Actually the data show that wearing helmets actually increases costs in
health care.. The reason is easy to
see. Helmets save lives.The number of serious head injuries actually
increase.People who would have died of head injuries live when helmets are
introduced.. Anti-helmet groups often bring
On Thu, February 11, 1999 at 20:47:00 (-0600) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Bill Lear writes:
I don't have too much of a problem arguing against helmet laws. My
take is that if a person does not hurt another person, then they are
free to hurt themselves and the state should not regulate that
PARIS, Jan. 14 (UPI) _ With the legal workweek in France soon to be 35
hours, a Versailles court case beginning in March has suddenly taken on
significance.
At issue is the French job inspectorate, whose huge staff is using a law
originally framed to close sweatshops employing illegal workers
"William S. Lear" wrote:
I was told that John Dewey was a harsh critic of Maria Montessori, I
think during the 50s or thereabouts. Anyone know of this? Anyone
have opinions on Montessori schools (I went to one when I was young,
and my wife and I are considering putting our son in one).
Bill Lear writes:
I don't have too much of a problem arguing against helmet laws. My
take is that if a person does not hurt another person, then they are
free to hurt themselves and the state should not regulate that
behavior --- if it can be shown that not wearing helmets poses a
threat
Jim writes:
It doesn't negate the swing interpretation as much as provide and apply an
alternative framework. (To recap: I interpret the history of the 20th
century -- including the 1930s Collapse -- in terms of aggressive
accumulation causing overinvestment crises that appear in different
Between 1400-1800 the major nations/regions (and some minor ones)
diversified their peoples' consumption basket via foreign trade. At the end
of the mercantilist/absolutist era in the West, each major nation-state
followed an import substitute industrialization (ISI) foreign
trade/investment
Just a few additions to Sam's excellent post.
Pol Pot's background was in the peasantry. Although his parents were better off
peasants, without a
government scholarship Pol Pot would not have been able to go to Paris to study and
eventually teach.
While in France he was active within French
Thanks to Louis P for posting below (which I've taken liberty of
reposting)...I only sub to a few lists and would appreciate folks
forwarding to other lists and people who might be interested...
btw: description should read 'John Woo's martial arts with
automatic weapons flicks'...
Verso
Jakarta has been making noises recently about granting E.Timor autonomy
or even independance and freeing Xanana Gusmao. Their have been
contradictory reports coming over the CBC and the BBC. A faction of
Timorese have armed themselves or have been armed and are planning to
fight the
Back to the land was actually carried out after the successful revolutions in
Cambodia in 1975 and to a much lesser extent in Vietnam. Starting on April 17, 75
the CPK(Khmer Rouge) evacuated 90% of the population of Phnem Penh to the
countryside. I would argue that this was the only option the
Saith "Biker Buddy":Marxism is nanny government at its worst.
"Marxism" is not a form of government at all. It's a view (based on what
Marx wrote) of how history works under capitalism, a critique of that
system, and a tool for figuring out what to do about it. There are a lot of
different
This story isn't complete without mention of Ellsberg's "outing" of
subjective probability. Daniel Ellsberg (yes, that Daniel Ellsberg) wrote
his Harvard PhD dissertation on this question, of which a key section can be
found in the 1961 Quarterly Journal of Economics, "Risk, ambiguity and the
There are all sorts of reasons for migration, not simply the lure of the
cities not simply to get away from oppressive rural conditions.
Capitalist agriculture is perhaps the most important factor for migration
in a typical developing country. Population pressure, access to
education, rising
So what is left, or I mean what remains, of analytical marxism..?
And is this the future of "socialism"? Why is that word still used at all to
describe
such a travesty of anything remotely resembling socialism?
Cheers, Ken Hanly
Rosser Jr, John Barkley wrote:
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Jerry:
Your solution exists at
http://csf.Colorado.EDU/mail/pen-l/feb99/date.html#start
where you can read Pen-L like a newspaper, picking out
the people you like and threads you find engaging. Set
your mail to postpone.
Re "non-economists:" the participation of people unwarped
by
William S. Lear wrote:
Dave, any way you can turn off the Microsoft crud that always follows
the text?
I don't get any Microsoft crud at the bottom of mine. Maybe Eudora's smart
enough to repress it.
Doug
Dave, any way you can turn off the Microsoft crud that always follows
the text?
Bill
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On Thu, February 11, 1999 at 14:39:28 (EST) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[Biker buddy:]
Marxism is nanny government at its worst. The individual freedoms we value so
highly are not tolerated under Marxism, which is what compels so many people
to want to live here rather than in Marxist (communist)
Please, I do not think that we need to dump on Jerry. Hopefully, he
will decide to come back and participate constructively.
Rosser Jr, John Barkley wrote:
michael,
re: Jerry Levy.
