Re: Aw: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:9235] Rupert Sheldrake TED Talk

2017-06-10 Thread kirstima
Helmut, Now you are talking! Excellent post. "Interaction" is one way of taking relational logic seriously. But it does not follow that "explanation" (if based on scientific evidence, may not have any objective definition. Or whatever the term used. I would prefer the expression: "objective

Re: Aw: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:9235] Rupert Sheldrake TED Talk

2017-06-10 Thread kirstima
Jerry R. You wrote: J.R. " why do you not even bring up the biology when you're so ready to bring up matters that are of importance for you?" IS THERE a certain kind of biology, which deserves to be called THE biology? - If so, what are the criteria you use? Biology today is going through

Aw: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:9235] Rupert Sheldrake TED Talk

2017-06-09 Thread Helmut Raulien
John, Kirsti, All, Now I think that it was naiive of me to put "explanation" in opposition to "magical thinking", which "reverses cause and effect". Because cause and effect are reversed all the time in what we call "interaction". And "explanation" has no objective definition, it merely is subjec

Re: Aw: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:9235] Rupert Sheldrake TED Talk

2017-06-07 Thread Jerry Rhee
As per how the Wolpert quote ought to lead, please try a google search for: The size of embryonic fields is, surprisingly, usually less than 50 cells in any direction. And if you're concerned of where actually the ambiguity lies, I'd recommend looking up bicoid or wnt in morphogenesis. Best, Jerr

Re: Aw: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:9235] Rupert Sheldrake TED Talk

2017-06-07 Thread Jerry Rhee
kirsti, list: thanks for your response. I am well aware of certain things and not so of others. But when I raise attention to the sizing and scaling problem, I am concerned with future objections. It is with that intention I said what I said. For instance, why do you not even bring up the biol

Re: Aw: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:9235] Rupert Sheldrake TED Talk

2017-06-07 Thread kirstima
Jerry R., list The question of "sizing" electromagnetic "fields" is not the kind of question to be posed first. (See e.g. Kaina Stoicheia). If you pose the question, the answer is: Not possible to answer it. The problem of morphic (etc.) resonance must be tackled before any measuring of any

Re: Aw: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:9235] Rupert Sheldrake TED Talk

2017-06-07 Thread kirstima
Dear Jerry R., list No theoretical paper gives detailed enough description of the experiments, experimental designs & the process of conducting the experiments in order to check its soundness. Which is a time consuming job & which cannot be done without being properly skilled in designing an

Re: Aw: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:9235] Rupert Sheldrake TED Talk

2017-06-06 Thread Jerry Rhee
btw, I was also trying to call attention to the difficult problem of sizing the field, for different, complex physical/mechanical and chemical interactions operate across large domains. It's hard to imagine a complete theory of pattern formation involving a field size of a whole, entire vertebrate

Re: Aw: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:9235] Rupert Sheldrake TED Talk

2017-06-06 Thread Jerry Rhee
dear kirsti, list: I was responding to your remark: ""Morphogenetic field" is just a name, a term standing for a theoretical concept. Naming is not explaining. - For explaining anything, a theory is needed, with sound experimental evidence backing it up." I posted a quote from Lewis Wolpert's the

Re: Aw: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:9235] Rupert Sheldrake TED Talk

2017-06-06 Thread kirstima
Dear J. Rhee, You addressed you post especially to me, but I can't see any connection to my recent post to the list. Seeing the host of copies you listed up, I guess you take your point to be a most important one. Please do enlighten me on your reasons and grounds. With most kind regards.

Re: Aw: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:9235] Rupert Sheldrake TED Talk

2017-06-06 Thread Jerry Rhee
Dear kirsti, all, "The size of embryonic fields is, surprisingly, usually less than 50 cells in any direction." Surprisingly, that makes a morphogenetic field about 500um in diameter. Best, J On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 1:10 PM, wrote: > Helmut, > > "Morphogenetic field" is just a name, a term sta

Re: Aw: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:9235] Rupert Sheldrake TED Talk

2017-06-06 Thread kirstima
Helmut, "Morphogenetic field" is just a name, a term standing for a theoretical concept. Naming is not explaining. - For explaining anything, a theory is needed, with sound experimental evidence backing it up. Do you think the experimental evidence Sheldrake has been presenting is not sound?

Aw: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:9235] Rupert Sheldrake TED Talk

2017-06-05 Thread Helmut Raulien
    Supplement: Sorry, Mr. Laplace, please transform into Lamarck in the below text. Lalala, Helmut Dear list members, I suggest three steps of more or less innovative thinking: 1.: Dogmaticness, 2.: Open-mindedness, 3.: Magical thinking. I think that the middle way is the best: Open minded

Aw: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:9235] Rupert Sheldrake TED Talk

2017-06-05 Thread Helmut Raulien
Dear list members, I suggest three steps of more or less innovative thinking: 1.: Dogmaticness, 2.: Open-mindedness, 3.: Magical thinking. I think that the middle way is the best: Open minded thinking. Dogmaticness blocks the inquiry, and magical thinking reverses cause and effect and leads to fa