Gary, Irving, Steven, and All,
One of the continuing problems that we have in reading Peirce is the fact that
logical atomists, logical positivists, and later writers tend to attach rather
different meanings to words like "formal" "logical atom", and "positive" than
Peirce did himself.
The meani
Irving, Jon, List:
Thanks for your posts on CSP and Logic.
Irving: after reading your recent papers and your post here, I am curious about
a two questions:
Do you have a crisp exposition on what factors separate CSP's notion of logic
from Hilbert's formalizations?
Do you have a personal defi
Jerry,
I remember NEM listing for something like a King's Ransom,
like a lot of books out of Hyperborea. I was lucky enough
to find all but the 1st volume in a used bookstore years ago,
but I do not know if there are any online alternatives today.
The analogy that connects the arity of relation
JR = Joe Ransdell
SE = Steven Ericsson-Zenith
Joseph Ransdell,
"On the Paradigm of Experience Appropriate for Semiotic",
http://www.cspeirce.com/menu/library/aboutcsp/ransdell/paradigm.htm
JR: The thesis of my paper is that it is doubtful that any distinction
should be drawn between empirica
Peirce used the word "formal" in a couple of senses, the first of which
is closer to its general meaning of "concerned with form", and here he
can mean either the forms of objects or the forms of syntax, whereas
the tradition following Russell tends to focus on syntax exclusively.
In that sense of
Papers_ v. 6, paragraph 327.
Best, Ben
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Peirce used the word "formal" in a couple of senses, th
t;
> - c. 1909 MS, _Collected Papers_ v. 6, paragraph 327.
Best, Ben
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Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: [peirce-l] “On the Paradigm of Experience Appropriate for Semiotic”
Peirce used the wor
* Comments on the Peirce List slow reading of Joseph Ransdell,
"On the Paradigm of Experience Appropriate for Semiotic",
http://www.cspeirce.com/menu/library/aboutcsp/ransdell/paradigm.htm
Peirce List,
I copied some of my earlier comments on the current slow reading to
the Conceptual Graphs
In response to posts and queries from Steven, Jon, and Jerry,
(1) Regarding Steven's initial post: My initial discomfort stemmed from
associating Hilbert's remark with the Peircean idea of logic as an
"experiential or positive science", since Hilbert as a strict formalist
did not regard mathemati
* Comments on the Peirce List slow reading of Joseph Ransdell,
"On the Paradigm of Experience Appropriate for Semiotic",
http://www.cspeirce.com/menu/library/aboutcsp/ransdell/paradigm.htm
Peirce List,
Here is John Sowa's second reply to comments shared on the CG List:
On 11/8/2011 12:18 AM
* Comments on the Peirce List slow reading of Joseph Ransdell,
"On the Paradigm of Experience Appropriate for Semiotic",
http://www.cspeirce.com/menu/library/aboutcsp/ransdell/paradigm.htm
Peirce List, CG List,
It's a little too late for Halloween, but probably about time to revisit our
old
Dear List,
I am presenting a new proposed computing paradigm "Computing With Structure"
based upon my work at the Supercomputing 2011 Disruptive Technologies exhibit
next week. Don't panic, this exhibit is aimed at technologies that may have an
impact on large scale computing architectures and
Dear Irving,
Thank you for the correction regarding the source of Hilbert's remarks. I
believe I read it in Unger's translation of The Foundations of Geometry,
perhaps in the foreword or annotations, but I still have to check this. I
assume that Hilbert is making a remark that appeals to Berkel
icsson-Zenith
Subject: Re: [peirce-l] On the Paradigm of Experience Appropriate for Semiotic
To: Irving
Dear Irving,
Thank you for the correction regarding the source of Hilbert's
remarks. I believe I read it in Unger's translation of The
Foundations of Geometry, perhaps in the for
* Comments on the Peirce List slow reading of Joseph Ransdell,
"On the Paradigm of Experience Appropriate for Semiotic",
http://www.cspeirce.com/menu/library/aboutcsp/ransdell/paradigm.htm
Peirce List, CG List,
Without meaning to jump ahead of the slow reading, let me just give
a preview of
* Comments on the Peirce List slow reading of Joseph Ransdell,
"On the Paradigm of Experience Appropriate for Semiotic",
http://www.cspeirce.com/menu/library/aboutcsp/ransdell/paradigm.htm
Peirce List,
Here is the reply I made to John Sowa's earlier remarks on the CG List:
I am not saying t
, notices and information. Jim Willgoose
> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:50:10 -0500
> From: ianel...@iupui.edu
> Subject: Re: [peirce-l] On the Paradigm of Experience Appropriate for Semiotic
> To: PEIRCE-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
>
> Dear Steven,
>
> There is a growing body of sch
Kirsti,
Another word for "precept" is "maxim".
