Edwina, Gary R, List
I agree that it is not conflation, but the difference between experience and analysis. More generally, it is the difference between composition and classification. A sign is always composed triadically: O-R-I. A stimulus is always part of this triadic relation, otherwise
List:
> On Aug 24, 2021, at 11:39 AM,
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> On the contrary, André is explicitly discussing phaneroscopy, not semeiotic.
This sentence is a remarkable example of how emotional rhetorical thrusts
generate the thoughts that make no sense in the language of CSP.
Units of thoughts have units of
are welcome to post them, but unless
> they are based directly on something Peirce actually wrote about the
> subject, I don’t see much point in arguing for or against them.
>
> Gary f.
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> *From:* peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu *On
> Behalf Of *Jon Alan S
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Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 31
Gary F., List:
GF: Slide 31, following up on slide 30, make it perfectly clear that the key
word in Peirce’s work on phenomenology (before and after he renamed it
“phaneroscopy”) is
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}Gary R, list
I don't conflate phenomenology with mathematics or with semiotics! I
gave a clear quotation about the difference between experience and
analysis:
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}JAS, I think a more accurate statement would be
In my opinion...the statements below exhibit confusion..etc etc.
In other words - this is YOUR opinion. It would be 'nice' if you
would acknowledge that
Edwina, Jon, List,
ET: If anything is present to the mind - then it is triadic, i.e.,
semiotic. As I've said, it could be a qualisign, an iconic sinsign, a
rhematic sinsign, a dicent sinsign [brute actuality]. If anything functions
as a stimulus - then it is triadic.
This is a clear example of
Edwina, List:
The statements below exhibit confusion of the categories themselves as
discovered in phaneroscopy with "categorical modes" as employed in
speculative grammar for sign classification. All semiosis involves 3ns,
which is mediation as distinguished from reaction (2ns) and quality
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}JAS
We'll just have to disagree.
I acknowledge the Qualisign - which is pure Firstness - and is
triadic and is NOT cognitive. There is no Thirdness involved. Same
with a Dicent Sinsign - which is pure
Edwina, List:
ET: If anything is present to the mind - then it is triadic, i.e.,
semiotic. ... If anything functions as a stimulus - then it is triadic.
Not according to Peirce. 1ns and 2ns are certainly *present *to the mind as
quality/feeling and reaction/effort, yet in themselves they are
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}JAS, list
If anything is present to the mind - then it is triadic, i.e.,
semiotic. As I've said, it could be a qualisign, an iconic sinsign, a
rhematic sinsign, a dicent sinsign [brute actuality]. If anything
Edwina, List:
ET: It seems to me that De Tienne is here referring to the
experience/consciousness that can be understood as a Qualisign, or Iconic
Sinsign or even a Rhematic Indexical Sinsign.
On the contrary, André is explicitly discussing phaneroscopy, not
semeiotic. The phaneron encompasses
List
The phrase that 'experience is our only teacher' 5.50 is, to me, an
acknowledgement of the fact that we, as 'entities' or 'things' are in
sensate interaction with other entities or 'things'. This is
experience; the realm of our reception of the external world as the
Gary F, List,
Please don't attribute anything to me that I did
not say. I totally
agree with the following point.
GF:
Slide 31, following up on slide 30, make it perfectly clear that
the
key word in Peirces work on phenomenology (before and after he
renamed it phaneroscopy) is experience.
List
It seems to me that De Tienne is here referring to the
experience/consciousness that can be understood as a Qualisign, or
Iconic Sinsign or even a Rhematic Indexical Sinsign. That is - since
all experience is triadic - and since the descriptions of 'experience'
provided
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