Re: economics articles

2003-06-09 Thread Barkley Rosser
thinks that he is anything other than a crook who got away with it. Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: "Michael Perelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 5:27 PM Subject: [PEN-L] economics articles > I'm just going

Re: economics articles

2003-06-09 Thread Barkley Rosser
long time. He and the IMF did nothing wrong and everything right, the transition went great, and the critics are all just a bunch of whiney ex-Sovietologists jealous and angry that they have lost their field of study. Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: "Eugene Coyle" &l

Re: economics articles

2003-06-09 Thread Barkley Rosser
I think so, but not certain. Of course the standing argument has been that the really dirty stuff was done by his partner's wife. He was just an innocent bystander, supposedly. Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: "Michael Perelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: economics articles

2003-06-09 Thread Barkley Rosser
Oh, yeah, the March issue, paper by Marceau and Smart. Sorry. The May issue arrived here this morning, the Papers and Proceedings from the meetings. Lots and lots of papers on social security, etc, reflecting the interests of the special editor, Peter Diamond. Bottom line on all that is "a

Re: Doug's book

2003-06-09 Thread Barkley Rosser
hard to come by. They get kicked around for all sorts of reasons and if one finds one, it is advisable to stick with her/him. Getting a bad editor can be hell. Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: "Doug Henwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent:

Re: Doug's book

2003-06-09 Thread Barkley Rosser
ect: Re: [PEN-L] Doug's book don't congratulate him yet, since it's not coming  out until 2004. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] &  http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine > -Original Message- > From: Barkley Rosser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTEC

Re: Iraqi oil again

2003-06-10 Thread Barkley Rosser
Title: Iraqi oil again     Iraq's oil reserves are actually the second largest in the world (after Saudi Arabia's), not third. Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: Devine, James To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 7:10 PM Subject: [PE

Re: Stiglitz on central banks

2003-06-12 Thread Barkley Rosser
Title: RE: [PEN-L] Stiglitz on central banks     Well, part of the problem right now is that indeed labor productivity is continuing to rise at a very high rate, so high that although GDP is rising at a not-unrespectable rate, employment is falling. Barkley Rosser - Original Message

Fw: from the American Economics Association

2003-06-12 Thread Barkley Rosser
Title: To: AEA Members   Guess what I heard about Shleifer being appointed JEL editor was a false rumor.  Now that this appears to be the case, I don't remember where I heard it, unless of course, this is just a ruse and he is the shoo-in, already selected. Barkley Rosser - Ori

Re: Skewering stilted language and theory: F. Crews

2003-06-12 Thread Barkley Rosser
well before pretty much all of it. Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: andie nachgeborenen To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Skewering stilted language and theory: F. Crews I've noticed a couple

Re: Skewering Stephen Schwartz and Paul Berman

2003-06-13 Thread Barkley Rosser
al Qaeda. Anyone not making clear such distinctions is presenting a muddied analysis. Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: "Louis Proyect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:11 AM Subject: [PEN-L] Skewering Stephen Schwartz and P

Re: Weapons hunters watch films

2003-06-16 Thread Barkley Rosser
at is what on this matter? "Mass graves" has increasingly become the new two word answer being used by war proponents to silence anyone daring to criticize it. Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: "Chris Burford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: Hobsbawn on the American Empire

2003-06-16 Thread Barkley Rosser
Ah yes, but then much of the gold that flowed into Spain flowed back out to another of its underlings, Holland, who eventually went for its independence, all the gold that did not end up gilding churches that is. Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: &

Shleifer

2003-06-16 Thread Barkley Rosser
I just got my latest copy of the Journal of Economic Perspectives (JEP). That is what Andrei Shleifer is editor of, not the JEL. Guess they are still looking for an editor of the JEL. Barkley Rosser

Re: Shleifer

2003-06-16 Thread Barkley Rosser
alance for social security will get better after 2029, according to them. Wowee. Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: "Forstater, Mathew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Shleifer I nomin

Re: Hobsbawn on the American Empire

2003-06-16 Thread Barkley Rosser
    I was referring to the gold that gilded churches in Spain. That in Holland largely went into the banks. Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: andie nachgeborenen To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Hobsbawn on the

