Re: Re: nationalism

2000-11-20 Thread Jim Devine
At 06:34 PM 11/20/2000 -0500, you wrote: >No so fast! You have to finish reading the quoted passage to the _end_ of >its last sentence. Sure, all nationalisms are cross-class affairs, but >Jim B. was emphasizing the specificity of anti-colonial & >anti-neo-colonial nationalisms as multi-class

Re: Re: nationalism/Blaut

2000-11-20 Thread Michael Perelman
Earlier, I was concerned about Neil's sectarian posts, but the sentiment on the list overruled me. Attacking Jim so soon after his death was certainly in bad taste, showing a great deal of insensitivity. Louis's response to Neil, referring to him as sectarian vermin was certainly over the top.

Re: nationalism/Blaut

2000-11-20 Thread neil
This was quite a reply to the critique of nat-lib/Blaut from Louis P! Ah, What splendid profundity shown for his political trend! -- Forwarded Message -- From: Louis Proyect, INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TO: (unknown), 74742,1651 DATE: 11/20/00 4:58 PM RE: Re: [PEN

Voters vote NO on war on drugs

2000-11-20 Thread Ken Hanly
The Chicago Tribune November 20, 2000 Voters Clearly Punched 'No' To War on Drugs by Salim Muwakkil The results of the presidential vote may be ambiguous, but one clear result of the Nov. 7 election was the electorate's fading allegiance to the nation's war on drugs. There were drug-policy issu

nationalism/Blaut

2000-11-20 Thread neil
In e-mail discussions with the late Jim Blaut in 1996-8 , he never counld explain why the 'theory' of so-called national liberation of colonies since WW1 with the cross class blocs of forces always ended up with the national bourgeois on top and the toiling masses urban and rural, politically

Re: nationalism

2000-11-20 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Jim D. writes: >Yoshie quotes the late Jim Blaut as saying: >The nature of >colonialism is such that producing classes suffer along with >whatever young or incipient bourgeoisie may exist. Therefore the >national liberation movements in colonies and semi-colonies are >profoundly different fro

Re: Re: yet another US electile disfunction commentary

2000-11-20 Thread Ken Hanly
We are hoping to be number one in the world for sin taxes. With all the revenue coming from cigs, gambling, gas, and liquor we will soon be hopelessly dependent upon sin. Of course politicians have no problem with this since they just love contradictory policies. They can virtuously condemn sin w

Akwesasne Task Force on the Environment

2000-11-20 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
>-Original Message- >From: Mary Arquette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 7:26 AM >Subject: Help need > >She:kon: > >I hope you are all well. > >I just wanted to alert you to a protest that is coming up soon being >organized by our Environmental Task Force in A

Re: yet another US electile disfunction commentary

2000-11-20 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Ken says: >Be serious. THe idiotic policy implication does not follow at all. Smoking >decreases the quality and length of life for the smoker and others. The >point of the argument is to refute the claim that there should be a charge >against tobacco companies and users because smokers cost the

Declaration of European Economists

2000-11-20 Thread Frank Schroeder
Dear colleague, attached you find a declaration by European economists entitled "Full employment and a strong social constitution - Alternatives for a New Economy in Europe". This declaration is the result of the discussions which the working group "European economists for an alternative econo

how Green is my Valley

2000-11-20 Thread Jim Devine
from open ranchland and orchards into a swarm of subdivisions and strip malls--as something of a modest Green refuge. ...< for the rest, see: http://www.latimes.com/news/state/20001120/t000111481.html Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http:/bellarmine.lmu.edu/~JDevine "It takes a busload of faith to get by." -- Lou Reed.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: yet another US electile disfunction commentary

2000-11-20 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
And, most people will incur extraordinary medical expenses at the end of their lives whether they are dying sooner from lung cancer (or some other tobacco- induced illness) rather than later. The "saving money" argument comes from reduced social security outlays. Barkley Rosser -Origin

nationalism

2000-11-20 Thread Jim Devine
Yoshie quotes the late Jim Blaut as saying: >The nature of colonialism is such that producing classes suffer along with whatever young or incipient bourgeoisie may exist. Therefore the national liberation movements in colonies and semi-colonies are profoundly different from the national moveme

BLS Daily Report

2000-11-20 Thread Richardson_D
BLS DAILY REPORT, FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 17, 2000 RELEASED TODAY: The average annual pay of all workers covered by state and federal unemployment insurance (UI) programs rose 4.3 percent to $33,313 in 1999, according to preliminary data. This compares with a 5.2 percent rise in 1998. The annual pay

Foreigners' Views of U.S.

2000-11-20 Thread Max Sawicky
A view from the developing world: >From an article in which a Zimbabwe politician was quoted as saying that children should study this event closely for it shows that election fraud is not only a third world phenomenon... 1. Imagine that we read of an election occuring anywhere in the third worl

Re: But a closer link is drawn between the two stories whenAnytus hears that

2000-11-20 Thread Carrol Cox
Lisa & Ian Murray wrote: > >>But a closer link is drawn between the two stories when Anytus hears that > Socrates, on his deathbed, has said: "Death is only the separation of the > soul from the body. . . . Men who fear death love the body, and probably > power and money, as well." > > ***

Re: Re: Democracy or Empire?