Give the pathetic sucker another chance.
Barkley Rosser
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[EMAIL
great, then again we are in agreement. so why did you insist however
many posts ago that the socialist revolution is about getting back to
the land?
Why did I write that socialist revolution is about getting back to the
land? Because in the countries I was writing about that was the key
no, not interested in discussing marxism? didn't think so. {{answer
me this then: why are you moderating a marxism list?
angela
There are many places where Marxism can be discussed, such as Doug's
LBO-Talk. The Marxism list is designed to facilitate Marxist analysis. This
is a sample of what
I know only the brief discussion in Alan Ryan's biography of Dewey.
Dewey regarded the Montessori approach as authoritarian and limiting.
They had fundamentally different notions of what "socialization" ought
to mean. For Montessori it meant (and here I'm getting this from Dewey
via Ryan) the
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how about this for a deal: you address your comments to my claims,
like that marxism is neither a one-sided celebration of progress nor a
demand for a retreat to the past, and then we can have a conversation.
i know you don't want to be troubled with all that pomo rubbish, but
waht about all that
I was told that John Dewey was a harsh critic of Maria Montessori, I
think during the 50s or thereabouts. Anyone know of this? Anyone
have opinions on Montessori schools (I went to one when I was young,
and my wife and I are considering putting our son in one).
Bill
Paul Phillips writes:
I too have great reservations about the technology theories -- in part
because the attempts to test them empirically have not proven very
successful, and, in the case of Schumpeter, there is no concept of
swings or stages and the initial innovation is exogenous to the
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Anyone seen this before
The Independent (London)
June 21, 1998, Sunday
Interview: Terrible old Stalinist with the answer to life, the universe and
everything; Slovenian thinker Slavoj Zizek is a darling of the intellectual
left and a brilliant commentator on pop culture. But the really important
thing about him is
michael,
re: Jerry Levy.
Give the pathetic sucker another chance.
Barkley Rosser
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Uh oh. I never thought that I would say that we would
need that Sendero spokesman, Adolpho Olaechea on pen-l.
But, speaking for him in his absence, I would note that
there is a large difference between what they propose and
what was carried out by the Khmer Rouge. Conflating the
two
Louis,
Yeah, but does Betty Boop have a lesbian phallus?
Barkley Rosser
On Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:06:49 -0500 Louis Proyect
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Angela:
not at all. i was asking how you would distinguish your yearning from
their's. both of which, as zizek notes, echoing marx, are
Paul Meyer writes: In any case, the issue of scarcity can't be
overlooked, no matter how many quotations one wants to marshall for
evidence. Lenin recognized the problem himself and thought that it was a
European-wide revolution that would save Russia from its poverty.
I heard one response to
I wrote this last night, but it bounced.
150 years ago school children were generally elites who memorize Latin
and
Greek. In the interim, we have been moving more toward changing
universities into trade schools. The sort of experience that Bill Lear
described about learning about Chomsky was
Angela:
not at all. i was asking how you would distinguish your yearning from
their's. both of which, as zizek notes, echoing marx, are dreams of
the past from the position of the present. idealisations - in short,
a kind of reverse utopianism, in the sense in which marx spoke of it:
as
On the political economy of schooling, I can't think of any book since
Bowles Gintis' SCHOOLING IN CAPITALIST AMERICA, which was published more
than 20 years ago. But I'm sure that others on pen-l can remember other books.
BG (who later changed their opinions on a lot) analyze schooling in
Louis Proyect wrote:
It depresses me to see Doug citing such overinflated, academic jargon. It
would be the same thing as seeing Jeff St. Clair quoting Heidegger in
order to explain deforestration in the Pacific Northwest.
Oh, right, I meant to say this: Jeff tells me he's bored frustrated
Louis Proyect wrote:
This epitomizes the difference between Doug and me. He cites Zizek the
philosopher, whose prose is devoid of the all-important "who", "what",
"where", "when" and "how". It is utterly sterile.
Sterile? I read it as going a long way towards explaining the appeal of
idealized
from Slavoj Zizek, Tarrying With The Negative:
This antagonistic splitting opens up the field for the Khmer Rouge, Sendero
Luminoso, and other similar movements which seem to personify radical Evil"
in today's politics: if "fundamentalism" functions as a kind of negative
judgment" on liberal
In a message dated 2/11/1999 9:16:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Paul Meyer:
This is a fairly selective rendering of history. By the 1870's was up to his
neck in involvement with mass worker's movements and parties in the
industrializing
world.
No, it is not a
Michael Yates wrote:
Would it been too much to expect her to
have seen the hypocrisy of the pledge of allegiance with its propaganda
of "liberty and justice for all"? How could any black person believe
this, let alone pledge allegiance to it?
