initiative on
www.nanomanagement.info will be much
more interesting for sure. But to enable this, I need more people taking part. As
soon as possible. So once again, I would request people to view and enlist.
Kind regards,
Wilfred
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Dear Benjamin:
thanks for your enlightening quotes from Aquinas and for your
clarifying your entelecheian logou. Always a pleasant and learningfull
note from you.
Dears Victoria and Gary:
I'm glad I'm not completely out of the subject.
List:
I'll try to get back to the subject in a more decent way
Victoria & Cassiano,
I agree that Cassiano's is a sane, sound, and even
evolutionary way of looking at entelechy. Peirce too saw
that Kant and Bergson were on the right metaphysical track,
process and vitalism, not mechanism and predetermination.
The resultant 'emergent principle' is thus the
Dear Cassino,
I think that your characterization of Aristotle's (and Pierce's)
entelechy as a process is correct. I think an argument can be made
that this is true of genuine teleology in general. Teleology seeks, in
additional to material causes, evidence for an emergent vital force
imm
Cassiano wrote,
>It's been a long while I don't write, but the subject interests
me.>I run the risk of repeating everything that was said here about
entelechy, but a look up at the form of the word seems appropriate:
>entelechy in ancient greek is a form of saying (as literally as I can
see)
Hello list:
It's been a long while I don't write, but the subject interests me.
I run the risk of repeating everything that was said here about
entelechy, but a look up at the form of the word seems appropriate:
entelechy in ancient greek is a form of saying (as literally as I can
see) en telos e
May 13, 2005
Dear Kirsti,
Thanks. Glad to hear you enjoyed those early articles. Re truth giving to
beauty, see below.
Dear Jeff,
You ask how a poem can be an argument in Peirces sense, related to the
context of him describing the universe as an argument that is
necessarily
a great poem.
Per
On May 10, 2006, at 1:06 AM, Peirce Discussion Forum digest wrote:
Sorry I incorrectly attributed the Ehresmann reference to you -- it
will take a while to get oriented to the list.
Janet
Janet / List:
You asked, in an earlier post, about the relations between Rosen and
Ehresmann.
They
Vinicius,
Thank you. I'd very much appreciate knowing when and where
the translation is available. Just skimming over your
sources and their juxtapositions intrigued me.
Bill
Vin¨cius Romanini wrote:
Bill,
Interestingly, this is my main concern too - and I agree the quotes
given by Joe go
Bill, Interestingly, this is my main concern too - and I agree the quotes given by Joe go straight to Peirce¨s late definition of Sign as a medium for communication. I have explored a bit these ideas in an article (in Portuguese) in which Peirce¨s definiton of Perfect Sign in terms of Entelechy
Joe,
Thank you for the below post--which I've cut away all but
it's identification. I don't find entelechy of particular
interest, but I'm in awe of Peirce's conception of
communication and mediation. It's ready to bottle and label.
Bill Bailey
For the benefit of those who don't have a copy
Dear Folks--
I came across this definition of Entelechy among the words Peirce is reputed
to have defined for the Century Dictionay in 1886 (page 404 of Writings of
Charles S Peirce A Chronological Edition Volume 5 1884-1886) -- I was
looking for a definition of form.
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>Kirsti M: ��The entelechy or perfection of being Peirce here refers to is
>something never attained to full, but
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Vinicius,
[[ I think the best definition of Entelechy given by Peirce, done in
terms
Gene,
I enjoyed reading your message. - My own expressions must have been
inadequate, and misleading, because, as it happens, I fully agree with
all you say in the following:
Life is more than “science and scientific knowledge,” and more than
“striving to approach, better and better, The Tru
Gary,
Your concluding comment:
We are worlds in conversation, turning still.
Sometimes we spin in synchrony and sometimes we don't. When we do, we
have structural coupling, as Maturana and Varela called it. And when we
don't, we may have a chance to learn something new.
for some reason brou
Kirsti M:
The entelechy or perfection of being Peirce here
refers to is something never attained to full, but strived at, again and
again. Just as with science and scientific knowledge. It's about striving
to approach, better and better, The Truth. If there ever would be an end,
the absolute pe
Vinicius,
[[ I think the best definition of Entelechy given by Peirce, done in
terms of Semeiosis, can be found in his definition of "Perfect Sign"
(EP2: 545, n.25). ]]
I see what you mean -- although Peirce doesn't mention the word
"entelechy" there, "perfect sign" seems synonymous with it.