Re: Hobsbawn on the American Empire

2003-06-16 Thread Barkley Rosser
    I was referring to the gold that gilded churches in Spain. That in Holland largely went into the banks. Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: andie nachgeborenen To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Hobsbawn on the

Re: Weapons hunters watch films

2003-06-17 Thread Barkley Rosser
The list of US allies with mass graves on their land is non-trivial and the list who have torture chambers is very long. Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: "Michael Perelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 11:01

Re: frontline: home | PBS

2003-06-17 Thread Barkley Rosser
But it was invented by Marx. Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: "Yoshie Furuhashi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] frontline: home | PBS > >Michael Hoover wrote: > > > &g

Re: Complexity

2003-06-17 Thread Barkley Rosser
economy would simply grow steadily, no fluctuations or cycles or anything else odd. So, the complexity must come from within the system itself. Hope this helps. Barkley Rosser http://cob.jmu.edu/rosserjb - Original Message - From: "Sabri Oncu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: &

mass graves

2003-06-17 Thread Barkley Rosser
ity. There was a certain amount of commentary along those lines on the google listing, although there was a lot more of the "these graves justify the war" sort. Barkley Rosser

Re: Complexity

2003-06-17 Thread Barkley Rosser
amics arise from nonlinear systems, but not all nonlinear systems generate complex dynamics. Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: Chris Burford To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 2:25 AM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Complexity At 2003-06-16 15:34 -0700

Re: mass graves

2003-06-17 Thread Barkley Rosser
w about other mass graves, including those in Afghanistan. In my google search the other ones I saw mentioned the most were in (respectively) Chechnya, Indonesia, and parts of Africa, but saw nothing on Afghanistan. But I am too busy to go on a general search about all mass graves anywhere and e

Re: not physical mistreatment?

2003-06-17 Thread Barkley Rosser
oners, many of whom were killed over the years, but I have yet to see any allegations of concentraton camps in Saddam's Iraq. Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: Devine, James To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 3:46 PM Subject: [PEN-L] no

Re: Susceptibility to Marx

2003-06-17 Thread Barkley Rosser
I'm not sure where it originates from, but I have heard it claimed that Marx and Engels said that distribution under socialism was to be "from each according to his ability, to each according to his work." Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: "Forstater, Mathe

Re: mass graves

2003-06-17 Thread Barkley Rosser
. What are we trying to hide there? I know what we are trying to hide in Afghanistan. Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: "Michael Perelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] mass graves &

Re: mass graves

2003-06-18 Thread Barkley Rosser
n for the war. BTW, I am beginning to think that our little camp in Cuba should be called GULAGTANAMO. Feel free to pass that one on wherever. Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: "michael perelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, Ju

Re: frontline: home | PBS

2003-06-18 Thread Barkley Rosser
trasts "communism" with "political economy." Curiously both the terms "socialism" and "communism" are in the CM, thereby apparently predating their supposed rival, "capitalism," if indeed Thackeray's usage is the earliest. Barkley Rosser

Re: Complexity

2003-06-18 Thread Barkley Rosser
ely disappeared, although many of its ideas were folded directly into the modern "small tent" complexity theory where it essentially survives. Barkley Rosser http://cob.jmu.edu/rosserjb - Original Message - From: "Sabri Oncu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Complexity

2003-06-18 Thread Barkley Rosser
e has become rather metaphysical in more recent years. Anybody who wants to see a really far out example should check out his _Chaos, Gaia, Eros_, 1994, New York: Harper Collins. But I like all his funky figures the best. Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: "Les Schaffer"

Re: Remotely destroy computers if music pirates persist, Hatch says

2003-06-19 Thread Barkley Rosser
The really bizarre twist in this tale is that this guy's dad was still unaware of google's capabilities as recently as last Christmas? This guy does not appear to have been one of the CIA's leading lights. Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: "ravi&quo

Re: Fictitious Capital website

2003-06-19 Thread Barkley Rosser
is subject, which may be why he was approached about this new list. Any comments on this matter, Michael? Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: "Louis Proyect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 10:48 AM Subject: [PEN-L] Fictit

Re: Friendly advice from the government??? to the list

2003-06-19 Thread Barkley Rosser
Michael, Not to worry..yet. This clown is from DOE, not DOD or DOJ or HOS. Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: "michael perelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 11:00 AM Subject: [PEN-L] Friendly advice fro

