[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-23 Thread Jean-Marc Orliaguet
Gary Richmond wrote: Ben, list, It seems to me that you are quite right about the "distinctly un-English" use of the ordinals 'First', 'Second' and 'Third' by Peirce in the passages being considered. Capitalization is used for 'terms defined' as he writes, for example, at the beginning of th

[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-23 Thread Jean-Marc Orliaguet
Joseph Ransdell wrote: Here is a verifying passage:, from the neglected Argument paper Peirce: CP 6.452 The word "God," so "capitalized" (as we Americans say), is the definable proper name, signifying Ens necessarium; in my belief Really creator of all three Universes of Experience.

[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-23 Thread Jean-Marc Orliaguet
Benjamin Udell wrote: Aw Jim, you're a trouble maker! 66~~ *A _Sign_, or _Representamen_, is a First which stands in such genuine triadic relation to a Second, called its _Object_, as to be capable of detemining a Third, called its _Interpretant, to assume the same

[peirce-l] Under the Peirce's text...

2006-06-23 Thread robert marty
...the lattice of the ten classes of signs : http://www.univ-perp.fr/see/rch/lts/marty/lattices/Lattice-CP.rtf Please consider that this argumentation is a partial response to several questions recently discussed. I cannot react with the necessary quickness at the time all the more reason that I

[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-23 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Where does Peirce talk about an "immediate representamen" (or an "immediate sign")? I can't think of any use he would have for such a term. Joe Ransdell - Original Message - From: "Frances Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Peirce Discussion Forum" Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 9:17 PM

[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-23 Thread Jim Piat
Ben wrote: Aw Jim, you're a trouble maker! 66~~ *A _Sign_, or _Representamen_, is a First which stands in such genuine triadic relation to a Second, called its _Object_, as to be capable of detemining a Third, called its _Interpretant, to assume the same triadic relation to its Ob

[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-23 Thread Drs.W.T.M. Berendsen
Benjamin, In the discourse below, I think the cause of your problems in reasoning are at least partly caused by misinterpretation of the qualisigns and further aspects of the sign you are talking about at that moment. Well actually that seems to be a logical conclusion, but I just want to say...th

[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-23 Thread Frances Kelly
Frances to Joseph and listers... The decagon table does not seem to deal with signs as representamens explicitly. The decagon of course does deal with immediate objects and dynamic objects and one immediate interpretant. If it did deal with representamens, it is reasonable to me that such represen

[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-23 Thread Gary Richmond
Jim, Ben, List, Jim Piat wrote: Yes, but Peirce also wrote (chapter 20 Trichotomic of The Essential Peirce Vol 1 page 281  line two of paragraph two)  that  "A sign is a third mediating between the mind addressed and the object represented". So I find this confusing. There are so many

[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-23 Thread Gary Richmond
PS I should have added this excerpt in relation to the TRICHOTOMIC passage as it reminds us that categorial Thirdness == mediation and that all three elements in a genuine trichotomic relationship mediate between the other two in some sense. CP 1.328 I. . .. Thirdness, in the sense of the cate

[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-23 Thread Jean-Marc Orliaguet
Gary Richmond wrote: ...btw, do you or anyone else know of any other place where he refers to 'sign' as a third?)  I know only of this one, which I think may illuminate the passage being considered in so far as Peirce notes that "in genuine Thirdness, the first, the second, and the third

[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-23 Thread Jim Piat
Dear Joe and Frances, This is not directly to your concerns but may be of some related interest: On page 106 of Volume 1 of the Essential Peirce (chapter 6 --On a New Class of Observations, Suggested by the Principles of Logic) I find the following Peirce QUOTE: "It is usually admited th

[peirce-l] A sign as First or third...

2006-06-23 Thread Claudio Guerri
Jim, List,   I would like to try a comment on the relation between this two quotes: 1. "A _Sign_, or _Representamen_, is a First which stands in such genuine triadic relation to a Second, called its _Object_, as to be capable of determining a Third, called its _Interpretant..." (CP 2.274) and

[peirce-l] Re: A sign as First or third...

2006-06-23 Thread Jim Piat
  Jim, List,   I would like to try a comment on the relation between this two quotes: 1. "A _Sign_, or _Representamen_, is a First which stands in such genuine triadic relation to a Second, called its _Object_, as to be capable of determining a Third, called its _Interpretant..