Global pollution fees

2000-06-25 Thread Chris Burford
I see from New Scientist, that the Royal Commission on the environment which last week warned of catastrophe within 50 years, has proposed the global egalitarian solution that each country should have a pollution quota based on its population. Heavy polluting countries could then buy rights

Re: Re: Re: Re: Concerning Wynne Godley

2000-06-25 Thread Doyle Saylor
Greetings Economists, C. Gregory writes, Christian Gregory I get that. Doyle In reference to what Michael Perelman was writing about bonds being withdrawn as debt is paid off. C. Gregory continues, Christian Gregory, I don't get why the disappearance of those assets automatically means

Re: Typo correction, Re: Re: Re: Re: ConcerningWynne Godley

2000-06-25 Thread Doyle Saylor
Title: Re: [PEN-L:20674] Typo correction, Re: Re: Re: Re: Concerning Wynne Godley Greetings Economists, I felt the need to restate what C. Gregory asked to M. Perelman. I failed to put a question mark in the sentence where I meant it. See below for correction. Christian Gregory I get that.

Re: Re: Typo correction, Re: Re: Re: Re: ConcerningWynne Godley

2000-06-25 Thread Michael Perelman
Doyle, maybe I did not understand the question. The ultimate result of the bonds coming due would be that households would be holding money rather than bonds. They could use the money to buy other assets, but the could not add to their holdings of bonds because the gov't would not be offering

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Definition of Political Economy(fwd)

2000-06-25 Thread Carrol Cox
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, Carrol, orthodox Marxism is a myth? I wish. --jks It is a myth absolutely necessary for the health of red-baiting. No Stalinist was ever so dependent on jargon of any sort as are red-baiters on the myth of orthodox marxism to red-baiting. The use of the term is

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Definition of Political Economy(fwd)

2000-06-25 Thread md7148
In a message dated 6/24/00 2:33:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bebel, like Kautsky, was a social democrat. Zetkin, like Luxemburg, was a socialist. Their approach to _Woman Question_ differed accordingly. Both Z and L criticized the party line orthodoxy represented by

Re: Re: Re: Re: Concerning Wynne Godley

2000-06-25 Thread Doug Henwood
christian a. gregory wrote: I get that. I don't get why the disappearance of those assets automatically means that the wealth once held in them becomes a liability. Is it assumed that turning treasuries into cash amounts to a debit or consumption/investment? As the old Treasury debt matures,

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Definition of Political Economy(fwd)

2000-06-25 Thread Doug Henwood
Carrol Cox wrote: No Stalinist was ever so dependent on jargon of any sort as are red-baiters on the myth of orthodox marxism to red-baiting. That's really funny. You mean offbeat Marxists like Adorno or Lefebvre wrote more jargon-ridden prose than your average pronunciamento of the CPSU?

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Definition of PoliticalEconomy(fwd)

2000-06-25 Thread Carrol Cox
Doug Henwood wrote: Carrol Cox wrote: No Stalinist was ever so dependent on jargon of any sort as are red-baiters on the myth of orthodox marxism to red-baiting. That's really funny. You mean offbeat Marxists like Adorno or Lefebvre wrote more jargon-ridden prose than your average

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Definition of PoliticalEconomy(fwd)

2000-06-25 Thread Doug Henwood
Carrol Cox wrote: And this exactly illustrates my point -- Red Baiters (and in this case I mean specifically you) If this isn't unimaginative name-calling, I don't know what is. If you think I'm a Red Baiter, you've got a pretty odd conception of the political spectrum - as odd Cokie Roberts

Dogmatism, and homosexuality

2000-06-25 Thread Doyle Saylor
Title: Dogmatism, and homosexuality Greetings Economists, I've been mulling over my history, and my understanding of life experiences. It is Queer Pride day Sunday in San Francisco. Thirty years ago I was involved in minor ways with organizing gay people on the road to the left. At that time,

Orthodox Marxism and Red Baiting

2000-06-25 Thread Michael Perelman
We don't need to get into name-calling here, but the discussion does raise an interesting idea. The word orthodox is used either to do mean somebody, or to proudly set oneself apart from a larger group, sort of like gay people declaring themselves to be queer. I've never known anybody to

