[PEN-L:8235] Re: Without Modern Communism The Workers And People

1997-01-15 Thread Robert Malecki
Shagwi writes; First, Modern Communism is the most unexplored subject internationally as far as the "mainstream" is concerned. The official circles in most countries write about Modern Communism and the Communist Party in a manner which bears no resemblance to what they really are. Modern

[PEN-L:8237] RE: Marx on interest rates -Reply

1997-01-15 Thread Patrick Bond
Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] 13/January/1997 08:52pm At 10:13 AM 1/13/97, DICKENS, EDWIN (201)-408-3024 wrote: I'm skeptical, but open to anyone who wants to try and resolve the issue by constructing an index of the relative strengths of financial and industrial capital. While I'd never go

[PEN-L:8239] Euphoria Is One Of The Main Features Of The Wrecking Which Is The

1997-01-15 Thread SHAWGI TELL
Some communist parties and organizations at this time are behaving as if the counter-revolution, the present period of retreat of revolution is actually a golden opportunity for them to make a headway. How can this be the case? How can a communist party or an organization suffer from euphoria

[PEN-L:8236] The Soviet Union

1997-01-15 Thread SHAWGI TELL
There are many who say that the fall of the Soviet Union was the consequence of bad policy. That is the sum total of their political analysis explaining why the Soviet Union collapsed. Some people blame the policies of Gorbachov, some people blame Khrushchev. They even make a fetish of

[PEN-L:8238] Re: Apologies for posting to everyone

1997-01-15 Thread R. Anders Schneiderman
Friends, My apologies for posting my reply to Michael Yates to everyone. It's late and I'm tired. Larry Shute It seems like late night is a bad time to send email; my apologies for posting my E-NODE column to Penl when I meant to send it to someone else. Anders Schneiderman

[PEN-L:8232] RE: Fwd: Police to use cobras against demos (fwd)

1997-01-15 Thread Richardson_D
This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. -- =_NextPart_000_01BC02C3.4977AF70 (See below) It is said that alleged gangster Joey Gallo used to keep a tiger in his basement for the same purpose.

[PEN-L:8234] Re: Without Modern Communism The Workers And People

1997-01-15 Thread Robert Malecki
Shawgi writes; Why is it that not a day goes by without the bourgeoisie attacking communism, through its media, think-tanks, universities and in a million and one other ways? If communism is "finished," "dead," "utopian," "dictatorial," "totalitarian," "the antithesis of human rights" and any

[PEN-L:8240] Euphoria, NO!, Wrecking, YES!

1997-01-15 Thread Gerald Levy
Michael -- I thought you negotiated a deal for Shawgi Tell to post 2-3 times per week. Yet, he has been posting 2-3 (or more) messages/day. -- A non-euphoric, Jerry Shawgi Tell University at Buffalo Graduate School of Education [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:8231] FW: BLS Daily Report

1997-01-15 Thread Richardson_D
BLS DAILY REPORT, TUESDAY, JANUARY 14, 1997 RELEASED TODAY: CPI -- In December, the Consumer Price Index for All Urban Consumers rose 0.3 percent, seasonally adjusted, the same as in each of the three preceding months. The food index increased 0.1 percent in December, after advancing at

[PEN-L:8251] Re: Without Modern Communism The Workers And

1997-01-15 Thread Robert Malecki
Shawgi wrote; Third, the principle, "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his work," is socialist. The principle, "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs," is Communist. This is quite well-known. Blair replied; It's also sexist. The personal

[PEN-L:8249] Re: Euphoria, NO!, Wrecking, YES!

1997-01-15 Thread James Michael Craven
Let a hundred flowers bloom; let all ideas contend. The delete key is on the right side of the keyboard below insert and to the left of end- --for those so inclined. Jim Craven Date sent: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:43:58 -0800 (PST) Send reply to: [EMAIL

[PEN-L:8250] Apologies

1997-01-15 Thread Michael Perelman
My apologies. I carelessly thought that I was responding to a private message from Jerry. Shawgi justifiably asks: Finally, Michael, why do you say that it is a "problem" that people respond to my posts? This is extremely strange. Some people vehemently object to Shawgi's "Stalinism."

[PEN-L:8248] Re: Euphoria, NO!, Wrecking, YES!

1997-01-15 Thread SHAWGI TELL
First, it is entirely untrue that I post 2-3 times *per day*. In general, and all subscirbers know this, I post on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays. This, and not something else, is the tentative agreement Michael and I have. Second, Jerry, no matter what, you cannot grant or take away

[PEN-L:8247] Re: Euphoria, NO!, Wrecking, YES!

