand why such a hierarchy is both >> accepted and important. It becomes less easy to accept and defend when we >> move into the world of human action and interaction and so your comment re >> the sociological axis is indeed apt. >> >> >> >> Best >> >> >> >> Jack >> >> >> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >> ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON >> PEIRCE-L to this message. 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