[PEN-L:3293] Re: Re: Re: Biker buddy... sorta...

Actually the data show that wearing helmets actually increases costs in health care.. The reason is easy to see. Helmets save lives.The number of serious head injuries actually increase.People who would have died of head injuries live when helmets are introduced.. Anti-helmet groups often bring th

[PEN-L:3292] Re: Re: Biker buddy... sorta...

On Thu, February 11, 1999 at 20:47:00 (-0600) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Bill Lear writes: > >> I don't have too much of a problem arguing against helmet laws. My >> take is that if a person does not hurt another person, then they are >> free to hurt themselves and the state should not regulate t

[PEN-L:3284] Re: Re: Nicaragua

according to Sandinista Orlando Nunez Soto, a new 'democratic vanguard' is in the offing in Nicaragua via peasant associations, worker-owned factories, and individual farms...freed from party control since 1990, they have fought for their members' interests and sometimes won...despite nearly a

[PEN-L:3288] Re: Re: Biker buddy... sorta...

Bill Lear writes: > I don't have too much of a problem arguing against helmet laws. My > take is that if a person does not hurt another person, then they are > free to hurt themselves and the state should not regulate that > behavior --- if it can be shown that not wearing helmets poses a > thre

[PEN-L:3287] Re: Re: Ernest Mandel on long waves

Jim writes: > It doesn't negate the swing interpretation as much as provide and apply an > alternative framework. (To recap: I interpret the history of the 20th > century -- including the 1930s Collapse -- in terms of aggressive > accumulation causing overinvestment crises that appear in differen

[PEN-L:3283] City on Fire: Hong Kong Cinema

Thanks to Louis P for posting below (which I've taken liberty of reposting)...I only sub to a few lists and would appreciate folks forwarding to other lists and people who might be interested... btw: description should read 'John Woo's martial arts with automatic weapons flicks'... Verso spring

[PEN-L:3285] Re: Re: Back to the land<000301be54ae$5eddf600$44e13ecb@rcollins> <3.0.1.32.19990210125427.00d9c5f0@popserver.panix.com> <36C3602E.28EDC13B@uniserve.com>

Just a few additions to Sam's excellent post. Pol Pot's background was in the peasantry. Although his parents were better off peasants, without a government scholarship Pol Pot would not have been able to go to Paris to study and eventually teach. While in France he was active within French Commu

[PEN-L:3290] French conflict over hours

PARIS, Jan. 14 (UPI) _ With the legal workweek in France soon to be 35 hours, a Versailles court case beginning in March has suddenly taken on significance. At issue is the French job inspectorate, whose huge staff is using a law originally framed to close sweatshops employing illegal workers

[PEN-L:3289] Re: Re: Schooling: Montessori and Dewey

>"William S. Lear" wrote: >> >> I was told that John Dewey was a harsh critic of Maria Montessori, I >> think during the 50s or thereabouts. Anyone know of this? Anyone >> have opinions on Montessori schools (I went to one when I was young, >> and my wife and I are considering putting our son in

[PEN-L:3286] Jim O' Connor on AGF's World Economy 1400-1800

Between 1400-1800 the major nations/regions (and some minor ones) diversified their peoples' consumption basket via foreign trade. At the end of the mercantilist/absolutist era in the West, each major nation-state followed an import substitute industrialization (ISI) foreign trade/investment polic

[PEN-L:3226] Re: Back to the land

-Original Message- From: Louis Proyect <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Back to the land? Absolutely. >...The name of this appropriate policy is >called socialist revolution. ... or another version of 'go back to where you came from'? I also wonder how those in Cambodia would view such a policy?

