Re: Iraqis resist ban on unions

2003-11-08 Thread Sasha Lilley
Thanks for all the praise. We're attempting to bring programming to KPFA's airwaves that is both analytical and critical of the Left from the Left --with varying degrees of success. Nonetheless, it's nice to know that people find it engaging. I'll do my best to alert PEN-Lers to relevant topics

Re: cronysm? What cronyism?

2003-11-08 Thread k hanly
Yes. But the author is unaware of that. Cheers, Ken Hanly - Original Message - From: "paul phillips" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:28 PM Subject: Re: cronysm? What cronyism? > This is a joke, no? > > Paul Phillips > > Eubulides wrote: >

Re: BBC NEWS | Americas | Widow leaves US radio $200m

2003-11-08 Thread k hanly
This just goes to show what has been evident for some time. NPR is a Kroc. Cheers, Ken Hanly - Original Message - From: "ravi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 11:47 AM Subject: BBC NEWS | Americas | Widow leaves US radio $200m >

Re: One sentence posts to PEN-L

2003-11-08 Thread k hanly
THeres that Preacher again. Cheers Ken Hanly - Original Message - From: "Louis Proyect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 12:32 PM Subject: One sentence posts to PEN-L > I don't want to single anybody out, but there have been a whole slew of > on

Re: One sentence posts to PEN-L

2003-11-08 Thread Louis Proyect
Ken Hanyl wrote: THeres that Preacher again. Were people preaching when they complained about Jurriaan posting too frequently to pen-l? This is an open and democratic forum. People have the right to make comments about the quality and quantity of posts to pen-l, as they would on marxmail or lbo-tal

Re: One sentence posts to PEN-L

2003-11-08 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
At 10:24 AM -0500 11/8/03, Louis Proyect wrote: The Internet is as revolutionary a medium as the printing press of the Reformation was. Time to get used to that. No revolution happens without rich ensembles of personal social networks, though. For all we know, chatting on the Net may be part of re

Gernot Köhler on Mandel/Brenner

2003-11-08 Thread michael
Forwarded from Gernot Köhler -- Louis Proyect circulated an interesting quotation from Ernest Mandel, Marxist Economic Theory, recently (see below). Mandel's expression of "two forms of surplus-value" caught my attention. The second form of surplus value a la Mandel refers to the well-

Re: Gernot Köhler on Mandel/Brenner

2003-11-08 Thread Doug Henwood
I'm really afraid of stirring up a hornet's nest, but what was done with the proceeds of the looting of the proto-colonies? Was it re-invested productively, or squandered on luxury consumption? Doug

Re: Gernot Köhler on Mandel/Brenner

2003-11-08 Thread Louis Proyect
I'm really afraid of stirring up a hornet's nest, but what was done with the proceeds of the looting of the proto-colonies? Was it re-invested productively, or squandered on luxury consumption? Doug For PEN-L'ers interested in these sorts of questions, I *highly recommend* J. Banaji's article "Isla

RE: [PEN-L] Gernot Köhler on Mandel/Brenner

2003-11-08 Thread Devine, James
It seems to me that there are _three_ forms of surplus-value being discussed. (1) "standard" Marxian surplus-value, i.e., the excess labor done beyond that needed to cover the costs of hiring proletarians under the capitalist mode of production. (2) the surplus-product of exploited direct prod

Re: [PEN-L] Gernot Köhler on Mandel/Brenner

2003-11-08 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
In a paper he will give this Monday at the International Institute of Social History in Amsterdam, LSE Professor Patrick O'Brien argues: "With the aid of data (rarely cited by Mandel to support his representations) European economic history has been reconfigured as one of gradual and continuous ri

Re: [PEN-L] RE: [PEN-L] Gernot Köhler on Mandel/Brenner

2003-11-08 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Jim wrote: "As Doug notes, the question of how the surplus-value is utilized is crucial. Paul Baran also asked this question." Agreed. Mandel discussed this very specifically in a 1967 paper "Primitive accumulation and the industrialisation of the third world" (continuing his analysis from Marxis

No Turkish troops

2003-11-08 Thread joanna bujes
Also on Friday, Turkey decided not to deploy 10,000 troops to its southern neighbor. Washington had been pressuring Turkey for months to send what would have been the first contingent of troops from a Muslim country, but the move faced strong resistance from the Iraqi Governing Council. Secretary o