2000-11-20 Thread Charles Brown
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/20/00 12:35PM >>> At 12:27 PM 11/20/00 -0500, you wrote: >CB: What is meant by "democracy" ? To me popular sovereignty is the >fundamental definition of democracy. right, but not the kind of popular sovereignty that Locke advocated, where property rights and the like

Re: Re: Democracy or Empire?

2000-11-20 Thread Jim Devine
At 12:27 PM 11/20/00 -0500, you wrote: >CB: What is meant by "democracy" ? To me popular sovereignty is the >fundamental definition of democracy. right, but not the kind of popular sovereignty that Locke advocated, where property rights and the like limited citizenship. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTE

Re: a closer link . . .(was a dark novel. . .)

2000-11-20 Thread Timework Web
Ian Murray wrote, > While Socrates may have said something like the above; he's totally > wrong on the sentiment. The love of money and power are manifestations > of a fear of death, the source of the idea of a duality of the > "soul" and the body. The pyramids and Pharaoh's say it all i.e

H-ASIA: CFP Seminar on Globalisation and India's Environment, Bombay,Feb. 2001 (fwd)

2000-11-20 Thread Anthony DCosta
FYI Anthony P. D'Costa Associate Professor Ph: (253) 692-4462 Comparative International Development Fax: (253) 692-5718 University of Washington

agreed

2000-11-20 Thread Jim Devine
Yoshie said: >For the same reason, "global democracy" ain't gonna come without the abolition of capitalism & transition to socialism worldwide. There's a reason why real power in the U.N. resides in the Security Council, not in the General Assembly.< I agree. Not only that, but the UN current

Re: Democracy or Empire?

2000-11-20 Thread Charles Brown
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/19/00 04:20PM >>> Carrol writes: >Democracy of one sort or another, limited in one way or another, has >always been the most efficient system of imperial rule. Democracy *and* Empire. so you're saying that we should get rid of democracy? I think that instead we need t

James M. Blaut; teacher, activist

2000-11-20 Thread Louis Proyect
Chicago Sun-Times, November 15, 2000, WEDNESDAY, Late Sports Final Edition James M. Blaut; teacher, activist BY NEIL STEINBERG An impassioned supporter of the downtrodden, James M. "Jim" Blaut devoted much of his scholarship to debunking a "Eurocentric" view of the world. A professor of ge

But a closer link is drawn between the two stories when Anytus hears that

2000-11-20 Thread Lisa & Ian Murray
>>But a closer link is drawn between the two stories when Anytus hears that Socrates, on his deathbed, has said: "Death is only the separation of the soul from the body. . . . Men who fear death love the body, and probably power and money, as well." *** While Socrates may have said somethin

RE: RE: Re: Nader's plans

2000-11-20 Thread Lisa & Ian Murray
"kids" ain't into that new age stuff the way their boomer forbearers were. they handle the drugz better too. ian > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mikalac Norman S > NSSC > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 6:13 AM > To: '[EMAIL PRO

RE: Hoax

2000-11-20 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
KJ Khoo, Where are you from? First I should thank myself - thanks Ricardo - for encouraging diversity in this list and bringing some fresh air into the inveterate exchanges between Itchy and Scratchy. Some ideas peculiar to modern culture encourage that diversity, such as the ethic of authe

RE: Re: Cuba's future

2000-11-20 Thread Mikalac Norman S NSSC
thank you for your excellent post, yoshie. your essay and the web site references are highly educational for me. since the Cuban experiment is so important to PEN subscribers, i plan to study its economy and government more closely to become "dans la vente". your post gives me a good start. so,

RE: Re: Nader's plans

2000-11-20 Thread Mikalac Norman S NSSC
i agree. if Ralph sticks to his message, disseminates it via the internet to the young people, then the Greens have a chance to grow with the newer generations. however, as yoshie pointed out, the Greens have to have to stay away from Earth Goddess and Flower Children themes for the masses to st

A dark novel about the new economy

2000-11-20 Thread Louis Proyect
NY Times, November 20, 2000 New Economy: A Modern Tragedy Worthy of Plato By TIM RICE It's a long stretch from Socrates drinking the hemlock to Pets.com pulling the plug. Some 2,400 years in fact. But Alan Lightman, a runner-up in the National Book Award for fiction that was awarded last week,

smoking and taxes

2000-11-20 Thread Michael Perelman
I should have mentioned in response to Max had predictive properties of cigarettes have made them an ideal tax source for centuries. For example, France prohibited the planting of tobacco because it would have an easier time in taxing tobacco imports than a domestic product. -- Michael Perelman

Ousmane Sembene: Guelwaar (was Re: Oil & Socialism)

2000-11-20 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Sam Pawlett wrote: > > so what if fuel costs become higher in the short >> run? can't it just pass them along to the consumer? > >Yes, but fossil fuel is one of the main inputs into modern industrial >agriculture. Passing costs on to the consumer will mean higher food >prices, perhaps manageab