[PEN-L:3276] Re: Re: BLS Daily Report

William S. Lear wrote: >Dave, any way you can turn off the Microsoft crud that always follows >the text? I don't get any Microsoft crud at the bottom of mine. Maybe Eudora's smart enough to repress it. Doug

[PEN-L:3274] BLS Daily Report

This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --_=_NextPart_000_01BE55FF.086894D0 BLS DAILY REPORT, THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 11, 1999: Today's News Release: "Multifactor Productivity Trends, 1997: Private B

[PEN-L:3278] Re: fwd: [HAYEK-L:] H-WEB: R Hahnel on Roemer, Socialism & Hayek

So what is left, or I mean what remains, of analytical marxism..? And is this the future of "socialism"? Why is that word still used at all to describe such a travesty of anything remotely resembling socialism? Cheers, Ken Hanly Rosser Jr, John Barkley wrote: > --- Begin Forwarded Message ---

[PEN-L:3282] Timor.

Jakarta has been making noises recently about granting E.Timor autonomy or even independance and freeing Xanana Gusmao. Their have been contradictory reports coming over the CBC and the BBC. A faction of Timorese have armed themselves or have been armed and are planning to fight the pro-independan

[PEN-L:3281] Re: Back to the land<000301be54ae$5eddf600$44e13ecb@rcollins> <3.0.1.32.19990210125427.00d9c5f0@popserver.panix.com>

Back to the land was actually carried out after the successful revolutions in Cambodia in 1975 and to a much lesser extent in Vietnam. Starting on April 17, 75 the CPK(Khmer Rouge) evacuated 90% of the population of Phnem Penh to the countryside. I would argue that this was the only option the CP

[PEN-L:3275] Re: BLS Daily Report

Dave, any way you can turn off the Microsoft crud that always follows the text? Bill On Thu, February 11, 1999 at 15:42:40 (-0500) Richardson_D writes: >BLS DAILY REPORT, THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 11, 1999: >...

[PEN-L:3270] Back to the land

>great, then again we are in agreement. so why did you insist however >many posts ago that the socialist revolution is about getting back to >the land? Why did I write that socialist revolution is about getting back to the land? Because in the countries I was writing about that was the key dem

[PEN-L:3269] Back to the land

>no, not interested in discussing marxism? didn't think so. {{answer >me this then: why are you moderating a marxism list? > >angela There are many places where Marxism can be discussed, such as Doug's LBO-Talk. The Marxism list is designed to facilitate Marxist analysis. This is a sample of w

[PEN-L:3273] Re: Biker buddy... sorta...

On Thu, February 11, 1999 at 14:39:28 (EST) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >[Biker buddy:] >Marxism is nanny government at its worst. The individual freedoms we value so >highly are not tolerated under Marxism, which is what compels so many people >to want to live here rather than in Marxist (communist

[PEN-L:3280] Re: Biker buddy... sorta...

Saith "Biker Buddy":>Marxism is nanny government at its worst. < "Marxism" is not a form of government at all. It's a view (based on what Marx wrote) of how history works under capitalism, a critique of that system, and a tool for figuring out what to do about it. There are a lot of different int

[PEN-L:3279] Re: fwd: Keynes queer birthing...

This story isn't complete without mention of Ellsberg's "outing" of subjective probability. Daniel Ellsberg (yes, that Daniel Ellsberg) wrote his Harvard PhD dissertation on this question, of which a key section can be found in the 1961 Quarterly Journal of Economics, "Risk, ambiguity and the Sava

[PEN-L:3265] fwd: [HAYEK-L:] H-WEB: R Hahnel on Roemer, Socialism & Hayek

--- Begin Forwarded Message --- Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:05:57 EST From: Hayek-L List Host <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [HAYEK-L:] H-WEB: R Hahnel on Roemer, Socialism & Hayek Sender: Hayek Related Research <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Hayek Related Research <[EMAIL PRO

[PEN-L:3264] fwd: [HAYEK-L:] H-WEB: R Hahnel on Publishing Under Participatory Democracy

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[PEN-L:3263] Back to the land

>how about this for a deal: you address your comments to my claims, >like that marxism is neither a one-sided celebration of progress nor a >demand for a retreat to the past, and then we can have a conversation. >i know you don't want to be troubled with all that pomo rubbish, but >waht about all

[PEN-L:3225] Re: students

Michael Yates writes >But it seems to me that capitalism has succeeded >rather well in preparing young people to believe just >about anything and not to know how to analyze anything. and triggers a most interesting debate. It shows that the revolution in the industrial methods of the society (

[PEN-L:3260] fwd: Keynes queer birthing...