1997-01-15 Thread Michael Perelman
The problem is that people respond to his posts, so he rightfully re-responds. erald Levy wrote: Michael -- I thought you negotiated a deal for Shawgi Tell to post 2-3 times per week. Yet, he has been posting 2-3 (or more) messages/day. -- A non-euphoric, Jerry Shawgi Tell

[PEN-L:8245] Re: The Wrecking Activity Of Imperialism And All

1997-01-15 Thread SHAWGI TELL
On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, Robert Malecki wrote: Shawgi writes; A study of the conditions as they prevail on the world scale shows that the main content of the present counter-revolution is the all- sided pressure to "liquidate" i.e. get rid of, whatever positive achievements have been made by

[PEN-L:8246] Interest rates

1997-01-15 Thread Trevor Evans
I'm not sure that Marx's theory of interest rates is as incomplete as Edwin Dickens suggests. The manuscripts are rambling but a central point is clear: there is no natural rate of interest, i.e. the market interest rate does not revolve around some value that is determined by underlying forces

[PEN-L:8243] URL for Korean General Strike

1997-01-15 Thread D Shniad
This is the Web site for info on the Korean General Strike: http://kpd.sing-kr.org/strike/index-e.html

[PEN-L:8241] Russia -- Democracy, American-style

1997-01-15 Thread D Shniad
The Nation 12/23/96 BAGMEN IN MOSCOW Fred Weir, Moscow Russia is in the grip of a political scandal that makes Watergate (or President Clinton's Indogate campaign finance mess) look like a kindergarten prank, although

[PEN-L:8242] Re: Privacy in the Workplace (fwd)

1997-01-15 Thread D Shniad
From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jan 15 03:31 PST 1997 Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 06:31:37 -0500 (EST) From: "Carl Cuneo (EVNET Program Leader)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: D Shniad [EMAIL PROTECTED] PBS did an excellent video about the ways in which companies going online with websites are collecting

[PEN-L:8240] Euphoria, NO!, Wrecking, YES!

1997-01-15 Thread Gerald Levy
Michael -- I thought you negotiated a deal for Shawgi Tell to post 2-3 times per week. Yet, he has been posting 2-3 (or more) messages/day. -- A non-euphoric, Jerry Shawgi Tell University at Buffalo Graduate School of Education [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:8239] Euphoria Is One Of The Main Features Of The Wrecking Which Is The

1997-01-15 Thread SHAWGI TELL
Some communist parties and organizations at this time are behaving as if the counter-revolution, the present period of retreat of revolution is actually a golden opportunity for them to make a headway. How can this be the case? How can a communist party or an organization suffer from euphoria

[PEN-L:8238] Re: Apologies for posting to everyone

1997-01-15 Thread R. Anders Schneiderman
Friends, My apologies for posting my reply to Michael Yates to everyone. It's late and I'm tired. Larry Shute It seems like late night is a bad time to send email; my apologies for posting my E-NODE column to Penl when I meant to send it to someone else. Anders Schneiderman

[PEN-L:8237] RE: Marx on interest rates -Reply

1997-01-15 Thread Patrick Bond
Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] 13/January/1997 08:52pm At 10:13 AM 1/13/97, DICKENS, EDWIN (201)-408-3024 wrote: I'm skeptical, but open to anyone who wants to try and resolve the issue by constructing an index of the relative strengths of financial and industrial capital. While I'd never go

[PEN-L:8236] The Soviet Union

1997-01-15 Thread SHAWGI TELL
There are many who say that the fall of the Soviet Union was the consequence of bad policy. That is the sum total of their political analysis explaining why the Soviet Union collapsed. Some people blame the policies of Gorbachov, some people blame Khrushchev. They even make a fetish of

[PEN-L:8235] Re: Without Modern Communism The Workers And People

1997-01-15 Thread Robert Malecki
Shagwi writes; First, Modern Communism is the most unexplored subject internationally as far as the "mainstream" is concerned. The official circles in most countries write about Modern Communism and the Communist Party in a manner which bears no resemblance to what they really are. Modern

[PEN-L:8234] Re: Without Modern Communism The Workers And People

1997-01-15 Thread Robert Malecki
Shawgi writes; Why is it that not a day goes by without the bourgeoisie attacking communism, through its media, think-tanks, universities and in a million and one other ways? If communism is "finished," "dead," "utopian," "dictatorial," "totalitarian," "the antithesis of human rights" and any

[PEN-L:8233] Re: The Wrecking Activity Of Imperialism And All Reaction

1997-01-15 Thread Robert Malecki
Shawgi writes; A study of the conditions as they prevail on the world scale shows that the main content of the present counter-revolution is the all- sided pressure to "liquidate" i.e. get rid of, whatever positive achievements have been made by modern society. This attack takes the form of the

[PEN-L:8232] RE: Fwd: Police to use cobras against demos (fwd)

1997-01-15 Thread Richardson_D
This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. -- =_NextPart_000_01BC02C3.4977AF70 (See below) It is said that alleged gangster Joey Gallo used to keep a tiger in his basement for the same purpose.