Title: [peirce-l] Re: Entelechy
Gary --
I see now that Merrell is mentioned in the "Life of Meaning"
resources on your site. Nice collection!
I am surprised, however, to see the entrants under "Models and simulations of mind."
Aren't the views of Hofstadter, Dennet and
Title: [peirce-l] Re: Entelechy
Gary --
Are you familiar with the work of Floyd Merrell? Your
characterization of your own work brings his to mind. To quote from a
review of three of Merrell's books by Robert E.
Innis (review available in the archives
of the Semiotic Review of Books at
PM
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Subject:[peirce-l] RE: Entelechy
Neal,
I didn't succeed in opening your attachment. Could you possibly copy it
and send it as a mail?
Kirsti
7.5.2006 kello 23:09, Neal Bruss kirjoitti:
. . . and notice how the first two clauses of the pa
Kirsti, it's good that you couldn't open the attachment -- according to
my software it contained a virus (the worm Mydoom.O). Neal doesn't
mention it in the message itself, so i'd bet he didn't even know it was
attached when he sent it.
Neal, better check your system --
gary
- Ori
Neal,
I didn't succeed in opening your attachment. Could you possibly copy it
and send it as a mail?
Kirsti
7.5.2006 kello 23:09, Neal Bruss kirjoitti:
. . . and notice how the first two clauses of the passage link
"entelechy" with the Peirce's freuqent turn to grammar in his logic,
and,
List, I think the best definition of Entelechy given by Peirce, done in terms of Semeiosis, can be found in his definition of "Perfect Sign" (EP2: 545, n.25). Best, ViniciusKirsti M¨¨tt¨nen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gary, Wilfred et al.Gary wrote:> I'm still trying to get a firmer grip on t
Gary, Wilfred et al.
Gary wrote:
I'm still trying to get a firmer grip on the concept of "entelechy"
myself, but the best definition i can offer at the moment is "the end
product of a completed process."
Yes, that's a good definition. Keeping in mind Peircean idea of meaning as something having
Janet,
[[ Is entelechy the same as final cause to Aristotle or are they just
related concepts? ]]
My understanding is that the entelechy is an entity, while the final
cause is not. If we could map a process onto a sentence, the entelechy
would correspond to a noun while the final cause would b
Gary,
On 5/7/06 Gary F. wrote:
... Personally i find it almost impossible to apply these "-tel-" concepts
(such as entelechy and final cause) to a linear process. ...
Is entelechy the same as final cause to Aristotle or are they just
related concepts?
I believe your point about "-tel-" conc
edicate to a subject . . . ].
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Neal,
A good quote you brought up. The entelechy or perfection of being
P
Neal,
A good quote you brought up. The entelechy or perfection of being
Peirce here refers to is something never attained to full, but astrived
at, again and again.
Just as with science and scientific knowledge. It's about striving to
approach, better and better, The Truth. If there ever wou
Dear Folks--
I looked up escatology (which I though is at least a remotely related
notion) and entelechy in the Oxford Companion to Philosophy. I found the
entry below for Entelechy. I think it adds a fun slant that is consistent
with the picture you folks are painting. I especially like th
Kirsti, Wilfred et al.,
Kirsti writes,
[[ I was quite perplexed to read that
>> J.A. Smith's translation of De
>> Anima renders [entelechy] as "actuality." ]]
Yes, that perplexed me too when i compared the Smith translation with
the Greek original. Peirce would never translate it that way -- he w
Gary, Wilfred & list.
Well, I was quite perplexed to read that
J.A. Smith's translation of De
Anima renders [entelechy] as "actuality."
That must simply be a grave mistake. My Liddell & Scott does not, either, give the exact word 'entelechy, but it does give "enteinoo" (with omega last), with n
insights in entelechy. So if other
people could contribute I would be very interested to hear!
Kind regards,
Wilfred
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Dear Wilfred:
Do you have 6.341, noted as from "Some Amazing Mazes, Fourth Curiosity," (c.
1909)?
341 The mode of being of the composition of thought, which is always of the
nature of the attribution of a predicate to a subject, is the living
intelligence which is the creator of all intellig
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Wilfred,
I have a smattering of classical Greek, maybe enough to provide you with
a little information.
Aristotle apparently coined the term, and didn'
Wilfred,
I have a smattering of classical Greek, maybe enough to provide you with
a little information.
Aristotle apparently coined the term, and didn't define it, so one has
to figure out its meaning from context. (There is no listing for it in
Liddell and Scott's Intermediate Greek-English L
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