OK, the Sherman Act can't win. If the Court blocked trustbusting because of
the old Commerce Clause jurisprudence, the ACt was ineffective. If the Court
authorized the bustup of a trust, it didn't make a difference. In fact,
though, your vague talk about the companies beiong in thesame hands
ern equal protection jurisprudence.
And to bring this back to Nader. I would suggest that a third
party campaign should be measured by the kind of organizing
it forces upon those involved in the campaign. And above all
else, the campaign must force whoever supports it to take
a strong position
In a message dated 6/5/00 7:54:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Mark,
I would never put blacks, Indians, women and hispanics in the same
equation with bankers. they are the victim, not the oppresssor..
Mine
Mine, you really are irony proof. Go syeep yourself
I don't talk about US domestic matters much because I don't know them much.
But Nader is more than just that. He launched 'consumerism' in other
countries too, so I'm interested. I'm old enough to remember the hoo-hah
about vehicle safety in the 1960s and the susbsequent rise of consumer
groups
In a message dated 00-06-03 21:11:11 EDT, you write:
The main point is that it wasn't an $85 per month furnished room.
be bought. If he stayed silent on no-fault, it was not because he was
bribed,
but because there are serious consumerist arguments against it. There are,
The problem
of self-seeking, privatising solipsism which boils great social/historical
issues down to what's in it for me qua passive selfish consumer. What really
mattered then and now for eg is not car safety but less cars and more public
transport. What Nader did is help legitimise the care and ensures its
In a nutshell, Nader is attempting to connect the dotted lines between the
social movements and trade unions of today with the anti-monopoly and
populist traditions of the pre-1917 left. This is the left of small
shopkeepers, farmers and "citizens" who need to restore
ED] writes:
Nader appearance in *Homes and Gardens* is indication of limits of his
politics. His anti-corporate theme reminds of not-so-Progressive Era
advocacy of using gov't to prevent economy from imposing hardships on
individuals unable to help themselves and to promote social reforms that
This is the first in a series of 3 posts on the Nader campaign. In it I
will take a close look at the career and political philosophy of Ralph
Nader, drawing from David Sanford's "Me and Ralph" published in 1976,
various websites, and newspaper articles on Lexis-Nexis. The goal is to
a $100,000 home is pretty
modest. (and that is Canadian dollars!)
Rod
Louis Proyect wrote:
This is the first in a series of 3 posts on the Nader campaign. In it I
will take a close look at the career and political philosophy of Ralph
Nader, drawing from David Sanford's "Me and Ralph"
I don't know about Washington, but where I live a $100,000 home is pretty
modest. (and that is Canadian dollars!)
Rod
$100,000 went further 25 years ago.
Louis Proyect
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In a message dated 6/3/00 4:31:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
I don't know about Washington, but where I live a $100,000 home is pretty
modest. (and that is Canadian dollars!)
Rod
$100,000 went further 25 years ago.
Yes, but not that much further. My parents,
in) that he modeled the organization on
the small businesses he ran in Utah, where he 'made everything go', even
when it took big risks. We fired him in 1990 after he went totally
overboard on certain financial matters. But with Nader you won't even get a
board that has the gumption to challenge him. He
in 1990 after he went totally
overboard on certain financial matters. But with Nader you won't even get a
board that has the gumption to challenge him. He is just too powerful for
that. This, IMHO, sends the wrong kinds of signals to the left when the
Greens nominate a guy like him. After
I am just finishing off an article on "Ralph Nader and the
Legacy of Revolt: Populism, Socialism, and Progressivism."
It takes a very different view from Louis Proyect's cobbling
of sour grapes and rightist propaganda, although it is critical
of Nader. My paper attempts to relate Nade
supporting candidates, such as Ralph Nader, who will take a stand based
on what is right, not what big money dictates. Supporting those who support
us is our political agenda, not just a slogan.
Louis Proyect
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: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 1:39 PM
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Subject:WILL BILLIONAIRES FIGHT INEQUALITY? by Ralph Nader fwd (fwd)
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Subject: WILL BILLIONAIRES FIGHT
Testimony of Ralph Nader
On the International Monetary Fund
Before the General Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee,
House of Representatives Committee on Banking and Financial Services
April 21, 1998
Mr. Chairman and members of the House Banking Oversight Subcommittee,
thank you
Ralph Nader Announces "Appraising Microsoft" Conference
October 6, 1997 Contacts: Caroline Jonah or John Richard at (202)387-8030
Consumer Advocate Ralph Nader announced today plans for the "Appraising
Microsoft and Its Global Strategies" Conference to be held o
AM Virginia Brodine (Central Washington Peace Environmental
Council)
"The Day Before Yesterday. The Committees for Nuclear and
Environmental Information"
10:55 AM Coffee/tea break
11:15 AM Ralph Nader: Keynote address
11:55 AM Panel Discussion (Moderator:
o achieving
class solidarity and a successful anti-corporate movement.
Alternatively, you could say that class solidarity subsumes the
concept of racial equality. A movement premised on the former
is able to pursue the latter with its back covered, so to speak.
It was the failure of Nader to make thos
On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Max B. Sawicky wrote:
This is the trap of "class not race" anti-corporate messages. The same
thing happened in the NAFTA debate where anti-immigrant messages easily
penetrated the movement for fair trade. (Significantly, Nader refused to
condemn Prop 1
NADER, Prop 209 AND PROGRESSIVES IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY
In Nader's run for President, one of the most criticized aspects of his
Presidential campaign (other than his refusal
and right sentiments.