Professor Patrick O'Brien on looting

2003-11-08 Thread Michael Perelman
My mail is not coming in, so I cannot quote the text easily, but the crucial word in O'Brien's quotation is "abrupt." If all the loot from Potsoi or India had come in a single ship, then we would expect to see some sign of an abrupt change. But otherwise Doug asked about the use of the loot

Re: Professor Patrick O'Brien on looting

2003-11-08 Thread Doug Henwood
Michael Perelman wrote: Doug asked about the use of the loot. I am not an expert in this by any means, but I understand that some of the Carribean sugar lords invested in land to become gentlemen. But is assume a good deal of their squandered wealth trickled down to help the capitalists move for

Re: One sentence posts to PEN-L

2003-11-08 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
For all we know, chatting on the Net may be part > of revolutionary socializing, a Net equivalent of hanging out at > cafes and taverns. Is there anything wrong with that ? Aren't revolutionists human beings as well ? Personally I have settled many issues through socialising in cafe's and tavern

loot

2003-11-08 Thread Michael Perelman
Doug said that the disposition of the loot was important. Obviously, it is. Had it been used productively, conceivably, there would have been dividends enough that Britain could have made a Pareto optimal deal with the lootees. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University

new radio product

2003-11-08 Thread Doug Henwood
Just added to my radio archive : November 6, 2003 Richard Burkholder, directior of international polling for Gallup, on that firm's survey of Baghdad: how do Iraqis feel about the war, occupation, their future * Ivo Daalder, author of America Unbound,

the company

2003-11-08 Thread Eubulides
What a liability The company is the most important kind of organisation in the world and the best guarantee of our future prosperity, argues a new study by John Micklethwaite and Adrian Wooldridge. Lawrence Norfolk takes issue Saturday November 8, 2003 The Guardian The Company: A Short History

Re: Quick overview statistics for Holland

2003-11-08 Thread joanna bujes
Jurriaan Bendien wrote: 1. More managers While the employed labour force grew in the last nine years by 20% in the Netherlands, Dutch CBS statistics show the number of operatives classified as managers increased by 75% during the same time to 177,000 managers in total, or an average of one manage

Marx again popular in Germany: voted 10th in the top ten "most important" Germans

2003-11-08 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Marx rivals Einstein for Best German Saturday 08 November 2003, 12:06 Makka Time, 9:06 GMT Millions of German television viewers picked Karl Marx, Albert Einstein and Willy Brandt among the top 10 Best Germans of all time in a national call-in contest on Friday. More than 1300 Germans were nomina

From Michael Yates (on academia)

2003-11-08 Thread Louis Proyect
As some members of this list know, I "retired" from college teaching in 2001 at the age of 55 and after 32 years of toiling in the groves of academe. Since then, my wife and I have lived, for varying lengths of time, in Yellowstone National Park, Ford City, PA (my hometown), Manhattan, Miami Be

Re: From Michael Yates (on academia)

2003-11-08 Thread michael
I just started Michael Yates book last night. 50 pages in, it is wonderful so far. I disagree with Michael's post on academia. I don't think that the student body is nearly as bad as he makes out. Yes, they are ill-informed, but so was I at that stage in my life. They are also hungry for somet

The Greens under pressure

2003-11-08 Thread Louis Proyect
The latest issue of the Nation Magazine has an article by Micah Sifry (http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20031124&s=sifry) that is meant to reinforce tendencies within the Green Party to act as an appendage of the Democratic Party, as a kind of tail on a kite. As author of "Spoiling for a Fi

Correction

2003-11-08 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
I wrote: His [i.e. Marx's] discussion of the capitalist production process and its social relations on the assumption of unequal exchange, is intended to reveal precisely that which the observable surface appearance of the competitive market hides or inverts, and cannot reveal. Typo, That should

Quick overview statistics for Holland

2003-11-08 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
1. More managers While the employed labour force grew in the last nine years by 20% in the Netherlands, Dutch CBS statistics show the number of operatives classified as managers increased by 75% during the same time to 177,000 managers in total, or an average of one manager per 40 workers approxim