Re: Fictitious Capital website

2003-06-19 Thread Barkley Rosser
Supposedly the model for Lenin of state planning of the economy was the wartime planning by the Imperial German government during WW I, not quite full blown fascism, but sure as hell not socialism either. Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: "Max B. Sawicky" <[EM

Re: Complexity

2003-06-19 Thread Barkley Rosser
astrophe Theory, 3rd edn., 1992, Springer-Verlag. Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: "Sabri Oncu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Complexity > Les: > > > i agree chaos and co

Re: Complexity

2003-06-19 Thread Barkley Rosser
ornette's original papers have appeared there. The founder of it is the old chaos theorist and physicist from the Santa Fe Institute, J. Doyne Farmer. I think there is a lot of interest going on here, but the economists and the physicists need to keep in better communication along the way.

Re: RES: [PEN-L] Complexity

2003-06-19 Thread Barkley Rosser
ution, which is more skewed than just your old garden variety lognormal). Duncan Foley has some of his students at the New School looking at this latter sort of stuff, which I have a good deal of respect for. Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: "Renato Pompeu" <[EMAIL

Re: Complexity

2003-06-19 Thread Barkley Rosser
els to be very useful. 3) Do you mean"fractal" or "fractional," although these are certainly related. This stuff is still be studied and used in time series analysis, especially for long memory stuff, which also appears to be there in a lot of financial time series. Barkley Rosser --

Re: Friendly advice from the government??? to the list

2003-06-19 Thread Barkley Rosser
Great, a racist nut case in charge of DOE nuke programs! Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: Eugene Coyle To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Friendly advice from the government??? to the list Barkley

complexity

2003-06-19 Thread Barkley Rosser
quot; tailings coming out of catastrophe theory are one not so obvious reason why it remains out of bounds to most economists. Barkley Rosser

Re: Complexity

2003-06-20 Thread Barkley Rosser
s theory, the latter does completely blow rational expectations out the window due to the butterfly effect, a point that I have pounded away on in many places and venues for a long time. Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: "Michael Perelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMA

Re: Fictitious Capital website

2003-06-20 Thread Barkley Rosser
I would agree that Marx extended the term to some areas that were not in Cantillon, Smith, or some of the other locales. Certainly they tended to focus on speculative bubbles, although those remained very central to Marx as well. Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: "Mi

Re: Jurriaan Bendien on fictitious capital

2003-06-20 Thread Barkley Rosser
asion force in some cases), including what he called "psychic capital." Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: "Louis Proyect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 6:32 PM Subject: [PEN-L] Jurriaan Bendien on fictitious capi

Re: Jurriaan Bendien on fictitious capital

2003-06-20 Thread Barkley Rosser
against the euro, although most US investors who pay no attention to anything abroad don't care. Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: "Louis Proyect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Jurriaan Be

Re: market competition fails again

2003-06-20 Thread Barkley Rosser
Title: RE: [PEN-L] market competition fails again A consumption tax on luxuries, not a general consumption tax. Rather big difference there. Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: Devine, James To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 2:28 PM Subject

Re: Jurriaan on the term "capitalism"

2003-06-20 Thread Barkley Rosser
precise with the Welshman, Robert Owen, famously derided by Marx and Engels as a "utopian" socialist. Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: "Louis Proyect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:27 AM Subject: [PEN-L]

Re: Jurriaan on the term "capitalism"

2003-06-20 Thread Barkley Rosser
om M&E to the German Social Democrats. Barkley Rosser - Original Message - From: Devine, James To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Jurriaan on the term "capitalism" Barkley writes: > socialism began with

final word on complexity

2003-06-20 Thread Barkley Rosser
hen, but make no promises. So behave yourselves, you all, in the meantime. Barkley Rosser Editor, Journal of Economic Behavior and Organization Professor of Economics and Kirby L. Kramer, Jr. Professor James Madison University website: http://cob.jmu.edu/rosserjb journal email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Marx and Malleability

2000-05-17 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
end of that sad episode, just across from where all les grands fromages of the French Communist Party are buried with their exaggerated socialist realist sculptures that are not nearly as cool as what one finds at the graves of Edith Piaf, Oscar Wilde, the lamentable Jim Morrison, or even Pere Abel