The distinction between concept and precept
brings us again to the distinction between
descriptive and normative.
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Jon,
Thanks for bringing into my attention 'maxim', in relation to 'precept'.
I'm not so sure, though, that 'precept' and 'maxim' are interchangeable.
So-called synonyms seldom, if ever, are. The relation between synonyms I view
as something depicted in Venn's diagrams. There is an overlap, bu
Kirsti,
I was of course thinking of the pragmatic maxim,
which is a regulative principle whose function
is to guide the conduct of thought toward the
object of its aim, advising the addressee on
a way to “attain clearness of apprehension”.
http://knol.google.com/k/pragmatic-maxim
That is why Pe
Irving, Jon, List;
>From Jon's Post:
"Peirce's most detailed definition of
a sign relation, namely, the one given in 2 variants in NEM 4, 20-21 & 54."
"Logic will here be defined as formal semiotic. A definition of a sign will be
given which no more refers to human thought than does the definit
Jerry,
As far as grammar goes, I read "semiotic" as formed on the pattern of "logic"
and I read "semiotics" as formed on the pattern of "mathematics". US speakers
typically abbreviate "mathematics" as "math" while UK speakers call it "maths".
I have no idea what to make of that.
The definition
ing investigated.
Irving
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Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 23:16:40 -0500
From: Jerry LR Chandler
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Subject: Re: [peirce-l] On the Paradigm of Experience Appropriate for Semiotic
To: PEIRCE-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
Irv
* Comments on the Peirce List slow reading of Joseph Ransdell,
"On the Paradigm of Experience Appropriate for Semiotic",
http://www.cspeirce.com/menu/library/aboutcsp/ransdell/paradigm.htm
One of the things we do in empirical science is collect data.
Data is often collected in the form of re
Claudio, List ...
I realize that many of us have been through these sorts of discussions
many times before, so let me just highlight what I consider to be some
of the most important points.
1. We must not confuse the roles in a sign relation or the components
of a sign relational 3-tuple, tha
Forwarded to peirce-l, partly as a test. Post intended for peirce-l from
Claudio Guerri. - Best, Ben
Mensaje original
Asunto: Re: [peirce-l] “On the Paradigm of Experience Appropriate for
Semiotic”
Fecha: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 17:35:58 -0300
De: Claudio
* Comments on the Peirce List slow reading of Joseph Ransdell,
"On the Paradigm of Experience Appropriate for Semiotic",
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Re: Comments by Auke van Breemen (AB)
Auke & All,
By way of recalling our present engagement,
let's re
Dear Jon,
It's important to note that in his opening statement JR is not making a general
statement about the distinctions of empirical and non-empirical, but rather is
making the statement that *in semeiotic theory* the distinction is meaningless
because to draw the distinction causes an undue
On Nov 18, 2011, at 4:51 AM, Irving wrote:
> ...
> All of this having been said, the best answer I can give is that, the
> "points, lines, and planes" and "tables, chairs, and beer mugs" remark
> aside, Hilbert would give different axiomatizations for different parts
> of mathematics. That is to s
* Comments on the Peirce List slow reading of Joseph Ransdell,
"On the Paradigm of Experience Appropriate for Semiotic",
http://www.cspeirce.com/menu/library/aboutcsp/ransdell/paradigm.htm
Re: Irving Anellis, Sefan Berwing, Auke van Breemen, Jerry Chandler, Michael
DeLaurentis,
Steven Er
An adjustment to my email from last night.