--- Begin Forwarded Message --- Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:19:21 -0500 From: Doug Henwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Keynes queer birthing... Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: POST-KEYNESIAN THOUGHT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyone seen this before

Re: [PEN-L:3152] Aztecs or migration

There are all sorts of reasons for migration, not simply the lure of the cities not simply to get away from oppressive rural conditions. Capitalist agriculture is perhaps the most important factor for migration in a typical developing country. Population pressure, access to education, rising inco

[PEN-L:3277] stop waiting

Jerry: Your solution exists at http://csf.Colorado.EDU/mail/pen-l/feb99/date.html#start where you can read Pen-L like a newspaper, picking out the people you like and threads you find engaging. Set your mail to postpone. Re "non-economists:" the participation of people unwarped by professiona

[PEN-L:3258] Zizek

The Independent (London) June 21, 1998, Sunday Interview: Terrible old Stalinist with the answer to life, the universe and everything; Slovenian thinker Slavoj Zizek is a darling of the intellectual left and a brilliant commentator on pop culture. But the really important thing about him is th

[PEN-L:3256] re: Jerry Levy

michael, re: Jerry Levy. Give the pathetic sucker another chance. Barkley Rosser -- Rosser Jr, John Barkley [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:3255] Re: Re: Re: Back to the land

Uh oh. I never thought that I would say that we would need that Sendero spokesman, Adolpho Olaechea on pen-l. But, speaking for him in his absence, I would note that there is a large difference between what they propose and what was carried out by the Khmer Rouge. Conflating the two i

[PEN-L:3262] Schooling: Montessori and Dewey

I was told that John Dewey was a harsh critic of Maria Montessori, I think during the 50s or thereabouts. Anyone know of this? Anyone have opinions on Montessori schools (I went to one when I was young, and my wife and I are considering putting our son in one). Bill

[PEN-L:3254] Re: Back to the land

Louis, Yeah, but does Betty Boop have a lesbian phallus? Barkley Rosser On Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:06:49 -0500 Louis Proyect <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Angela: > >not at all. i was asking how you would distinguish your yearning from > >their's. both of which, as zizek notes, echoing marx, a

[PEN-L:3272] Re: re: Jerry Levy

Please, I do not think that we need to dump on Jerry. Hopefully, he will decide to come back and participate constructively. Rosser Jr, John Barkley wrote: > michael, > re: Jerry Levy. > Give the pathetic sucker another chance. > Barkley Rosser > > -- > Rosser Jr, John Barkley > [EMAI

[PEN-L:3251] Back to the land

Angela: >not at all. i was asking how you would distinguish your yearning from >their's. both of which, as zizek notes, echoing marx, are dreams of >the past from the position of the present. idealisations - in short, >a kind of reverse utopianism, in the sense in which marx spoke of it: >as id

[PEN-L:3249] Re: Back to the land

Louis Proyect wrote: >It depresses me to see Doug citing such overinflated, academic jargon. It >would be the same thing as seeing Jeff St. Clair quoting Heidegger in >order to explain deforestration in the Pacific Northwest. Oh, right, I meant to say this: Jeff tells me he's bored & frustrated

[PEN-L:3247] Re: Back to the land

Louis Proyect wrote: >This epitomizes the difference between Doug and me. He cites Zizek the >philosopher, whose prose is devoid of the all-important "who", "what", >"where", "when" and "how". It is utterly sterile. Sterile? I read it as going a long way towards explaining the appeal of idealize

[PEN-L:3246] Back to the land

>from Slavoj Zizek, Tarrying With The Negative: > >This antagonistic splitting opens up the field for the Khmer Rouge, Sendero >Luminoso, and other similar movements which seem to personify radical Evil" >in today's politics: if "fundamentalism" functions as a kind of negative >judgment" on libera