Re: Marx's Daughter & Son-In-Law was, Re: Marx and Malleability

2000-05-17 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
sday, May 17, 2000 6:26 PM Subject: [PEN-L:19162] Marx's Daughter & Son-In-Law was, Re: Marx and Malleability > > >"J. Barkley Rosser, Jr." wrote: > >> I think that >> it is worth keeping in mind that his own daughter and son-in- >> law were

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Marx and Malleability

2000-05-17 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
. When Bakunin and the anarchists threatened to take control of the First International, Marx closed it, shut down the shop, took his marbles and went home and pouted. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Brad De Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Marx and Malleability

2000-05-17 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
arx's concept of the "dictatorship of the proletariat" is explicitly cited in a basically bloodthirsty set of passages that support the use of an "iron hand." Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] &

Re: Marx's Daughter & Son-In-Law was, Re: Marx andMalleability

2000-05-18 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
ath of the Bolshevik coup. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Charles Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, May 18, 2000 9:59 AM Subject: [PEN-L:19191] Marx's Daughter & Son-In-Law was, Re: Marx andMalleability > > >

Re: Re: Marx and Malleability

2000-05-18 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
at is a very surreal place in that far corner with all those overblown statues on the graves of the CPF leaders. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Charles Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, May 18, 2000 9:57 AM Subject: [PEN-L:

Re: Re: Marx and Malleability

2000-05-18 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
democracy, but his personal conduct does not suggest that he practiced it. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, May 18, 2000 1:12 PM Subject: [PEN-L:19219] Re: Marx and Malleabil

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Marx and Malleability (fwd)

2000-05-18 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
ty to each according to his needs;" all very nice, but also very utopian, especially the bit about the withering away of the state. What a pathetic joke. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dat

Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Marx and Malleability (fwd)

2000-05-18 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
conference last week. Those social democracies still look about as good as we have managed anywhere on the face of this globe so far. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Mark Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, May 18, 2000 3:0

Re: Re: withering away of the state

2000-05-18 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Jim, I did not mean that the vision was pathetic. I meant that the actual outcome in light of the vision/ (forecast) was pathetic. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, May 18,

Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Marx andMalleability (fwd)

2000-05-19 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
me of it is standard in most most modern economies (e.g. progressive income tax), and some is standard in garden variety socialist economies, (e.g. nationalized credit), and some is more utopian (e.g. abolition of the distinction between the city and the country, unless one considers suburbs to have ach

Re: : withering away of the state

2000-05-19 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
ry, certainly one of the most. But, he was not a god or a messiah or a prophet. He was a human being subject to errors, no matter how brilliant or wise he was. Even if one wishes to designate him as "error-free," clearly his writings are open to many interpretations in many places, as we

Re: Marx and Malleability (fwd)

2000-05-19 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
hould not do so today either, although the current political climate is distinctly reactionary, as near as I can tell. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Charles Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, May 18, 2000 10:31 PM Subj

Re: Re: Re: Re: : withering away of the state (fwd)

2000-05-19 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Rod, "Everything"? Really? Ponomaesh Russki yazik? Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Rod Hay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, May 19, 2000 7:11 AM Subject: [PEN-L:19273] Re: Re: Re: : withering away of the

Re: [Fwd: new viruses...] (fwd)

2000-05-19 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Dear Pen-l, I for one did not open this message. It is my understanding that some of the latest viruses have come labeled as "virus alerts" with packages attached that are supposed to help you fight it. Maybe this one is legit, but just so you all know. Barkley Rosser ---

Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MarxandMalleability (fwd)

2000-05-19 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
#x27;s "withering away of the state" in the obvious way does not impress me at all. It is simply a further sign that Lenin was out to interpret Marx in ways that would justify his own anti-democratic seizure of state power and his actions that followed. Barkley Rosser -Original

Fw: [HAYEK-L:] LIT: R Epstein on "Hayekian Socialism" (corrected)

2000-05-19 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
of Hayek's ultra-pro-capitalist stance, :-)). Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: List Host <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, May 19, 2000 12:24 PM Subject: [HAYEK-L:] LIT: R Epstein on "Hayekian Socialism" (corr

Re: Re: : withering away of the state

2000-05-19 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Doug, It is possible to say that the USSR was a "model of socialism" (Carrol Cox's complaint, nothwithstanding) while nevertheless maintaining that it was/is not THE "model for socialism." Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Doug Henwood <[EMAIL PROT

Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:MarxandMalleability (fwd)

2000-05-19 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
withering away of the state," and other related matters. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, May 19, 2000 12:53 PM Subject: [PEN-L:19302] Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Marx and Malleability

2000-05-19 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
l this nonsense. I don't have a more general explanation of this sort of stuff, but there is a huge literature out there purporting to provide all kinds of explanations. In any case, the abstract painters were originally pro-Soviet and only got turned off by Stalin's suppression. B

Re: Re: arxandMalleability (fwd)

2000-05-21 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
r had not yet started. Russia was still in World War I, but about to get out. We're talking December, 1917, to be precise. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, May 19, 2000 4

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:Re:MarxandMalleability (fwd)

2000-05-21 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
grounds that they were anti-socialist or anti-revolutionary. They were just not Lenin's Bolsheviks. That's all. The issue is that Lenin used Marx's writings in a way that it is not at all clear Marx would have supported, not for the first time in the case of what would become th

Re: Re: Marx and Malleability

2000-05-21 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Red and US armies (the latter withdrawing westward later), only to be interrupted again when Klement Gottwald seized power in 1948. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Charles Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, May 19, 2000 5:2

from Marx to Brezhnev

2000-05-21 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
hat Gorbachev tried to achieve democratic socialism. Clearly, he failed. Barkley Rosser

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:Re:Re:MarxandMalleability (fwd)

2000-05-22 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
ect election of the leaders of the Paris Commune. The post-revolutionary election of December 1917 cannot be called "bourgeois constitutionalism." This fit Marx's prescription. But Lenin wanted power and he took it. Much that few approve of followed from his assertion of anti-de

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re:Re:Re:Re:MarxandMalleability (fwd)

2000-05-22 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
r being interested in what has happened and is happening right now in Russia than you do. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, May 22, 2000 2:46 PM Subject: [PEN-L:194

Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re:Re:Re:Re:MarxandMalleability (fwd)

2000-05-22 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Mark, Is it not also true that Marx had a stroke in the early 1870s that slowed him down greatly after that (and also did not exactly uplift his spirits)? I stand to be corrected on this, if not correct, as on so many other matters. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Mark

Re: Re: Withering away of the state

2000-05-23 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Rod, I would prefer the kind of socialism that you describe. But, like it or not, I would still maintain that what we saw in the USSR was a form of socialism. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Rod Hay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Political Constraints, was Re: :Re:Re:MarxandMalleability (fwd)

2000-05-23 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
ral Secretary of the CPSU by the Central Committee, although generally it was the vote of the Politburo that determined this outcome, and neither they nor the Central Committee were elected in any way where there was any chance of an opposition being elected, or even running). Barkley Rosser Barkle

Re: Political Constraints,was Re: :Re:Re:MarxandMalleability (fwd)

2000-05-23 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
re were no elections. I think you are rather too quick to dismiss the importance of elections. At a minimum, I think you should admit that you are not in agreement with Marx, who clearly supported elections for the leaders of the Paris Commune. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- Fr

Re: Re: from Marx to Brezhnev

2000-05-23 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
front. I find it particularly depressing to read that Putin has just shut down Russia's admittedly ineffective environmental agency. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Charles Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, May

Re: Re: Political Constraints,was Re::Re:Re:MarxandMalleability (fwd)

2000-05-23 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
ou seriously wish to claim that Marx would have described the Stalinist regime as "democratic" or have approved of it? Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 3:

Re: Re: Re: from Marx to Brezhnev (fwd)

2000-05-24 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Mine, So, which was the Brezhnev era: "Kremlin bureaucracy," "socialist democracy," both or neither? You are becoming incoherent. Your response to Rod Hay suggesting that you are the leading expert on other peoples' knowledge of Marx is ludicrous. Barkley Ros

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: recent economic trends

2001-02-05 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
in certain micro markets, e.g. the work of Jean-Paul Chavas and Matthew Holt on milk prices that track the almost-14 year cattle cycle (Jean-Paul Chavas and Matthew T. Holt, "Market Instability and Nonlinear Dynamics," American Journal of Agricultural Economics, 1993, vol. 75, pp. 113-

Re: de Soto

2001-02-05 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
What I read in de Soto's blurb seemed to emphasize the importance of "paper," as in paper that confers property rights that can then be traded in secondary markets. Oh goody. So the poor can be sandbagged by speculative bubbles in hotass financial markets. Whoopdy-doo!