[PEN-L:8231] FW: BLS Daily Report

1997-01-15 Thread Richardson_D
BLS DAILY REPORT, TUESDAY, JANUARY 14, 1997 RELEASED TODAY: CPI -- In December, the Consumer Price Index for All Urban Consumers rose 0.3 percent, seasonally adjusted, the same as in each of the three preceding months. The food index increased 0.1 percent in December, after advancing at

[PEN-L:8242] Re: Privacy in the Workplace (fwd)

1997-01-15 Thread D Shniad
From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jan 15 03:31 PST 1997 Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 06:31:37 -0500 (EST) From: "Carl Cuneo (EVNET Program Leader)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: D Shniad [EMAIL PROTECTED] PBS did an excellent video about the ways in which companies going online with websites are collecting

[PEN-L:8247] Re: Euphoria, NO!, Wrecking, YES!

1997-01-15 Thread Michael Perelman
The problem is that people respond to his posts, so he rightfully re-responds. erald Levy wrote: Michael -- I thought you negotiated a deal for Shawgi Tell to post 2-3 times per week. Yet, he has been posting 2-3 (or more) messages/day. -- A non-euphoric, Jerry Shawgi Tell

[PEN-L:8248] Re: Euphoria, NO!, Wrecking, YES!

1997-01-15 Thread SHAWGI TELL
First, it is entirely untrue that I post 2-3 times *per day*. In general, and all subscirbers know this, I post on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays. This, and not something else, is the tentative agreement Michael and I have. Second, Jerry, no matter what, you cannot grant or take away

[PEN-L:8249] Re: Euphoria, NO!, Wrecking, YES!

1997-01-15 Thread James Michael Craven
Let a hundred flowers bloom; let all ideas contend. The delete key is on the right side of the keyboard below insert and to the left of end- --for those so inclined. Jim Craven Date sent: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:43:58 -0800 (PST) Send reply to: [EMAIL

[PEN-L:8250] Apologies

1997-01-15 Thread Michael Perelman
My apologies. I carelessly thought that I was responding to a private message from Jerry. Shawgi justifiably asks: Finally, Michael, why do you say that it is a "problem" that people respond to my posts? This is extremely strange. Some people vehemently object to Shawgi's "Stalinism."

[PEN-L:8241] Russia -- Democracy, American-style

1997-01-15 Thread D Shniad
The Nation 12/23/96 BAGMEN IN MOSCOW Fred Weir, Moscow Russia is in the grip of a political scandal that makes Watergate (or President Clinton's Indogate campaign finance mess) look like a kindergarten prank, although

[PEN-L:8245] Re: The Wrecking Activity Of Imperialism And All

1997-01-15 Thread SHAWGI TELL
On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, Robert Malecki wrote: Shawgi writes; A study of the conditions as they prevail on the world scale shows that the main content of the present counter-revolution is the all- sided pressure to "liquidate" i.e. get rid of, whatever positive achievements have been made by

[PEN-L:8251] Re: Without Modern Communism The Workers And

1997-01-15 Thread Robert Malecki
Shawgi wrote; Third, the principle, "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his work," is socialist. The principle, "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs," is Communist. This is quite well-known. Blair replied; It's also sexist. The personal

[PEN-L:8243] URL for Korean General Strike

1997-01-15 Thread D Shniad
This is the Web site for info on the Korean General Strike: http://kpd.sing-kr.org/strike/index-e.html

[PEN-L:8246] Interest rates

1997-01-15 Thread Trevor Evans
I'm not sure that Marx's theory of interest rates is as incomplete as Edwin Dickens suggests. The manuscripts are rambling but a central point is clear: there is no natural rate of interest, i.e. the market interest rate does not revolve around some value that is determined by underlying forces

[PEN-L:8244] Korea on the radio?

1997-01-15 Thread Doug Henwood
Anyone available to talk on the radio about Korea. How does this fit into a longer/larger historical/political context? The show runs on Thurs eve on WBAI in NYC, 5-6 PM local time. Doug -- Doug Henwood Left Business Observer 250 W 85 St New York NY 10024-3217 USA +1-212-874-4020 voice