[PEN-L:3268] Re: Schooling: Montessori and Dewey

I know only the brief discussion in Alan Ryan's biography of Dewey. Dewey regarded the Montessori approach as authoritarian and limiting. They had fundamentally different notions of what "socialization" ought to mean. For Montessori it meant (and here I'm getting this from Dewey via Ryan) the i

[PEN-L:3245] Re: Marx and imperialism

In a message dated 2/11/1999 9:16:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Paul Meyer: >This is a fairly selective rendering of history. By the 1870's was up to his >neck in involvement with mass worker's movements and parties in the >industrializing >world. No, it is not

[PEN-L:3241] Re: Back to the land

Louis Proyect wrote: >> Agree for the most part, Lou, but what do you think of the Shining >>Path? >> >> John Lacny > >There has been an abysmal failure on the part of mainstream Marxism in the >United States to engage with Peruvian Maoism on its own terms. from Slavoj Zizek, Tarrying

[PEN-L:3242] BLS Daily Report

This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --_=_NextPart_000_01BE55D9.E4E4A7B0 BLS DAILY REPORT, WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 10,1999 RELEASED TODAY: All measures of major work stoppage activity rose in 199

[PEN-L:3243] Back to the land

Angela: >but, i did not frame this as such. it has already been framed as such >by the khmer rouge and by shining path. Please don't confuse these 2 groups. > my comments go to the >question of how exactly you would distinguish your version of 'back to >the land' from these historical experien

[PEN-L:3261] Re: Ernest Mandel on long waves

Paul Phillips writes: >I too have great reservations about the technology theories -- in part >because the attempts to test them empirically have not proven very >successful, and, in the case of Schumpeter, there is no concept of >swings or stages and the initial innovation is exogenous to the

[PEN-L:3237] Re: Re: students

Ellen, Thanks for the comments. In a poll I saw in USA Today (I don't buy this paper because of the strike, but it was on a table in the coffee shop), teenagers in 7th through 12th grade gave these answers to the question: what societal groups are most responsible for today's problems?: Girls:

[PEN-L:3236] Back to the land

> Agree for the most part, Lou, but what do you think of the Shining >Path? > > John Lacny There has been an abysmal failure on the part of mainstream Marxism in the United States to engage with Peruvian Maoism on its own terms. Journals like the Monthly Review and NACLA have written

[PEN-L:3235] Re: Re: students

Peter, This is useful advice. No point to worry about being condescending. michael Peter Dorman wrote: > > I know there's a political side to this issue, but I would like to > mention a useful technocratic device: fairly continuous classroom > assessment. I was converted to this approach man

[PEN-L:3234] Re: Re: Re: students<14018.11435.938600.895526@lisa.zopyra.com><36C241B1.6E2D8247@pitt.edu> <14018.25990.738244.103348@lisa.zopyra.com>

Friends, Yes, I do know that people are often affected by your teaching in ways you do not know. I have experienced this many times. In connection with Bill's comments about the origins of our school system and a focus on encouraging loyalty to the state, here is a story I wrote which may be of

[PEN-L:3233] Re: Re: Re: Back to the land

On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, Louis Proyect wrote: > To frame this in terms of the Khmer Rouge is completely outrageous and stupid. > Agree for the most part, Lou, but what do you think of the Shining Path? John Lacny

[PEN-L:3232] Re: Re: students

Tom, You're a sick guy!!! michael Tom Walker wrote: > > michael, > > Maybe that prescription robot attendent job isn't as bad as it seemed, after > all? > > regards, > > Tom Walker

[PEN-L:3231] Re: Re: Re: Re: students

Paul, thanks for the ideas. perhaps I'l try something with tv. michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Michael, > > I have found the most successful way of 'forcing' students to > prepare and think is to give them all their exam questions ahead of > the exam (by a few weeks), questions which co

[PEN-L:3252] Education and Students

I wrote this last night, but it bounced. 150 years ago school children were generally elites who memorize Latin and Greek. In the interim, we have been moving more toward changing universities into trade schools. The sort of experience that Bill Lear described about learning about Chomsky was m

