Re: [PEIRCE-L] Reality and Theism (was Skepticism regarding)

2018-05-17 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Edwina, List: ET: See also "To say that there was no action is to say there was no actuality"...before which all was absolutely motionless and dead 1.275. Once again, it is important to examine a larger excerpt in order to understand the full context of these comments by Peirce. CSP: There a

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Reality and Theism (was Skepticism regarding)

2018-05-17 Thread Matt Faunce
Jerry, I think you're right. At the very least I overly precided two very vague concept, viz., God and 'Being in general', by relating them to force and acceleration which can be fairly precided. CSP: "All the instinctive beliefs, I notice, are vague. The moment they are precided, the pragmatist w

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Reality and Theism (was Skepticism regarding)

2018-05-17 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Edwina, List: ET: Now - we can presumably consider that IF truth, i.e., in this case, the Reality of X, depends on an individual existentiality of X, then isn't this the Scientific Method - or Peirce's pragmatism? No, according to Peirce's pragmaticism, the Reality of X *does not* depend on "

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Reality and Theism (was Skepticism regarding)

2018-05-17 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Matt, List: Creation and causation are not exactly the same thing, especially since Peirce consistently held that God's creative activity is *ongoing*. In any case, he drew a very specific analogy in the quoted passage between becoming acquainted with a person by studying his works and becoming a

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Reality and Theism (was Skepticism regarding)

2018-05-17 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Matt: > On May 17, 2018, at 11:47 AM, Matt Faunce wrote: > > in "not 'the physico-psychical universe' itself". Isn't the relation of God > the Creator to His Creation, viz., the physico-psychical universe, for all we > know, the same as the relation of force to acceleration? Physical mathemati

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Reality and Theism (was Skepticism regarding)

2018-05-17 Thread Matt Faunce
Jon, are you warranted in saying "not", in "not 'the physico-psychical universe' itself". Isn't the relation of God the Creator to His Creation, viz., the physico-psychical universe, for all we know, the same as the relation of force to acceleration? CSP: "Whether we ought to say that force *is* a

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Reality and Theism (was Skepticism regarding)

2018-05-17 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Stephen R., List: That is your own personal view about reality and truth, but it is obviously different from Peirce's, for whom those concepts were two sides of the same coin. CSP: Truth consists in the existence of a real fact corresponding to the true proposition. (CP 2.652; 1878) CSP: ... a

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Reality and Theism (was Skepticism regarding)

2018-05-17 Thread Stephen C. Rose
A dream is a sign. A sign is anything that can be perceived. At this point, you perceive your dream and someone else or others know you had a dream. Reality has nothing to do with truth or falsehood. Nothing is unreal including dreams, lies, and raindrops and whatever becomes of them. This mode of

[PEIRCE-L] Reality and Theism (was Skepticism regarding)

2018-05-17 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Edwina, Stephen R., List: Robert Lane's new book, *Peirce on Realism and Idealism*, helpfully clarifies Peirce's verbal and pragmaticistic definitions of "real," and how he carefully distinguished that term from "external." On Peirce's account, the "real" is "that which is independent of what any