I wrongly used the term "meaningless," slipping into old habits. The
distinction, JR suggests, produces a meaning (by the more rigorous use of that
term): the separation of concerns that concerns him. I should have said: *in
semeiotic theory* the dist
Re: [peirce-l] "On the Paradigm of Experience Appropriate for Semiotic"Neal,
list,
Peirce's views on the classification evolved over time. I don't know of a
single source with fully elaborated examples of each and every kind of sign. I
hope other peirce-listers can chi
Re: [peirce-l] "On the Paradigm of Experience Appropriate for
Semiotic"CORRECTION, sorry. - Best, Ben
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Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [peirce-l] ³On the Paradigm of
List:
On Nov 25, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Jon Awbrey wrote:
> The sign classifications that we commonly see discussed in semiotics
> are all classifications of different types of sign relation elements,
> and not classifications of sign relations themselves, which is a far
> more difficult task, sinc
Jerry LR Chandler wrote:
List:
On Nov 25, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Jon Awbrey wrote:
The sign classifications that we commonly see discussed in semiotics
are all classifications of different types of sign relation elements,
and not classifications of sign relations themselves, which is a far
more
* Comments on the Peirce List slow reading of Joseph Ransdell,
"On the Paradigm of Experience Appropriate for Semiotic",
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Re: Comments by Auke van Breemen
Auke,
I thought it best to go back and recover the context before att
* Comments on the Peirce List slow reading of Joseph Ransdell,
"On the Paradigm of Experience Appropriate for Semiotic",
http://www.cspeirce.com/menu/library/aboutcsp/ransdell/paradigm.htm
Re: Comments by Auke van Breemen and Claudio Guerri
The question arose whether there is a uniquely dete
Steven (& All),
I am sympathetic with any effort to bring the humanities and
the full variety of the sciences, special or unspecial, into
cross-cultural dialogue with each other. As a matter of fact,
Susan Awbrey and I have written at length on the scholarship
of integration and the architectonic
w how Renaissance artists used projective
geometry to obtain visual perspective in their work.
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Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 07:18:24 -0500
From: Jon Awbrey
Reply-To: Jon Awbrey
Subject: Re: [peirce-l] ?On the Paradigm of Experience Appropriate for
S
how how Renaissance artists used projective
> geometry to obtain visual perspective in their work.
>
>
>
> - Message from jawb...@att.net -
> Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 07:18:24 -0500
> From: Jon Awbrey
> Reply-To: Jon Awbrey
> Subject: Re: [peirce-l]
On Dec 4, 2011, at 4:18 AM, Jon Awbrey wrote:
> ...
> Keeping in mind the various dimensions of experience, I took some pains
> to give an "even-handed" account of the tensions involved in integration:
>
> >> On the one hand I am much in favor of seeking deeper-lying continuities ...
> >>
> >> On
A one word revision to my previous post:
On Dec 4, 2011, at 4:18 AM, Jon Awbrey wrote:
> ...
> Keeping in mind the various dimensions of experience, I took some pains
> to give an "even-handed" account of the tensions involved in integration:
>
>>> On the one hand I am much in favor of seeking d
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"On the Paradigm of Experience Appropriate for Semiotic",
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Peircers,
I would like to return to an earlier point in the discussion
and continue with the thoughts t
* Comments on the Peirce List slow reading of Joseph Ransdell,
"On the Paradigm of Experience Appropriate for Semiotic",
http://www.cspeirce.com/menu/library/aboutcsp/ransdell/paradigm.htm
IA: Once again, there is a complex of related dichotomies that van Heijenoort
applied to distinguish
paque
contexts.]
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Behalf Of Jon Awbrey
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 9:40 AM
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Semiotic"
I'm not certain that I fully understand the question here. These two
disparate sets of properties are part of an interacting complex that,
for JvH, typify and help distinguish the traditional logic (in which
the "Booleans" or algebraic logicians are included, insofar as they
putatively do no more
Irving, List:
A well articulated response that motivates me to push the ill-formed questions
yet another step.
If the first primitive binary separation of the primitive notion of a
meaningful logic is Aristotelian (Boolean) / Fregean,
then where would one place the Stoic notion of Antecedent /
ld be much better prepared
than I to handle any philosophical issues that might be involved.
Irving
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Subject: Re: [peirce-l] ?On the Paradigm of Expe
m michael...@comcast.net -
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 10:39:51 -0500
From: "Michael J. DeLaurentis"
Reply-To: "Michael J. DeLaurentis"
Subject: RE: [peirce-l] "On the Paradigm of Experience Appropriate for
Semiotic"
To: 'Jon Awbrey' , PEIRCE-
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From: C S Peirce discussion list [mailto:PEIRCE-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU] On
Behalf Of Irving
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 6:24 PM
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Semiotic"
Certainly model theory is a general theo
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