The pro-209 Naderites could be taken as testimony to contradict your
thesis -- that the class feeling was sufficiently strong to overcome
Nader's "liberal" image on race. As silent as Nader might have been
on race, it is hard to imagine that voters did not ass
Raising the minimum wage (also "legitimizes the present
system"), defeating the racist Prop 209, preventing further destruction of
public space and public lands (a variety of different initiatives in
different regards), etc., are all "reformist" issues the shape the terrain
on which we do
A dialogue between Blair Sandler and Shawgi Tell runs as follows:
Raising the minimum wage (also "legitimizes the present
system"), defeating the racist Prop 209, preventing further destruction of
public space and public lands (a variety of different initiatives in
different regards), etc.,
On Wed, 6 Nov 1996, Blair Sandler wrote:
Raising the minimum wage (also "legitimizes the present
system"), defeating the racist Prop 209, preventing further destruction of
public space and public lands (a variety of different initiatives in
different regards), etc., are all "reformist"
On Mon, 4 Nov 1996, Blair Sandler wrote:
Merhaba Fikret, is it possible to know how you think Nader will change
the present system of the financial oligarchy which effectively
marginalizes
and ghettoizes the broad masses of the people? Or is this not his aim?
Shawgi Tell
Shawgi: you
On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Blair Sandler wrote:
On Mon, 4 Nov 1996, Blair Sandler wrote:
Merhaba Fikret, is it possible to know how you think Nader will change
the present system of the financial oligarchy which effectively
marginalizes
and ghettoizes the broad masses of the people
On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Blair Sandler wrote:
Briefly (and crudely): there are no conditions which would allow Nader to
be elected. Well, maybe there are some but I'd have a hard time conceiving
of them and it's not clear why I would take the time to do so. :)
I usually don't vote
sorry about this, bill...
There's a move afoot on the West Coast, in Hawaii, and in Alaska
for people to vote "Nader later." The polls here are open quite
late, so that the damn networks will be announcing the winner of
the presidential election _before_ the polls closed. (The
Hi Everybody!
Tomorrow is the day. Don't forget to vote for our guy, N A D E R.
Fikret
+Fikret Ceyhun voice: (701)777-3348
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Merhaba Fikret, is it possible to know how you think Nader will change
the present system of the financial oligarchy which effectively marginalizes
Merhaba Fikret, is it possible to know how you think Nader will change
the present system of the financial oligarchy which effectively marginalizes
and ghettoizes the broad masses of the people? Or is this not his aim?
Shawgi Tell
Shawgi: you didn't ask me, but I don't think Nader
On Mon, 4 Nov 1996, Blair Sandler wrote:
Merhaba Fikret, is it possible to know how you think Nader will change
the present system of the financial oligarchy which effectively marginalizes
and ghettoizes the broad masses of the people? Or is this not his aim?
Shawgi Tell
Shawgi
Dear Comrades,
I am pitching for Ralph Nader. I would like to present arguments
for Nader and against Clinton/Dole for the upcoming presidential election
on Novermber 5th. I am hoping to convert some of you who have not decided
whether to vote for Clinton or stay home, and hopefully
you were responding to, not Nathan) was
that Nader hadn't taken a position on stopping racial discrimination,
either through affirmative action or some other approach. This is exactly
the kind of area where Clinton needs to be kicked some more, and it's
really disappointing to see that the only
butt. Nader doesn't have that excuse; he has no power
to protect. The only reason Nader didn't take a stand on this issue is
because he's another White Boy on the Left who doesn't take racism
seriously.
I can't speak for Nader; his refusal to talk about "gonadal politics," as
he calls i
On Tue, 23 Jul 1996, Michael Perelman wrote:
I have trouble accepting Anders's criticisim of Nader. Nader has always
limited himself to consumer and environemntal type issues. He has never
shown much interest in foreign affairs or questions, such as gays in the
military. Neither has
n
to more sustained repression, as after World Wars I and II in the U.S.
and the Cointelpro, but that's a risk we have to take.)
* As Alexander Cockburn suggests, getting Nader into the
Presidential debates would be extremely productive, giving people
not just some education about the existence of a
Doug wrote,
I can't speak for Nader; his refusal to talk about "gonadal politics," as
he calls it, is also unfortunate. But I do think it's a bit of a leap to
conclude that Nader is "another White Boy on the Left who doesn't take
racism seriously." You could also argue tha
like Californians for Justice, which I
think have a much better chance of affecting the debate over the long run.
2) If the point of a third party is to move the debate, then it doesn't
make any sense to vote for Nader. The last thing our side needs to have
is a "Perot" who deals
At 1:26 PM 7/24/96, R. Anders Schneiderman wrote:
The issue of racism is one of the central problems facing our country
today. It's also one of the central issues the Right is using to divide our
side. If Nader is going to duck it, then I don't see how anyone who
believes in social justice can
assumption that "because they don't have their shit together
now, they never will." If you accept the latter assumption, why
not simply give up altogether.
Politics is a dynamic process, involving among other
things, learning. Nader has learned a lot over the years; he's one of
th
own on him until he backed off and settled on
"mend it but don't end it" as his position. In short, Clinton did what
you'd expect him to do based on purely pragmatic political calculations.
Nader didn't have to worry about pragmatic political calculations. He knew
he had absolutely
I have trouble accepting Anders's criticisim of Nader. Nader has always
limited himself to consumer and environemntal type issues. He has never
shown much interest in foreign affairs or questions, such as gays in the
military. Neither has David Brower, but both have done wonderful work
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