Re: Law as aggressive protector of private property.

2001-03-30 Thread Michael Perelman
Charles, it is worse than that. He has been breeding and collecting his own seeds for decades, developing his own distinctive strains. He sued Monsanto for contaminating his crops with the pollen. Charles Brown wrote: Law as aggressive protector of private property. Thanks to Les S. for

Re: Law as aggressive protector of private property

2001-03-30 Thread Timework Web
Let me get this straight. Monsanto's private property is intellectual property, essentially a legal fiction on par with M.'s corporate personhood. The farmer's land is mere _real_ property, essentially also a legal fiction but having a common law history going back many, many centuries. So the

Re: Re: Law as aggressive protector of private property

2001-03-30 Thread Justin Schwartz
Intellectual property is old, too: Patents are in the constitution, and were known (I am sure) for centuries before that. Property is a "fiction," but it has a social objectivity that makes it quite real. --jks Let me get this straight. Monsanto's private property is intellectual property,

Re: Re: Law as aggressive protector of private property

2001-03-30 Thread Jim Devine
At 08:25 AM 3/30/01 -0800, you wrote: Let me get this straight. Monsanto's private property is intellectual property, essentially a legal fiction on par with M.'s corporate personhood. The farmer's land is mere _real_ property, essentially also a legal fiction but having a common law history

Re: Law as aggressive protector of private property.

2001-03-30 Thread Andrew Hagen
The court held that regardless of whether he planted them deliberately or if he merely found them growing on his farm, it was his responsibility to destroy the seeds and seedlings or pay royalties. I'm not familiar with Canadian patent law, but in general those bodies of law that, grouped

RE: Law as aggressive protector of private property

2001-03-30 Thread David Shemano
Charles Brown wrote: - People owning stuff is personal property. The aim is not to abolish personal property. Individual consumer goods would be personally owned. Private property has the technical connotation of ownership of the social productive means that are necessary to

Re: Law as aggressive protector of private property

2001-03-30 Thread Andrew Hagen
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:48:02 -0500, Charles Brown wrote: Private property has the technical connotation of ownership of the social productive means that are necessary to production in a society with an enormous division of labor or soicalization and specialization of the production process. The

Re: Re: Law as aggressive protector of private property

2001-03-30 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
- From: "Andrew Hagen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 12:40 PM Subject: [PEN-L:9826] Re: Law as aggressive protector of private property On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:07:50 -0500, Charles Brown wrote: Private property is the legal crystalizatio

RE: Law as aggressive protector of private property

2001-03-30 Thread David Shemano
Charles Brown wrote: -- There is enormous division of labor and specialization in the historical socialist states. It is pretty much the same level of divsion of labor as the capitalist state it takes over from. Miners only mine. They don't make steel , by and large. Doctors

Re: RE: Law as aggressive protector of private property

2001-03-30 Thread Jim Devine
David S. wrote: Maybe I am just being dense. You defined "private property" (which you seek to abolish) in your previous post as "Private property has the technical connotation of ownership of the social productive means that are necessary to production in a society with an enormous division of

Re: Law as aggressive protector of private property

2001-03-30 Thread Andrew Hagen
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:07:50 -0500, Charles Brown wrote: Private property is the legal crystalization of class exploitative relations of production. So, it is the numero uno effective principle of bourgeois law and jurisprudence , today's exploitative form of productive relations. The