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Edwina, List: While I understand what you are asking and why, I think that it is an inaccurate and unfair characterization of my List participation over the years. I have stated repeatedly that the issue for me is one of *terminological ethics*--in accordance with Peirce's own well-documented sta

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BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }JAS, list Just a brief comment. You wrote: "He never claimed to have worked out all of the ramifications of his own thought during his lifetime; on the contrary, he said more than once that he was coun

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John, List: JFS: But nothing in that argument that depends on the nature of the creator as benign or malevolent, perfect or imperfect, necessary or contingent. I have not claimed otherwise, except to quote Peirce himself as stating explicitly that God is *Ens necessarium* ("A Neglected Argument

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f a further triadic relation. Yours, Jeff Jeffrey Downard Associate Professor Department of Philosophy Northern Arizona University (o) 928 523-8354 - From: Jon Alan Schmidt Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2019 5:29 PM To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subjec

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Jon, Anyone is welcome to claim that Satan (or anything else) is that Object [of the semeiotic proof], but thereby accepts the burden of making a case for it based on the attributes that such an Object must have. I suspect that it would amount to nothing more than equating the proper names "Sat

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nterpretant. Having said >> that, some signs have the character of necessitants. These include >> legisigns, symbols, arguments. For signs that have these three >> characteristics, do they have the internal structure of a triadic relation >> connecting its parts? I t

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first correlate of a further triadic relation. Yours, Jeff Jeffrey Downard Associate Professor Department of Philosophy Northern Arizona University (o) 928 523-8354 --------- From: Jon Alan Schmidt Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2019 5:29 PM To: peirce-l@list.

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quot;. As such, some signs > consist of triadic relations--even if they are the first correlate of a > further triadic relation. > > Yours, > > Jeff > Jeffrey Downard > Associate Professor > Department of Philosophy > Northern Arizona University > (o) 928 523-8354 >

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Jeffrey Downard Associate Professor Department of Philosophy Northern Arizona University (o) 928 523-8354 - From: Jon Alan Schmidt Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2019 5:29 PM To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Methodeutic for resolving quot

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t.iupui.edu Subject: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Methodeutic for resolving quotation wars (was Continuity... Edwina, List: Yes, I refuse on ethical grounds to deviate from Peirce's own usage of these terms. Again, either a Sign is a Representamen with a mental Interpretant (CP

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Associate Professor Department of Philosophy Northern Arizona University (o) 928 523-8354 From: Jon Alan Schmidt Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2019 5:29 PM To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Methodeutic for resolving quotation wars (was Continuity.

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Edwina, List: Yes, I refuse on ethical grounds to deviate from Peirce's own usage of these terms. Again, either a Sign is a Representamen with a mental Interpretant (CP 2.274, EP 2:273 and CP 2.242, EP 2:291; both 1903), or "Sign" and "Representamen" are synonymous (SS 193; 1905). He never--*not

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BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }JAS - The Commens entry refers to definitions of the Representamen. I am talking about the full TRIAD - not the mediative part, aka, the Representamen, of the Triad. You repeatedly refuse to differentiate between the two a

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Edwina, List: ET: I disagree with your 'referential' definition of the Sign. It is not *my *definition, it is *Peirce's*. If you do not believe me, then just read through the Commens Dictionary entry , or Robert Marty's compilation

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BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }JAS list 1] You wrote: "Where on earth have I ever "denied that physical things can be signs"? In your specific example of a rock, the rock is not the Sign, it is the Object of the Sign; but we could easily construct a different

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I have always had trouble with Peirce's universes. I am awash in theories and accounts and descriptions from everywhere because I spend time listening to and reading this and that. Multiple universes. Untold size of all. I sense Peirce could be talking about universe in a sense of a pocket or area

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John, List: JAS: If someone wishes to claim that a particular statement is being taken out of context, then that person has the burden of *showing *that this is the case, not merely *asserting *it. JFS: Absolutely! That is an essential part of the methodeutic. I am glad that we agree about

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On 5/18/2019 12:30 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt wrote: If someone wishes to claim that a particular statement is being taken out of context, then that person has the burden of showing that this is the case, not merely /asserting/ it. Absolutely! That is an essential part of the methodeutic. what I s

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John, List: JFS: The practice of quoting clouds of words out of context is useless for resolving any questions about what Peirce meant. It is not feasible in an e-mail discussion, or even in a scholarly paper of reasonable length, to provide extensive excerpts that include the complete context

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Edwina and Jon, ET And again - all we are doing is quoting the same passages to each other, and interpreting them in different ways. I suggest we allow each other the 'grace' to do this - rather than insisting that one or the other is 'right' - and the other is a 'misinterpretation. Yes. The