[PEN-L:3253] Re: Marx and imperialism

Paul Meyer writes: >In any case, the issue of scarcity can't be overlooked, no matter how many quotations one wants to marshall for evidence. Lenin recognized the problem himself and thought that it was a European-wide revolution that would save Russia from its poverty. < I heard one response t

[PEN-L:3230] Re: Re: Back to the land

>or another version of 'go back to where you came from'? > >I also wonder how those in Cambodia would view such a policy? > >angela I am glad you brought up the question of Cambodia, since there was a veiled reference to it in Doug's quip about "depopulating" Managua and Mexico City. This is a gr

[PEN-L:3229] Re: students

Until recently, I taught at a community college just outside of Boston, where I encountered much of the same frustrations as Michael Yates. I, and all my colleagues, tried every sort of pedagogical innovation that came down the pike -- daily quizzes, group-based learning, discovery learning, fie

[PEN-L:3228] Marx and imperialism

Paul Meyer: >This is a fairly selective rendering of history. By the 1870's was up to his >neck in involvement with mass worker's movements and parties in the >industrializing >world. No, it is not a "fairly selective" rendering of history. Teodor Shanin characterizes Marx's interest in Russia as

[PEN-L:3250] Re: Re: students

On the political economy of schooling, I can't think of any book since Bowles & Gintis' SCHOOLING IN CAPITALIST AMERICA, which was published more than 20 years ago. But I'm sure that others on pen-l can remember other books. B&G (who later changed their opinions on a lot) analyze schooling in ter

[PEN-L:3244] pledge of allegiance

Michael Yates wrote: >Would it been too much to expect her to >have seen the hypocrisy of the pledge of allegiance with its propaganda >of "liberty and justice for all"? How could any black person believe >this, let alone pledge allegiance to it? Jennifer Hochschild, in _Facing up to the Americ

[PEN-L:3238] Re: students

>Tom, > >You're a sick guy!!! > >michael Yeah you're right, just a touch of the flu though, nothing life threatening. Thanks for asking. But, seriously, I think it does help to put the very real *pain* of your heart-breaking encounters with students in perspective of the equally real *privilege*

[PEN-L:3224] Re: Re: Re: Nigeria

<< By the 1870s, he had become thoroughly disgusted with capitalism and wrote to the Russian populist movement that they were correct in fighting to defend the rural communes against capitalism. He said that the accumulation model set forward in V. 1 of Capital was not meant to be a universal

[PEN-L:3227] Judith Butler Redux

For those interested, there is a fine and devastating essay by Martha Nussbaum on Judith Butler in Feb 22 The New Republic (of all places.) Solid humanist argument..says Butler belongs with the sophists, not philosophers, by refusing to frame arguments in ways that encourage transparence and respe

[PEN-L:3163] Japan can't get out from under?

Okay, I'll try another scenario (I shouldn't listen to the BBC finance programmes, they're beginning to sound .. well, so millenial): Japan's government is issuing record debt. Long term interest rates are gonna have to keep going up as a consequence. Makes the Yen stronger. Japanese business d

[PEN-L:3223] Students and reality

Quoth Michael Yates, in part: > Now I know we have discussed on these lists the state of education, > the nature of today's students, etc. But I have to say that the level of > illiteracy and general stupidity seems to be rising among students. the > most basic words are unknown to them, and the

[PEN-L:3155] Re: Aztecs

-Original Message- From: Louis Proyect <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ..>I have no idea what you base these comments on. Is this something you read >somewhere or is it based on first hand experience. You are posting from >Australia, a modern industrial country with modern farming. .. yes, louis. ev

[PEN-L:3150] Re: Re: We are waiting

G'day Jerry, I never get anywhere when I argue with you, but this latest needs addressing. I.Traffic is a sign of list health, imho; II. Some of us don't have a life, you unfeeling brute! You popular social lions shouldn't be so smugly exclusive around us detrited social cripples - just