Re: Re: RE: Hernando de Soto

2001-02-05 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
It should be remembered that one reason why land reform was easier to impose in both Taiwan and South Korea was that many of the landlords were either Japanese or had been very close to the by-then-deposed Japanese overlords. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Jim Devine <[EM

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: de Soto

2001-02-05 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
e placed in the political spectrum is a rather murky business). Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sunday, February 04, 2001 5:02 PM Subject: [PEN-L:7751] Re: Re: Re: Re: de Soto >I wrote: > H

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: de Soto

2001-02-06 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
, then that will make them pretty darn famous. He was much more famous then as an economist than he is today, just as he was more famous then for his anti-Chinese writings than he is today. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Margaret Coleman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PRO

Re: Re: Re: Re: Korean news

2001-02-06 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Peter, Well, now John Taylor has been appointed Undersecretary of Treasury for International Economic Affairs. He is reportedly a compromise candidate between the moderate and right wings. He is also no fool. We shall see. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Peter Dorman

Re: Re: RE: Critique of mathematical economics

2001-02-06 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
position of the post-autistic group and also Mirowski, although sometimes it does not seem like it). Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 12:33 PM Subject: [PE

Re: John Taylor

2001-02-06 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
w editor for the AER, so a very influential guy, for better or for worse. Frankly, they could easily have done a lot worse than pick him. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, February

Re: Re: anecdotes

2001-02-06 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Yes, in the mid-60s, Kuhn and Hempel were both at Princeton. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Justin Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 2:00 PM Subject: [PEN-L:7812] Re: anecdotes >Yes, but

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: chinese exclusion acts/query on Stanley Engerman

2001-02-06 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
avery. The only non-war alternative would have been to have the federal government pay the slaveholders to free their slaves. Barkley Rosser Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, February

Re: RE: Re: RE: Critique of mathematical economics

2001-02-07 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
supply some references offlist to anybody who is curious about this. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Forstater, Mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 7:43 PM Subject: [PEN-L:7830] RE: Re: RE: Critique of

Re: Re: RE: Critique of mathematical economics

2001-02-07 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
arguments raised by Hayek.  Their papers, and also one by Cockshott and Cottrell, appeared in Review of Political Economy several years ago. Barkley Rosser -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date:

Re: RE: chinese exclusion acts/query on Stanley Engerman

2001-02-07 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Mat, Which uses did he apologize for? I doubt he apologized for the argument that slavery was not just going to quietly disappear on its own without some strong external pressure, the argument of the neo-Old South romantics. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Forstater, Mathew

Re: RE: Re: RE: Critique of mathematical economics

2001-02-07 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
ones) can be overexploited to the point of collapse. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Forstater, Mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 11:11 AM Subject: [PEN-L:7845] RE: Re: RE: Critique of mathematic

Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: Critique of mathematical economics

2001-02-07 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
ads wherever. BTW, E. Roy Weintraub has been writing and publishing (mostly in odd places and book collections) analyses of Debreu as a Bourbakist and documents his close links with the leaders of that school in France. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Paul Phillips <[EMAIL

Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: de Soto

2001-02-07 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
as some sort of a leftist, more or less. Today I know of at least one libertarian Austrian who is a big fan of George's. He is Fred Foldvary who labels his own views as "geonomic" or something like that (not "geomantic" I know, but the "geo" is in there). B

Walrasian socialism

2001-02-07 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
are only the latest round. BTW, the Austrians are very aware of these links and view the tendency of Walras-Arrow-Debreu GE theory to be potentially open to Barone style socialist central planning arguments to be an argument against that theory. Barkley Rosser

Re: Socialist calculation debate

2001-02-08 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
panels are a way of trying to get around the decentralized and tacit information problem. But, a lot of people do not think that this solution will work very well, or as well as prices in impersonal markets. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Peter Dorman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&

Re: Henry George

2001-02-08 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
One does not have a book be the biggest seller in its category in a whole century unless it is written well. Indeed, parts of _Progress and Poverty_ are quite stirring and dramatic, definitely far better written than most economics books, which are, well, not. Barkley Rosser -Original

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