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Definition ofPoliticalEconomy(fwd)

2000-06-25 Thread Carrol Cox
Doug Henwood wrote: And this exactly illustrates my point -- Red Baiters (and in this case I mean specifically you) If this isn't unimaginative name-calling, I don't know what is. It is not name calling because it is limited in its application to a very narrowly defined class of texts. I

Accusations of lying

2000-06-25 Thread michael
Let's try to be more constructive here. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Orthodox Marxism and Red Baiting

2000-06-25 Thread Carrol Cox
I completely agree with Michael here. And I would like to stop the developing flame war. I simply insist that my arguments be met with counter-arguments, not with labels. Carrol Michael Perelman wrote: We don't need to get into name-calling here, but the discussion does raise an interesting

We used 10 times as much energy in the 20th century as in the 1,000 previous years

2000-06-25 Thread Louis Proyect
NY Times, June 25, 2000 Review : "Something New Under the Sun: An Environmental History of the Twentieth-Century World", by J. R. McNEILL" First Chapter: http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/m/mcneill-sun.html By DICK TERESI On an April day in 1970 I was riding an elevator to my job at Fawcett

Three Takes on Time (was Re: Enjoying Orthodoxy)

2000-06-25 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Justin wrote: Walter Benjamin is the only Marxist intellectual whose writings may be described as millenarian in an authentic sense. Yoshie What about Ernst Bloch? --jks I've only read the third volume of _The Principle of Hope_. Bloch Benjamin are kindred spirits in their passionate

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Definition of Political Economy(fwd)

2000-06-25 Thread JKSCHW
You and CArroll responnd to sharp criticism with accusations of Red-baiting, and then have the chutzpah to reproach me for ad hominem attacks. Of course Marx was nota n orthodix Marxist. He was, as he said when he encountered the phenonomenon of orthodox Marxism, not a Marxist at all. He

Re: Orthodox Marxism and Red Baiting

2000-06-25 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 6/25/00 6:39:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We don't need to get into name-calling here, but the discussion does raise an interesting idea. The word orthodox is used either to do mean somebody, or to proudly set oneself apart from a larger group,

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Concerning Wynne Godley

2000-06-25 Thread Jim Devine
someone wrote: Imagine that the households hold large amounts of government debt as assets. Other things being equal, if the government runs surpluses, then those assets disappear. Christian Gregory writes: I get that. I don't get why the disappearance of those assets automatically

Re: Re: Re: dialectical method

2000-06-25 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: "orthodox Marxism" is an oxymoron. Ever since the beginning of the Marxian world-view, it's been a _debate_, not an orthodoxy. Justin writes: Oh, I agree that there has been a lot of debate. That's true in Catholic theology as well. this is name-calling, which suggests that you

Re: Fwd: Re: Re: Re: GA Cohen

2000-06-25 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: A lot of other people, "put the issue [of functional explanation] on the table." For example, see Rader, Melvin. 1979. Marx's Interpretation of History (New York: Oxford). Of course, Rader didn't do so using false precision the way GA Cohen did. He also doesn't go for

Re: Re: Concerning Wynne Godley

2000-06-25 Thread Jim Devine
At 09:35 AM 06/24/2000 -0700, you wrote: Godley uses the accounting identity that the private financial balance, the trade balance and the gov't balance (written as a deficit) have to sum to zero. I take this to be a restatement of the basic macro identity S - I = (G + TR - TA) + NX. No? This

Re: Fwd: Re: Re: Re: GA Cohen

2000-06-25 Thread Jim Devine
Justin writes: I agree. It's part of my criticism of Cohen in that he cannot make this distinction, although he does insist in another part of his account on the distinction between relations of production that are functional for and those that fewtter or are dysfunctional for the forces

Re: Re: Marx's Accomplishments.

2000-06-25 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: And Marx, unlike the rat choice types, saw "preferences" as endogenous. Justin writes: As did Smith and Hobbes. But the exogeny of preferences can be just a useful assumption, adopted for limited purposes, as long as you don't get stuck on it. Smith assumed that people had an