Re: [PEIRCE-L] How do we formalize the triadic sign?

2024-01-07 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
> On Jan 7, 2024, at 9:10 AM, robert marty wrote: > > It's clear, then, that the composition of the two determinations gives rise > to the triadic relation for Peirce. That's why I've underlined "therefore." > Consequently, the formalization is simplified considerably, without any loss > of

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Representing sign relations in existential graphs

2024-01-07 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
> On Jan 6, 2024, at 9:48 PM, John F Sowa wrote: > > Since nobody has found an EG drawn by Peirce to represent the sign relation, In the 1870’s or early eighties, CSP referred to the ammonia molecule as a symbol. More precisely, pictorially, he demonstrated the three bonds between the three

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Graphical Representations of the Sign by Peirce

2024-01-07 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List: It was amusing to read theses historic responses to an issue that faded away in most of the philosophical community and almost all the scientific community. Edwinia broaches on current (and meaningful) aspects of the stipulations of cognitive forms to objects of the external world. >

Re: [PEIRCE-L] How do we formalize the triadic sign?

2024-01-07 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Ben, List: I share your concern about describing the *genuine *triadic relation of mediating (or representing) with its three correlates (sign, object, interpretant) as if it were reducible to dyadic relations of determining, which could only be true if it were a *degenerate *triadic relation. It

Re: [PEIRCE-L] How do we formalize the triadic sign?

2024-01-07 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Ben, list I remember discussions on this list about that paragraph with follows the p. 271 warning in this text “A Sign, or Representamen, is a First which stands in such a genuine triadic relation to a Second, called its Object, as to be capable of determining a Third, called its Interpretan

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Graphical Representations of the Sign by Peirce

2024-01-07 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Helmut - I think one has to be clear about terms. Do you mean that the Interpretant [ which is a relation not a thing-in-itself] becomes a new triad or only a new Representamen? My own view is that the Interpretant, which ‘holds and moulds’ information, contributes to the formation of both a

Re: [PEIRCE-L] How do we formalize the triadic sign?

2024-01-07 Thread Ben Udell
Hi, Robert, all, I wish a whole lot of us 15 or 20 years ago had noticed a paragraph that you quote in your message, /The conceptions of a First, improperly called an "object," and of a Second should be carefully distinguished from those of Firstness or Secondness, both of which are involv

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Representing sign relations in existential graphs

2024-01-07 Thread John F Sowa
Cécile and Helmut, After sending my previous note, I thought of more examples for representing sign relations in EGs -- including EGs that link together whatever graphs are necessary to express anything. I want to emphasize that I was inspired by some of Peirce's writings, but some examples go

[PEIRCE-L] How do we formalize the triadic sign?

2024-01-07 Thread robert marty
Cécile, List I present here, in the most condensed form possible, the merits of a purely algebraic formalization of Peirce's semiotics, entirely indexed to the history of its development. *How do we distinguish the correlates of a triadic sign?* *How do we formalize the triadic sign?* This q