Re: Evidence? (was Re: irrrational (feminist) calculations)

2000-08-01 Thread Carrol Cox
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > > Speaking of evidence, can Ricardo offer evidence for his insinuation > that studies that have found "for every male diagnosed as suffering > from depression, two to six times as many females are so diagnosed" > are inaccurate? What's his ground for thinking so? Is

Re: Evidence? (was Re: irrrational (feminist) calculations)

2000-08-01 Thread JKSCHW
For good criticism of Gilligan see also a fine book called the Mismeasure of Woman, I forget the author, and Susan Faludi's first book. --jks In a message dated Tue, 1 Aug 2000 5:11:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Yoshie Furuhashi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: << Ricardo wrote: > > Maybe I was to

Re: Evidence? (was Re: irrrational (feminist) calculations)

2000-08-01 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Rob wrote: >G'day Carrol ( yeah, I know you don't read my posts, but that doesn't mean >one of us can't be civil, eh?) > > >The disproportion in rates of clinical depression between men and women is > >one of those facts so widely known and accepted that like the fact that > >Lansing is the capit

Re: Evidence? (was Re: irrrational (feminist) calculations)

2000-08-01 Thread Timework Web
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote, > Actually, nearly all feminists -- including even Carol Gilligan -- > have written about how sexism victimizes men as well, not just women > (if you haven't noticed the prevalence of this argument in feminism, > you haven't read many feminists). And this feminist recogni

Re: Re: Evidence? (was Re: irrrational (feminist) calculations)

2000-08-01 Thread Jim Devine
At 04:29 PM 08/01/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > > > > > Speaking of evidence, can Ricardo offer evidence for his insinuation > > that studies that have found "for every male diagnosed as suffering > > from depression, two to six times as many females are so diagnosed" > > are i

Re: Re: Evidence? (was Re: irrrational (feminist) calculations)

2000-08-01 Thread Jim Devine
At 06:36 PM 08/01/2000 -0400, you wrote: >For good criticism of Gilligan see also a fine book called the Mismeasure >of Woman, I forget the author Carol Tavris. It's a good book (though it leaves important stuff out). Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~JDevine

Re: Re: Evidence? (was Re: irrrational (feminist)calculations)

2000-08-01 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Carrol ( yeah, I know you don't read my posts, but that doesn't mean one of us can't be civil, eh?) >The disproportion in rates of clinical depression between men and women is >one of those facts so widely known and accepted that like the fact that >Lansing is the capital of Michigan it doe

Re: Re: Evidence? (was Re: irrrational (feminist)calculations)

2000-08-02 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Yoshie, >Yes (and Carrol did so in his post), Oh, I realise Carrol added the required reservations; I just wasn't sure where he was going with 'em. >>The patronising and stifling insult sustained by women here seems the pick >>of two real stinkers ... > >What do you exactly refer to in th

Re: Re: Evidence? (was Re: irrrational (feminist) calculations)

2000-08-02 Thread Carrol Cox
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > > sound reasons to be depressed) This reduces the whole discussion to nonsense. The *whole* point about clinical depression is that one is "depressed" WITHOUT any reasons, sound or otherwise, for being depressed. (We are not dealing here with the "ultimate" causes, w

Re: Re: Re: Evidence? (was Re: irrrational (feminist) calculations)

2000-08-02 Thread Rob Schaap
>Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > >> > sound reasons to be depressed) > >This reduces the whole discussion to nonsense. The *whole* point about >clinical >depression is that one is "depressed" WITHOUT any reasons, sound or otherwise, >for being depressed. (We are not dealing here with the "ultimate" cau

Re: Re: Re: Evidence? (was Re: irrrational (feminist) calculations)

2000-08-03 Thread Doyle Saylor
Greetings Economists, I will reach into Carrol's comments on depression to make a point about rationality which leaps out at me from Carrol's comments, Carrol, ..."Most of us, when "depressed," are unable to do sustained reading (of any texts). I own a stationary bicycle, and while suffering