Jennifer Hochschild, in _Facing up to the American
Angela:
but, i did not frame this as such. it has already been framed as such
by the khmer rouge and by shining path.
Please don't confuse these 2 groups.
my comments go to the
question of how exactly you would distinguish your version of 'back to
the land' from these historical experiences
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Louis Proyect wrote:
Agree for the most part, Lou, but what do you think of the Shining
Path?
John Lacny
There has been an abysmal failure on the part of mainstream Marxism in the
United States to engage with Peruvian Maoism on its own terms.
from Slavoj Zizek, Tarrying With The
Tom,
You're a sick guy!!!
michael
Yeah you're right, just a touch of the flu though, nothing life threatening.
Thanks for asking.
But, seriously, I think it does help to put the very real *pain* of your
heart-breaking encounters with students in perspective of the equally real
*privilege*
Ellen,
Thanks for the comments. In a poll I saw in USA Today (I don't buy this
paper because of the strike, but it was on a table in the coffee shop),
teenagers in 7th through 12th grade gave these answers to the question:
what societal groups are most responsible for today's problems?:
Girls:
Agree for the most part, Lou, but what do you think of the Shining
Path?
John Lacny
There has been an abysmal failure on the part of mainstream Marxism in the
United States to engage with Peruvian Maoism on its own terms. Journals
like the Monthly Review and NACLA have written
Peter,
This is useful advice. No point to worry about being condescending.
michael
Peter Dorman wrote:
I know there's a political side to this issue, but I would like to
mention a useful technocratic device: fairly continuous classroom
assessment. I was converted to this approach many
Friends,
Yes, I do know that people are often affected by your teaching in ways
you do not know. I have experienced this many times.
In connection with Bill's comments about the origins of our school
system and a focus on encouraging loyalty to the state, here is a story
I wrote which may be
On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, Louis Proyect wrote:
To frame this in terms of the Khmer Rouge is completely outrageous and stupid.
Agree for the most part, Lou, but what do you think of the Shining
Path?
John Lacny
Tom,
You're a sick guy!!!
michael
Tom Walker wrote:
michael,
Maybe that prescription robot attendent job isn't as bad as it seemed, after
all?
regards,
Tom Walker
Paul,
thanks for the ideas. perhaps I'l try something with tv.
michael
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Michael,
I have found the most successful way of 'forcing' students to
prepare and think is to give them all their exam questions ahead of
the exam (by a few weeks), questions which cover
Until recently, I taught at a community college just outside of Boston,
where I encountered much of the same frustrations as Michael Yates.
I, and all my colleagues, tried every sort of pedagogical innovation that
came down the
pike -- daily quizzes, group-based learning, discovery learning,
Paul Meyer:
This is a fairly selective rendering of history. By the 1870's was up to his
neck in involvement with mass worker's movements and parties in the
industrializing
world.
No, it is not a "fairly selective" rendering of history. Teodor Shanin
characterizes Marx's interest in Russia as
For those interested, there is a fine and devastating essay by Martha
Nussbaum on Judith Butler in Feb 22 The New Republic (of all places.) Solid
humanist argument..says Butler belongs with the sophists, not philosophers,
by refusing to frame arguments in ways that encourage transparence and
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From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Back to the land? Absolutely.
...The name of this appropriate policy is
called socialist revolution. ...
or another version of 'go back to where you came from'?
I also wonder how those in Cambodia would view such a policy?
Michael Yates writes
But it seems to me that capitalism has succeeded
rather well in preparing young people to believe just
about anything and not to know how to analyze anything.
and triggers a most interesting debate. It shows that the revolution in the
industrial methods of the society
By the 1870s, he had become thoroughly disgusted with
capitalism and wrote to the Russian populist movement that they were
correct in fighting to defend the rural communes against capitalism. He
said that the accumulation model set forward in V. 1 of Capital was not
meant to be a universal
Quoth Michael Yates, in part:
Now I know we have discussed on these lists the state of education,
the nature of today's students, etc. But I have to say that the level of
illiteracy and general stupidity seems to be rising among students. the
most basic words are unknown to them, and they
G'day Jerry,
I never get anywhere when I argue with you, but this latest needs addressing.
I.Traffic is a sign of list health, imho;
II. Some of us don't have a life, you unfeeling brute!
You popular social lions shouldn't be so smugly exclusive around us
detrited social cripples - just
Okay, I'll try another scenario (I shouldn't listen to the BBC finance
programmes, they're beginning to sound .. well, so millenial):
Japan's government is issuing record debt. Long term interest rates are
gonna have to keep going up as a consequence. Makes the Yen stronger.
Japanese business
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From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
..I have no idea what you base these comments on. Is this something
you read
somewhere or is it based on first hand experience. You are posting
from
Australia, a modern industrial country with modern farming.
..
yes, louis.
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